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View Poll Results: Which one is the best low budget high performance tire?
Kumho ECSTA Supra 712 21 16.15%
Falken Azenis Sport 26 20.00%
Sumitomo HTRZ 7 5.38%
Dunlop SP Sport FM901 1 0.77%
Yokohama AVS ES100 19 14.62%
Dunlop SP Sport 9000 6 4.62%
Kumho Ecsta MX 11 8.46%
Bridgestone Potenza RE92 2 1.54%
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position (not really low budget) 26 20.00%
Toyo Proxes T1-S (not really low budget) 11 8.46%
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Old 02-22-2003, 11:24 AM   #1
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Default The time has come!!! For me to find the succesor to RE92s. Need input.

My goal is to get inexpensive high performance tire that will last me a long time. Sounded crazy at first, but here is what I came up with (remember, poor college student eating Ramen Noodles during the week, and Chunky soup on weekends) and size is 205-55-16


Kumho ECSTA Supra 712 (my original first choice)
price $72
treadwear 340 AA A
Rating V or Z
Notes The shop where I am buying them from (ILP Performance) said that they were having problems with it with side wall ripping (I can't imagine how often though)
Also on the Tirerack.com, I have read review that are VERY contradicting, some people love it, some people said that they were the worst tires they bought

Falken Azenis Sport
price $84
treadwear 200 A A
Notes heard some stories about quite short tread life

Sumitomo HTRZ
price $73
treadwear 160 A A
Rating W
Notes This is the tire that the guy in the shop recommended to me as a alternative to Kumho 712s. But such a big difference in treadwear rating. Tirerack.com reviews also confirmed the very low tire life.

Dunlop SP Sport FM901
price $71
treadwear 200 A A
rating V
Notes Have not heard much about them.

Yokohama AVS ES100
price $79
treadwear 280 AA A
rating W
Notes Also have not heard anything about them, Although the stats and rating on the Tirerack.com look promising.

Dunlop SP Sport 9000
price $85
treadwear 280 A A
rating V
Notes haven't heard anything about them, though look very good indeed

Kumho Ecsta MX
price $93
treadwear 220 AA A
rating Y
Notes Getting closer to the outside of the Raman Noodle-eating college student's budget

Bridgestone Potenza RE92
price $119
treadwear 160 A A
rating V
Notes

Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position
price $135
treadwear 220 AA A
rating W
Notes They are here just to compare I would not have money to get them

Toyo Proxes T1-S
price $129.15
treadwear 280 AA A
rating W
Notes They are here just to compare I would not have money to get them

I put a lot of miles on my car, last year ~ 35,000 some of them from long 300 mile highway drives. Any input would be appreciated.

Maybe if we have a lot of constructive ideas we could put this thread in the FAQ as a low budget man's tire
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Old 02-22-2003, 12:21 PM   #2
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Come on guys, I am looking for some constructive input, so if you gonna vote, please reply and say why. Yes I know that SO3's are the best here but like I said I only put them here just to compair - they are too dam expencive.
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Old 02-22-2003, 12:35 PM   #3
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there's nothing wrong with buying a set of 4 almost-new RE92's through the private classifieds for $100 or less, and eating out a few times with the money you saved...
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Old 02-22-2003, 12:52 PM   #4
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I ran Dunlop 9000s for about 35K miles on two different cars, and liked them so much that I bought another set. They're a civilised max performance tire: Quiet, fantastic in the rain with very good to excellent dry grip capabilities. What they give up to SO3s and the like, you won't notice in street driving.

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Old 02-22-2003, 01:21 PM   #5
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My friend has had 712's on his Si (not a WRX, but still the same tire...15" wheels though). Hes driven from San Diego to Houston a couple times and Auto-X's with them. He's maybe had them on for...a yearish? I am not sure how much mileage he's put on them, but they offer really good traction at a really good price. He loves them, and he's pretty picky. They also have very little tire squeal in quick corners and not very much highway noise.
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Old 02-22-2003, 01:25 PM   #6
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Any one had Kumho 712s ripping the sidewalls on them, like that guy in ILP shop said?
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:36 PM   #7
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To me, the tires the most important handling parts on your car, as they are the only contact between the vehicle and the road. You'll never see the full handling potential of a WRX with cheap tires like Kuhmo 712's. Sure, they're okay for commuting to work, but they don't hold a candle to great tires like the SO-3's or T1-S's when it come to handling and braking.

