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Old 03-03-2003, 05:59 PM   #1
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Default McIntosh Head unit an option in the STi?

Anybody know if this will be offered?
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Old 03-03-2003, 07:16 PM   #2
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Isn't McIntosh doing car audio head units only as OEM for Lexus exclusively. They create an audio map of the entire vehicle before 'developing' a head unit solution for the applicable model.

It would be a tremendous step down for them to start doing Subaru's...

Don't get me wrong, I love Subies a ton...but a Subaru just ain't a Lexus (except for maybe the old SVX in 'LS' trim).

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Old 03-03-2003, 07:31 PM   #3
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Isn't McIntosh doing car audio head units only as OEM for Lexus exclusively. They create an audio map of the entire vehicle before 'developing' a head unit solution for the applicable model.

It would be a tremendous step down for them to start doing Subaru's...
All Outback VDC models come with a McIntosh system.
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Old 03-03-2003, 08:17 PM   #4
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And it was an option on nearly all Legacies in Japan. Only about $600 or so, too.

Sounds great.

IMHO, it was a step up from Lexus for them to do the Legacy - I'm very much a driver's car type of person, so it was nice to have a decent sound system in a real car.

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Old 03-03-2003, 09:54 PM   #5
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Lexus comes with a Mark Levinson though... not McIntosh.
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Old 03-03-2003, 10:10 PM   #6
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I thought the Lexus got a Mark Levinson system? (which is made by JBL anyway)

The McIntosh has been available in the Legacy Outback H6 in the US for some time, and an option in Japan since the 98 intro of the BH. Yes they do map the interior, but far, far beyond that, they work with the maker to ensure the interior is a good enough sound space for them, otherwise they don't sign off on the deal. For the BH (and BE) that meant an engineer spending almost a year with the FHI peeps getting everything worked out - interior panels, sound deadening placement - many things were modified, tested, modified, tested, etc., etc.

IMHO, they are much more careful than certain other brands who will just map an interior and plonk a "solution" in a car or offer "advice" on the interior While the system ain't perfect for "THUMP" lovers, those who enjoy the odd vocal artist, classical music, or simply can live without shaking their craniums will in all likelyhood enjoy the low distortion of the system.

But like everything, sound is very personal, so each to his/her own. Oh, and as you can gather from above, it is unlikely a McIntosh would make it into an Impreza STi (it probably going to be a bit too noisy ). But Subaru could surprise us
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Old 03-03-2003, 10:16 PM   #7
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Mark Levinson <> McIntosh = "DOH!"

Guess I goofed on that one, eh?

<lol>

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Old 03-04-2003, 10:46 AM   #8
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As long as Subaru doesn't pull a GM and start putting the trash sound systems of Bose in their higher end cars I'll be happy
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Old 03-04-2003, 12:11 PM   #9
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The reason I ask is because my girl friend just picked up her new Outback VDC yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised by the presence of the McIntosh head unit. And is sounds much better than my WRX, even with its "upgraded sound system".

While I am patiently (chomp, chomp, drool, drool) waiting for my STi, I thought it would be pretty nice if they offered the McIntosh as an option.
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Old 03-04-2003, 12:21 PM   #10
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I take it that the Macintosh Stereo is very good? Can someone describe to me why that is so? What makes it so good? Do they only make head units? Please use small words with a minimum of syllables as I am functionally illiterate when it comes to car stereos.
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Old 03-04-2003, 12:39 PM   #11
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Here is a review of their head unit (although the VDC is a double DIN one that may be quite different-sounding):

http://www.teamrocs.com/reviews/headunits/mx406.htm

and their website is here:

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/

I think their mobile audio is associated with Clarion, but I am not sure.

Anyway, I would love to get this as an option, although I don't know what is in that double-din that requires so much space. Is it an in-dash changer? I think it would be cool for Subaru to sell the single DIN and build a gauge set to match.

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Old 03-04-2003, 01:06 PM   #12
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Here is a review of their head unit (although the VDC is a double DIN one that may be quite different-sounding):

http://www.teamrocs.com/reviews/headunits/mx406.htm

and their website is here:

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/

I think their mobile audio is associated with Clarion, but I am not sure.

Anyway, I would love to get this as an option, although I don't know what is in that double-din that requires so much space. Is it an in-dash changer? I think it would be cool for Subaru to sell the single DIN and build a gauge set to match.

Eric
here's a review of the VDC radio
http://www.mypersonaldrive.com/01_04...oundVision.asp

looks to be AM/FM/CD/Weatherband and cassette deck
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Old 03-04-2003, 04:13 PM   #13
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As long as Subaru doesn't pull a GM and start putting the trash sound systems of Bose in their higher end cars I'll be happy
Bose is still ok... BMW's HK system is the worst...
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Old 03-04-2003, 04:15 PM   #14
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Doesn't some of STi's photo include a stereo headunit on the
dash?? Is that a Mcintosh one?
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Old 03-04-2003, 06:17 PM   #15
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Mcintosh = Clarion.

They're sister companies. McIntosh just uses higher grade parts, which opbviously equates to a better sounding component, and of course, a higher price tag.
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Old 03-05-2003, 08:57 AM   #16
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Bose is still ok... BMW's HK system is the worst...

