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Old 02-23-2003, 11:31 PM   #1
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Default STI or 1999 911(996)with 90k on it,....

My wholesale guy comes to me on thursday and says,..I know you're all in heat over the STI, but can you close your eyes and trust me,..?" So i follow him, I close my eyes and I sit down in a low slung coupe type car. Now from instructing in Porsche club and owning a Porsche I knew right away it was a Porsche, and as soon as he started it I knew it was a 911(996). He takes me for ride and comes back tells me it has 91,000 miles on it, a sales guy had it, and drove it up and down to Florida and that it was wholesaling for 43 grand. MercedesBenz North America Finance will finance you based on home equity,..and I have like almost 185k in home equity, so there I stand with a silver 911, 1999 with 18 inch factory wheels and 7% interest for 6 years, could have drove it home THAT DAY !! .............................

NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE......I am dedicated to the STI, and besides I am 35 years old, and will get married in October. How many of you think I'd still be getting married if I get the 911 ??

I have wanted an STI anything before I even got the 944 turbo, since like 1993 when I read about it in the old,.." Performance Car" magazine. PLUS,..all the guys I see with 911's look like they have big ego's and small,.........----pride !!!

Even when I show my 3 year old a picture of a 911 and an STI, he says,....TEE-ESS-EYE,..I mean ESS-TEE EYE dADDEe !!!

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Old 02-24-2003, 12:31 AM   #2
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I'm not sure about the reliability on the 996 with 91,000 miles. Also, those things cost alot to maintain.
If it has less miles, I'd take the 911. It's a benchmark of driving experiece.
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Old 02-24-2003, 04:21 AM   #3
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90,000 miles on a 4 year old Porsche... Thats alot of miles on a such a new porsche... I doubt I'd buy it if it were the same price as an STI...
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Old 02-24-2003, 09:39 AM   #4
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I forced to make a decision on both, i'd pass on the Porsche as well. It comes down to how much faith u have in the used engine and drivetrain.

Normally 'd take teh porsche, but u may do better with teh STi and 10k in mods.
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Old 02-24-2003, 09:44 AM   #5
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yeah i'd get the sti
althoguh i'm not a porsche fan at all.

especially one with that many miles
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Old 02-24-2003, 09:52 AM   #6
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I'm a huge porsche fan. If it's your only car, STi, definitely. If you have a daily driver, and can get the 996 down to $30k-ish, that's a tough call.

unless it's got a ton of options that you really want, $42k is not a good deal for "wholesale" High miles make these cars much less desirable, as I'm sure you know by your screen name.

Good luck, and have fun testdriving
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Old 02-24-2003, 12:08 PM   #7
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hmm that is alot of miles i have always perferred the 993 style

plus i watched my roomate (vishnu stage 2) destroy a 911 on an on ramp yesterday
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Old 02-24-2003, 12:17 PM   #8
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Default bleh a 996...

the 996 lost what the 911 was all about...993's imho was the last true 911.

get a viper dude!
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Old 02-24-2003, 12:40 PM   #9
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Just wanted to say that the Porsche even with 90K miles is pretty reliable.

There was and index in Germany for reliable cars and after 10 years the only cars still on the list were 911s.

Apparently, all you need is to resleeve the cyclinders at around 200K miles for an engine that will continue to run fine (not forgetting regular maintenance).

But then, that's just what I've heard.

STi is still the way to go for a family.
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Old 02-24-2003, 01:09 PM   #10
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Interesting problem...although I am getting married soon and I have a 911 (84 Carrera) and a deposit on an STi. What does that have to do with it?

I think your logic is all flawed...buy a car for what you are going to do with it not becuase of what others may/may not think of you...in it. Genitalia aside as well...beside I thought that was the argument for all those wasser pumper 944 guys ;-)

My 911 has 33k miles on it...and from what I can tell the 3.2 is good for 150-200k before needing anything as long as it is maintained. So I would't be concerned about those miles. Porsche is pretty solid as far as longevity goes.

My car can take a pretty good beating at the track and still prolly take a place in a concour so that says a lot about the durability.

