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Old 03-04-2003, 11:53 PM   #1
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Exclamation BS the dealer told me today....

I went to a local dealer tonight(Russel Subaru/VW for anyone in MD) and as soon as I walked in I knew I was in trouble. There was only 1 salesman in there, and nobody outside? Well, anyways I basicallly tell the guy that if I could I would like to put down a deposit on an STI. He tells me that this dealership is not taking anymore deposits for the next year-that they are all called for!...He tells me that a Subaru rep just told his dealership that they will only be making 300 per month for the 1st year. So, only 3600 STI's from N.Y. to L.A. per year...I was under the impression that they were bringing over 10,000 STI's. Then he tells me that he thinks they will go for around $32-33K,. and that they are going to mark them up 5-10K....I laughed in his face. I love everyting about an STI, but I'm sorry I wouldnt pay 40K for one-it's still a Subaru. I could never justify paying $40,000 for a Subaru. He says that Subaru wants to keep this car exclusive and therfore wont bring more than 3600 over. He says that since his dealership sells more Subarus than anyone around, that they will be only getting 6 STI's this year. When I told him that I was going to anothe rlocal dealership he said that they wouldnt even get any because of their low sales volume. Now, can somebody pleas tell me how many they are supposed to bring over? Is this guy full of it? And last but not least would you guys pay close to if not more than $40,000 for an STI....thanks


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Old 03-05-2003, 12:00 AM   #2
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He is correct. Only 3600 or 300 per month for the U.S. You shouldn't pay a premium, that is BS.
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Old 03-05-2003, 12:10 AM   #3
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Wow, I wasnt aware that they were only bringing over so few.
He also mentioned that any Subaru dealership wanting to sell an STI, has to buy an $18,000 special tool kit to be able to work on the cars. I used to work at a GM dealership and we had all kinds of special tools, if you added them all up it wouldnt come close to 18K. He then tells me that the average income of an STI owner would be over $90,000...I dont believe that at all. As a general rule of thumb you should make a smuch as your car costs. I would imagine somebody making 90K a year would want something made in Germany with a luxury badge on the hood.....so only 3600, dont you guys think Subaru will bring over more, I mean you know they will all sell....didnt Subaru bring over more WRX's the first year than expected because of how good the sales were?
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Old 03-05-2003, 01:31 AM   #4
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This is the second time I heard that a dealer is marking up 5- 10k on the Sti.( Bill Kolb in NY is one)
His numbers are correct based on what I have heard from my dealer. I was told by two dealers that in the NY region alone, there will be 30 cars for 70 dealers. Do the math.
I hope I get onem, but I refuse to pay over MSRP.

I will stick with my WRX and wait till someone get tired of their STI.
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Old 03-05-2003, 02:27 AM   #5
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Thats nothing, my local mitsu dealer wants $45,000 for their first EVO
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Old 03-05-2003, 08:42 AM   #6
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He says that since his dealership sells more Subarus than anyone around, that they will be only getting 6 STI's this year.

-Alberto

Another line. The largest dealership in the US for 2002 was in Oregon, the 2nd largest in upstate NY. The NY dealer was the largest in the US the prior 3 years.


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Old 03-05-2003, 09:01 AM   #7
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He is correct. Only 3600 or 300 per month for the U.S. You shouldn't pay a premium, that is BS.
The quote from Subaru was 4000-5000 units in 2003. But don't dwell on the numbers. Like the WRX, SOA is just estimating how many STis they're going to sell. Supplies will be tight at first, and if demand is still strong by the end of 2003 they up production to meet it.

Remember, they're not going to sell as many STis as WRXs. Only in my wildest thoughts could I see them selling more than 10000 per year. Realistically, it will probably be more like 5K. The STi is not cheap (but a good deal) and targets a very performance oriented customer. There aren't *that* many people out there that really will get this car.

You may not be the first to get an STi, but if you want one, you'll be able to get one. Don't pay over MSRP.

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Old 03-05-2003, 09:22 AM   #8
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Did you ever make it to the other dealership.
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Old 03-05-2003, 12:39 PM   #9
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I havent made it to the other drealership, I'm going to call instead. After yesterday I've sort of lost hope in being able to get an STI....
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Old 03-05-2003, 03:37 PM   #10
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Subaru of New England say they are getting 150 per month. Not sure how to extrapolate that to the whole country, but thought I would share that with you.
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Old 03-05-2003, 03:52 PM   #11
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Subaru of New England say they are getting 150 per month. Not sure how to extrapolate that to the whole country, but thought I would share that with you.
150 STis per month? No way. 3600 for the entire country for the year.

Heck, they only sold 14,443 units in February '03 for the country. And that was the best February since 1986...