Bose and Polk are both trash. Bose should change thier slogan to "better sound through advertising."
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Old 03-05-2003, 09:45 AM   #17
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I work in the industry.


Bose = trash.

Bose 901s = good.

Bose industrial headphones = excellent.

McIntosh = excellent. and more expensive than you can afford.

Clarion rebadged as McIntosh = midrange, decent.

Harman companies:

Harman/Kardon = trash.

JBL = trash.

JBL Pro = excellent.

JBL car = trash.

Infinity low end = trash.

Infinity high end (>$3000) = excellent.

Mark Levinson = excellent.

JBL car crap rebadged as Mark Levinson to make it sound like you're getting a "premium" system... = trash.

Madrigal = excellent.

Proceed = excellent.


I hate Harman International. They've destroyed more good brands than anyone else except Circuit City....



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Polk in the '80s = excellent.

Polk today = trash.



I'm glad to see a McIntosh branded product in a Subaru... they make some incredible in-dash systems in the JDM B4s.... absolutely amazing sound systems using real McIntosh amps and all kinds of goodies. Having heard a really balanced car system based on McIntosh amps and Dynaudio drivers, all I can do is drooool.....
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Old 03-05-2003, 10:57 AM   #18
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For the units I know, I agree with your ratings. But what I can't figure out is what you would recommend that is affordable?
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That statement, by itself, does not necessarily establish credibility. Could you please elaborate on your relationship to "the industry?"

(i.e. I work at ____ as a ____, where we frequently ____....etc)
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Old 03-05-2003, 03:27 PM   #20
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For the units I know, I agree with your ratings. But what I can't figure out is what you would recommend that is affordable?
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As far as car audio, I don't know enough to say what is recommended. For home audio, the best bang for the buck are Paradigm Reference speakers. Boston Acoustics also makes good low-mid speakers. You can get a pair of Paradigm Reference Studio 40/CC's (bookshelf speakers) for about $800 a pair.

For amplifiers, I plan to get a 2 channel 100W AKSA amplifier (www.printedelectronics.com). You have to be able to do some soldering and have some basic electrical equipment to build it, but for the money not much else comes close.

From friends I have "in the know" with car audio they recommend Clarion as a solid choice.
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Nothing affordable is recommended. All or nothing. Do or die. McIntosh, Linn, Mark Levinson are all good. If you want the supreme in home sound, build it (you better be pretty damn good in the woodshop and with electronics) http://www.speakerbuilding.com LOL this is WAY off the STi head unit topic.

As for the McIntosh head unit...never heard it...would like to...

Lastly, I've heard good things of the Lexus Mark Levinson systems...I've never heard it myself tho.
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Old 03-05-2003, 11:03 PM   #22
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We've back to back tested them - sadly Paul Hansen was not there, but considering the Lexus was more than twice the price, the M-L was nothing special, and showed some peakiness that was a bit surprising (it did sound pretty good in isolation though).

The McI in the Legacy was smoother and rounder all round - but admittedly it is not for head bangers as heavy bass can over power the sub pretty early on.

All IMHO of course.

And the answer to the orignal quesiton is a few posts up
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Old 03-06-2003, 09:20 AM   #23
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Nothing affordable is recommended. All or nothing. Do or die. McIntosh, Linn, Mark Levinson are all good. If you want the supreme in home sound, build it (you better be pretty damn good in the woodshop and with electronics) http://www.speakerbuilding.com LOL this is WAY off the STi head unit topic.

As for the McIntosh head unit...never heard it...would like to...

Lastly, I've heard good things of the Lexus Mark Levinson systems...I've never heard it myself tho.
I don't agree with this. To use Paradigm as an example again, they make some affordable ($800 a pair) bookshelf speakers that sound excellent. The sound is natural, uncolored, and is not fatiguing. It's not high-end B&W by any means, but I've always thought the cash should go into the amplifier, and that a good amp will make good speakers sound like better speakers.

For amplifiers, you can build something like the AKSA 100 Watt(www.printedelectronics.com). It's not terribly complex to build, comes with great instructions, and produces better sound than anything I've heard for under $4000. Total price for the AKSA with everything would be in the neighborhood of $500 to $600.

I've heard a $20,000 McIntosh all vacuum tube amp connected to McIntosh bookshelfs. The sound definitely was beautiful, but there are diminishing returns. My $2000 system may sound 10 times better than a $200 JBL system, but a $20,000 system will not sound 10 times better than my $2000 system. It's just a trade off of how excellent a sound you "need" and how much you can afford.

Once we start to talk about high-end speaker cables and power cords, I think we are past the realistic stage and into the psychoacoustic stage; I paid a lot of money for these speaker cables that look like garden hoses so they must be good

I agree with most of what you say though, building it yourself is the way to go. It's fun too

Edit: BTW, I think www.diyaudio.com is the best DIY audio resource on the web.
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Old 03-06-2003, 10:29 AM   #24
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So i guess this means the STi is going to come with a radio after all? back when they first released the info people were saying that it wouldn't come with one... does this mean it does?

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Hey man, be cool/ I loved the HK system in my 2001 330i.
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