I would suggest you spend a little more money and get one of those two tires. (SO-3 or T1-S).
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:46 PM   #8
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i have personally seen the kumho sidewall problem on my brothers car. Because of that i will never buy kumho's

i love Yokohama's and have the avs sports on my truck.........love evyerthing about them. the best handling tires ive ever had. and will buy the avs ES1000 for the subie probably this summer
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:49 PM   #9
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productive input? here you go. you live in PA? and you are a poor college student (man i remember those days)? people can recommend S03's all they want (damned good summer only tire) BUT i'd say that in your situation a good all season tire is more in order. sumimoto htr+ (lasts way longer than sumi htrz) or something like that. it doesn't sound like you have the cash to run max performance summer tires and winter tires in the winter. you might 'not be able to fully recognize your cars potential' but you need a reality-based solution. plus, most of us can't fully recognize a good car's handling potential as our skills are more of a limiting factor. instruction and track time will make you a better driver than S03's or T1-S's will. good luck. there is a light at the end of the tunnel (well if the economy picks up and you can find a good job to put that education to use!) good luck.

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Old 02-22-2003, 02:51 PM   #10
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Tire choice, like any upgrade is a function of what you want the car to do. If you want a summer only, grippy as hell tire on the cheap the Azenis are nearly impossible to beat. I can't really report on treadware for street use, mine are mostly auto-x. I did leave them on in the summer and put around 3K on them. I fully expect them to last me most of this season as well. I wouldn't consider them an "every-day" tire but that sort of thing varies from person to person. I use the Sumitomo HTR+ for the winter and they are a good all-season tire for around $100 a [piece in 225/45/17.

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Old 02-22-2003, 03:13 PM   #11
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balyndraks, thanks for input. I actually have decent all season Roadmaster tires on 15" steelies that I got real cheap. I drive on them now, in the winter. But the winter soon will be over, and my RE92s are cpmpletely bald. Partly that why I spend all winter on my Roadmasters.
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Old 02-22-2003, 03:31 PM   #12
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productive input? here you go. you live in PA? and you are a poor college student (man i remember those days)? people can recommend S03's all they want (damned good summer only tire) BUT i'd say that in your situation a good all season tire is more in order. sumimoto htr+ (lasts way longer than sumi htrz) or something like that. it doesn't sound like you have the cash to run max performance summer tires and winter tires in the winter. you might 'not be able to fully recognize your cars potential' but you need a reality-based solution. plus, most of us can't fully recognize a good car's handling potential as our skills are more of a limiting factor. instruction and track time will make you a better driver than S03's or T1-S's will. good luck. there is a light at the end of the tunnel (well if the economy picks up and you can find a good job to put that education to use!) good luck.

jay

I agree here... I use HTR+ and they have great all year round performance. I would get a good all-season tire if I were in your shoes.
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Old 02-22-2003, 04:17 PM   #13
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I agree here... I use HTR+ and they have great all year round performance. I would get a good all-season tire if I were in your shoes.
thnks for input, but like I said I already have H-rated all-season tires that I use for the winter.
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Old 02-22-2003, 05:32 PM   #14
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I curently drive a Supercharged BMW 318ti (about 200hp). I currently have the Yokohama AVS100's (215 45 17") on my car. They are a very good tire for the money. They have decent grip in the dry and very good grip in the rain, are relatively quiet and they seem to be wearing pretty well for a high po tire.

Prior to the Yoko's I had the original Bridgestone RE730's. They also had decent grip in the dry, good grip in the wet when new, they held up pretty well (about 28,000 miles) but they were quite noisy. By the way this included two days at Watkins Glenn.

Prior to these I had two set of Dunlop SP8000's.

The Yok's are a very good tire for the money. My bigggest complaint is they seem to cause my car to push (understeer) quite a bit more than the Bridgestone RE730's.

Hope this helps
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Old 02-22-2003, 08:33 PM   #15
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well, if you already have winter covered that certainly makes your tire choices a lot better. no one has mentioned the falken grb fk451's. they are good summer only tires without being the near race tire that the azenis sport is. not very expensive either. treadwear rating is i think 280 (azenis sport 200). just thought i'd throw another tire out there for discussion. i'm putting those on my car next.