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Old 03-05-2003, 04:00 PM   #12
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Where did the official 5000-6000 cars go?

when was this lowered to 3600? Is this just what the dealer said at the beginning of this thread?
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Old 03-05-2003, 04:22 PM   #13
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My screw up. I was sure I saw 3600 somewhere, but the only thing I could find now was this:

"Numbers will be limited to 4,000-5,000 annually, he said. No final price has been set, but Adcock said itís likely to be in the low $30,000s."


from

http://autoshow.msn.com/autoshow2003...spx?xml=Subaru


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Old 03-05-2003, 04:32 PM   #14
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As a general rule of thumb you should make a smuch as your car costs.
where did you get this?

i think anyone that would buy a car that costs their annual salary would be a serious dumass.
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Old 03-05-2003, 05:16 PM   #15
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where did you get this?

i think anyone that would buy a car that costs their annual salary would be a serious dumass.
I'M A DUMBASS!

When you're financing a car I don't see why this is such a problem? My car payment is ~$240/month and last year I made 24k (what I paid for my WRX). I'm only 20 though so I don't have too many other expenses.

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Old 03-05-2003, 05:32 PM   #16
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where did you get this?

i think anyone that would buy a car that costs their annual salary would be a serious dumass.
that goes for me to, im 20 and i make around 40k a year. Just beacuse you make 24k and a car is 24k dosent mean you cant afford it. its not like your paying for it in full
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I'M A DUMBASS!

When you're financing a car I don't see why this is such a problem? My car payment is ~$240/month and last year I made 24k (what I paid for my WRX). I'm only 20 though so I don't have too many other expenses.

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What?? 240 a month? You either have a 10 year loan or you put a lot down on your WRX.

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5 year loan 12k down
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Old 03-05-2003, 08:29 PM   #19
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The emails I have received directly from SOA on the subject of volume have been 300/month.

However, I have also heard production is shifting to the USDM model at Gunma to chew through the initial demand hump we have built up. What that means is more cars earlier then tapering off.

I don't think it will make them hard to find later but will make them easier to find earlier and therefore less reason to pay a premium.

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5 year loan 12k down
well if you put 12k of your own money down, i seriously doubt yer a dumass.

good on you mate fer pullin it off.

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Old 03-05-2003, 11:48 PM   #21
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where did you get this?

i think anyone that would buy a car that costs their annual salary would be a serious dumass.
I was thinking the same thing. Besides just because you make $90k a year doesn't mean you are going to buy a $90k car. Contrary to what people may believe most rich people don't blow lots of money on things like cars. If I made $200k a year, I'd still get an Sti.

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I live not even 5 mins from Russell and didn't even bother to ask them about the STi.

They want markup for almost every new car that comes out(BMW M3, X5 4.6is, Mazdaspeed Protage(spelling), probably the RX-8, STi, and maybe the VW tourage and R32.)

Go to Valley motors in Cockeysville, they should be selling it for MSRP but make sure you get that on writing though.

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Contrary to what people may believe most rich people don't blow lots of money on things like cars. If I made $200k a year, I'd still get an Sti.
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agreed on all points.

the rich are rich cause they are stingy

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Old 03-06-2003, 12:42 PM   #24
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An enthusiast will find a way to pay for the car he/she wants even if it seems they can't afford it.

I know some hard core bikers who's Harley's cost more than both cars and probably 1/4 of their house. But, their bikes look good though.

Some people know how to live on the cheap so as to afford the things that are real special to them. Hey, if you have to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch and mac and cheese for dinner so that you can drive an STi, I'd say you have heart. Go for it! That's REAL enthusiasm.

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Old 03-06-2003, 01:56 PM   #25
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An enthusiast will find a way to pay for the car he/she wants even if it seems they can't afford it.

I know some hard core bikers who's Harley's cost more than both cars and probably 1/4 of their house. But, their bikes look good though.

Some people know how to live on the cheap so as to afford the things that are real special to them. Hey, if you have to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch and mac and cheese for dinner so that you can drive an STi, I'd say you have heart. Go for it! That's REAL enthusiasm.

T

Yeah. It is all about priorities. Maybe you don't make huge money, but instead of going on vacation, spending money drinking every weekend (smoking cigs), and other forms of entertainment, you use that money to brigde the gap between an affordable car and the Sti.

I personally wouldn't want a car that I could barely afford and have to sacrifice other things to own. The car would own me.

It is a circus out there with these dealer markups. Finally some awsome cars come and the dealers ruin it by pulling this crap. I saw the sticker of the EVO in Cali marked up $20K over MSRP (see OT). It made me sick. I am going to sit back and enjoy my WRX, and not get involved in this insanity.
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