I say drive what is most fun...if the STi turns out to be the case then the 911 might get sold...but the STi will have to be a monster to compete with my Carrera at the track. When properly setup the 911 is a formidable component.

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Old 02-24-2003, 01:30 PM   #11
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I'd take the STI over the used 996. I'm a Porsche fan. My old vintage hot rod 1969 is a blast and the most fun I could ever have, but it is primarily a track car. In my opinion, a stock 996 is really fairly boring compared to older Porsches, including a 944 Turbo S, if that's what you have or had. Given how much fun I have with the WRX, I think the STI would give you the best of both worlds--- it would be a fantastic street car that would probably be a lot of fun on a road course too. This would be a no-brainer for me, as much as I love Porsches. Get the STI!!
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Old 02-24-2003, 06:25 PM   #12
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That wholesale guy is a harpie!
He is not doing you any favors.

Think about the following beofre making a move:

Forget about the initial purchase cost of $43K;
Forget about the not so great financing deal of 7% over 6 years (you can get much better deals if you have decent credit);
Forget about pimipin' in a 996 which every young gal in town (and some old one's too) will be dry humping your leg to be seen in;
Forget about the fact that the 996 will increase your 'attractiveness' to females by about 50% even considering the 15% reduction from wearing a wedding band;
Forget about the fact that even though you probably won't put on nearly as miles the fact that the car is going to continue depreciating steeply due to the already high miles and that outside of tracking it not too many private buyers would take it off your hands a year or two from now without you taking a bath;
Forget about the crazy insurance costs for collision on a 996.

Forget about all of the items above and just keep in mind the maintenance costs of a 996!
Between the going service rate which in my area (DC/MD/VA) is over $100/hour depending on where you go and that Porsche parts as you may well know are _very_ expensive (in a past life I managed a combination Porsche, Subaru, Audi & Jaguar retail & wholesale parts & accs. counter).
Even if you are connected and have a certified Porsche mechanic available through channels other than the dealer network you are still going to be paying 70%-80% of the retail labor rate...and that ain't circus peanuts.
Lets say you're me and you have sources for both labor and parts at wholesale (or best case scenario 'employee cost') from a dealer, thats still only 30%-40% off retail which is still going to be 10-15% _above_ Subaru retail for an equivalent item whether it be oil & air filters to body parts to tires to anything including even keyblanks!

Just as with buying your house, it isn't the monthly payment you have to worry about most...its the up keep that goes along with living in it.

If I were approached with this 'opportunity' I would run not walk away from it. Why run, because wanton lust & unrealisitic visions of hanign out with other fast cars and even fatser women would ruin my marriage and suck everything including the lint from my Levi 501's. Then, what?

Like every third Porsche anything owner you throw a really nice car cover over your ride and pull the wheels placing it on jack stands. You then tell your wife, friends and neighbors your 'prepping it for track use' while you try to figure out how to unload this money magnet on the next unsuspecting sucker/friend/neighbor/any person who'll show interest and has a job.

Bottom line, the STi is more powerful than even the current '02 911C2 (300HP & 285lb/ft Torque) and only 200 lbs heaver (current C2 is 2910 lbs) with 4 real seats. The dealer maint. costs are nearly 1/3 less and parts are in a word 'cheap'.
With an STi you'll be blowing off most any older Porsche owner that doesn't have a 'Turbo' insignia on the trunk and you'll have money left in you pocket to treat your girl out to dinner twice per week at her favorite restaurant.

She'll love you even more for that and you'll love having a car you can afford to drive everyday and not have to work double overtime to afford for the long haul.

Do the right thing...and stick to your guns with an STi.

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Old 02-24-2003, 06:52 PM   #13
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Janq ought to be writing a column for Autoweek. Be a lot more interesting reading than most of their columnists. He could be the next Satch Carlson........!
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Old 02-24-2003, 06:57 PM   #14
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mvf4s--The last true 911 cars were the 69-73 cars.......hehehe

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Old 02-24-2003, 08:05 PM   #15
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the only 911 I'd own at the moment is a 964 3.6 Turbo... just love those

You can find a nice one for around $45k or so which personally is much more desirable than a 996 any day of the year!
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Old 02-24-2003, 10:48 PM   #16
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911= overweight luxo sport cruiser.
STi will kill them all day long. Hell, I do it on track with my WRX.

and you nailed it on the head ,..all the guys I see with 911's look like they have big ego's and small,.........----pride !!!
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Old 02-24-2003, 11:03 PM   #17
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911= overweight luxo sport cruiser.
STi will kill them all day long. Hell, I do it on track with my WRX.