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instruction and track time will make you a better driver than S03's or T1-S's will
Totally agree with you there. I guess that's why I was thinking "max performance", because I'm spoiled and have had the privilege of running many track days. Maybe I think too much about performance, rather than performance vs what you can afford, but I still say that if you can afford it, get the best tires possible. The SO-3's and T1-S's are a great street tire that can hold up pretty well to track use.
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Old 02-22-2003, 09:03 PM   #17
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honestly, the tires are the weak link on our cars... read my review on the RE-92's... they dont hold up well on the track. however, this doesnt mean you need to get so-3's to do well... but great driving ability will not compensate for tires that lose traction taking a turn w/ the correct speed and line. my friend has yokohama avs's and took out a heavily modded s2k w/ slicks, after the s2k passed us... that was driver skill, however it would not have been possible with RE-92's.

i would probably go with Azenis... best budget choice for street and track. the AVS's on my friends car were torn up after 2 streets of willow events and normal driving in between... and my AVS's were worn out QUICK!! It had some miles left on it, but then one blew out, 2 had a slow leak, and 1 was all corroded on the interior lining.
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Old 02-22-2003, 10:31 PM   #18
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Osgood30,

If you want a summer tire with decent ride, good performance & reasonable life span, the Yoko ES100 is hard to beat.

The Azenis sticks like glue & corners great, but they'll likely last you just a shade over 10K miles, and are pretty noisy.

If you want an all-season option in the same price range, the Sumitomo HTR+ is a solid choice. I like the Dunlop SP5000 a bit better, but it's about $20/tire more expensive.

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Old 02-23-2003, 12:13 AM   #19
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If you can stretch for the S-03s, great, but the next best is the SP9000 IMHO (which is what I voted for). Don't skimp too much on rubber - they are all you've got!!

Rather than all out grip, you want great controlability in poor/breakaway conditions - which is a strength of that tyre (unless you are overdoing it). The S-03 is better, but the SP9000 looks like value...

Best of luck with whatever you go for.
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Old 02-23-2003, 12:18 AM   #20
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Don't skimp on tires. Skimp on the BOV's, the body kits, the shift knobs, the stereo stuff, the CAI, etc but don't skimp on tires. Buy the very best you can. They not only help you turn, they help you stop. I can personally vouch for both the S03 and T1S, top notch hi po tire -wet or dry. I'm w/ the T1S now as it is also a couple of lbs lighter- bonus. Both the S03 and T1S are both rather long lived (if you don't autox/track them a bunch) too.

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Old 02-23-2003, 12:45 AM   #21
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good thread.

i don't have the same money problems but this thread is still VERY interesting to me.

thanks for doing all that research.
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Old 02-23-2003, 09:18 AM   #22
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I'm in the same situation, and after reading Tirerack's tests between the 712, ES100, and HTRZ II, I decided that the Yoko ES100 seems like the best deal.
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I'm in the same situation, and after reading Tirerack's tests between the 712, ES100, and HTRZ II, I decided that the Yoko ES100 seems like the best deal.
I think I am leaning towards them too.

Thanks for input guys, but keep it comming.
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Old 02-23-2003, 08:58 PM   #24
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I am making a similar decision as well. I will never be driving on the track and want a sporty summer only tire. As of right now, I am going with ES100s.

I had a set of SP9000s on my civic that were out of round. Drove on them for a year an no one could figure out why they would not balance properly - the steering wheel shook like crazy at anything over 50. When they came off for the winter I sent them back to tirerack and they were apparently so bad, I was credited the full amount for all 4. It was a shame, since they were otherwise quiet, handled well and were fantstic in the rain. I relaize a bad expirence with 1 set is prob not a reason to avoid them, but so it is. Otherwise, they would prob beat the ES100s on my list for the WRX.

I relplaced the 9000s with Kuhmo 712s because the civc went from being the fun weekend car to the train station car when I got the WRX and I wanted something cheap to fit on the 16" wheels. I consider them to be a below avg performace tire, but work well for their current usage. If you want treadwear and are mostly driving on the highway, they should match your budget well. If you are doing backroad driving, I would look elsewhere.

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Kumho ECSTA Supra 712.

The best bang for the buck. Sure you can get stickier tires but look at the treadwear. Lets say you get 5% more traction but at the expense of the tire lasting half as long?

Im running these on two cars currently, and have convinced friends and co-workers to use them as well.

The other great thing about these is that many local tire shops will carry them so you can get an even better deal than tire rack.
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