How many people would drive balls out in an $80k dollar car?

I don't really put much stock in stories where people say they destroy Vipers or whatever on a racetrack in their WRX's

Not saying that you weren't faster than them, just to be careful who you make comparisions to.
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Old 02-25-2003, 02:25 AM   #18
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Default 911 versus STI...

Man ,....I never thought I pull al you guys out the wood works on that thread......

NO LIFT,.I AM SORRY IF I OFFENDED YOU,. what I should have said was guys who dont track their 911's,..and Janq,..you can write and I thought I was long winded....

Thanks guys,..I still have my deposit on the STI.


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Old 02-25-2003, 09:13 AM   #19
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the 996 lost what the 911 was all about...993's imho was the last true 911.
Werd!
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Old 02-25-2003, 09:22 AM   #20
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944 Turbo guy,

No offense taken here. I am sure you are accustomed to the jabbing back and forth between the air/water cooled ranks in the Porsche world, just part of it.

I here you on the decision...all the cars out there and the new ones coming out make it tough. Again depends on what you want it for and what youa re going to use it for.

I do think there are a lot of misconceptions about Porsches though. Until you have driven one 911 or otherwise on the track it is tough to "get it".

A 911 is a very tough car to drive fast and well...one of the things I like most about it.

If you do most of the work on your car yourself I think the maintenance issues argument goes out the window. I only take my car into the shop for alignments and do everything else myself which is also part of the enjoyment of the car.

The STi will be a great car and I can't wait to get mine. Only time will tell if it can be more hairy on the track/street than my 911.

I test drove a WRX before I decided to buy the STi being new to the Scooby world and it is an impressive car but has nothing on my 911, so I am hoping that I get 65% more car in the STi when it arrives.

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Old 02-25-2003, 09:42 AM   #21
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911= overweight luxo sport cruiser.
STi will kill them all day long. Hell, I do it on track with my WRX.

and you nailed it on the head ,..all the guys I see with 911's look like they have big ego's and small,.........----pride !!!
using edmunds numbers for a quick comparison, the 996 weighs 2959 lbs and the WRX weight 3085. The base 996 also has 320hp with no turbo lag.

If the STi comes in around or below the WRX's weight, it will be a good match for the 996, with more torque. But...all cars are getting to be overweight now. MB's are overweight luxo sport cruisers, the 996 is not.

There's a reason that so many race 996 GT3's. And it has nothing to do with being overweight or luxurious.
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Old 02-25-2003, 10:10 AM   #22
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mvf4s--The last true 911 cars were the 69-73 cars.......hehehe

Oldnslow(member Early S Registry)
I've read that hardcore fans consider the 1969 911S the last of the true 911 due to an exhaust change.

But for me a liquid cooled 911 is an oxymoron.

get a V I P E R!!!
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Old 02-25-2003, 10:19 AM   #23
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How many people would drive balls out in an $80k dollar car?

I don't really put much stock in stories where people say they destroy Vipers or whatever on a racetrack in their WRX's

Not saying that you weren't faster than them, just to be careful who you make comparisions to.
LOL! That $80k pricetag doesnt include talent or driving skill

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Old 02-25-2003, 12:59 PM   #24
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To the Porsche bashers----Actually, there are thousands of folks who drive their 911s hard - many of them on the track. I also believe a lowly 911 won Daytona outright this year. Not bad for a car many thought should have been obselete about 30 years ago. The committment to development and testing of the 911 is unequalled by any other manufacturer. Yes, they are a challenged to drive well, but just so much fun, especially the early cars! If you ask folks who work on them, most will tell you they are built of extremely high quality--right down to the quality for each bolt.
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Are really trying to compare a base 911 luxo cruiser with a fully developed GT3-R racecar?
The 911 is a great car, no doubt. Im not bashing, I would love one.
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