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Old 04-16-2001, 12:47 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Tein S-Tech springs on a WRX - with photos about 1.5" drop

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Diz had problems with mounting his Tein HA coilovers in the rear - they would give way too much negative camber. He had a mounting plate welded onto the spring perch to level out the coil-over (by JC Sports which looked extremely professional), but it was still off a little (their first try). This meant buying new spring perches to try again, or cutting off the welded on plates and redoing it. It was also a little noiser than he would like.

So, Saturday we got together in his garage with yellow WRX Bob helping us, and we swapped my tein S-Tech springs onto his car with his stock struts, and put his coil-overs on my RS-T (sorry Bob, I forget the rest of your name or i-club ID). I tried to talk him into taking my 6 month old KYB AGX struts too

I got there late at about 10:00am and they already had Diz's left rear suspension off. The right rear was another issue - it was on wayyyy too tight to budge the 19mm bolts with standing in the breaker bar. The 12 point 19mm socket we had started to strip the bolt head, and we finally destroyed a craftsman tool in the process and had to go on a road trip to three places for a 6 point 19mm socket.

Other than a few gltches like loosening things in the wrong order, taking some paint off the rear door of my car, and dinging the WRX fender which they popped back out We finished about 8 hours later. Whomever said that it took them about an hour to do one set of suspension was high or making it up! (Okay, I think Imprezer said 40 minutes and maybe 8Complex said 1 hour and 20 minutes, so I averaged them). Oh well, the best part was when Diz's GF made a ton of hamburgers and brats for lunch! Praise God!

After we were done, on the WRX we went from about 4 fingers of "fender gap" between the tire and fender (with 17" wheels and 215/45x17 K712's) to about a 2 finger gap, at approximately 1.5" drop. This may settle out to a bigger drop later. It should also be noted that while the drop is the same front/rear, the front looks higher than the rear, both stock and with Teins. The teins are 20% stiffer than RS springs, and about the same stiffness as stock WRX springs (I am told). I have some pictures below that I think show the difference between Bob's Monster Truck ride height to Diz's cool dude height.

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Here are close ups of the wheel gaps:

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<IMG SRC="http://204.142.86.216/images/wrx/stockreargap.jpg" border=0>

<IMG SRC="http://204.142.86.216/images/wrx/teinfrontgap.jpg" border=0>

<IMG SRC="http://204.142.86.216/images/wrx/stockfrontgap.jpg" border=0>

Remember, the front has more wheel gap whether stock or lowered, although the drop lowered is the same front and rear. The 17" wheels look much better, and 18" would look even better.

Now for my RS: I will post some more feedback when I get to play with the Tein HA coil-overs more than the drive home. The coil-overs are set for 2f/3r and it is much softer than before, with a little more body roll. However, I have 22 settings to play with!

I have the ride height about 1.75" below stock in the front, and about 1.25" below stock in the rear, and I don't scrape the bottom of my car entering the garage anymore, like with the Tein S-tech springs...

Questions!!

(1) I plan to leave the ride height where is is now for quite a while. Since these are used coil-overs, have they settle already? (2) If not, how many days do I need to drive to let it settle BEFORE I get an alignment?
(3) How will altering ride height later with the coil-overs affect my new alignment - I assume lowering it will increase negative camber?
(4) Would you set the ride height for "rally height" and then do the alignment, or leave it at "autocross height", where it is now, and do the alignment after that? (I wont venture to rally height often).

FYI - With the AGX and Teins, I had about 1.75" drop in the front and rear (advertised as 1.2"), and I set the alignment for minus 1 degree camber at all 4 corners.

Larry www.ImprezaRS.com

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Old 04-16-2001, 07:19 AM   #2
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A few details ala Diz -

As anyone knows, the job is easy with the proper tools. The only thing we really needed was a compressor for the air tools. Other than exerting Herculean effort to free over tightened bolts, things went rather well. There were a coupla times when all three of us were circled around a troublesome part scratching our heads like monkeys, but that seemed to be the exception rather than the rule.

As for the ride - not bad. The feel is close to stock with a low center of gravity. It will squat much more in the turns vs the coilovers (duh). However, I am VERY glad Larry and I were able to do this. The bottom line is that those Teins just weren't designed for my car and it showed. Also, this just gives me more cash for go-fast upgrades. (insert evil laugh) Thanks for the pics, Larry.
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Old 04-16-2001, 09:46 AM   #3
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HMMMM...

that's funny, because it only took me less than 2 hours to do mine. Of course, I had air tools and lift. hehe.

I don't think the 1.5" will stay around too long after it settles. The Tein S-tech springs lowered mine at least 2 inches by the time it settled.

I'm very close to being tucked ala BTCC in the rear now.
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Old 04-17-2001, 02:30 PM   #4
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per above -

"As for the ride - not bad. The feel is close to stock with a low center of gravity. It will squat much more in the turns vs the coilovers (duh). "

After living with it for a couple of days, the springs do seem to be settling a bit. The ride is very close to stock. You can feel the Teins a bit more on crappy roads. They are not as forgiving and are a bit bumpier. The car handles better than stock. The lower center of gravity helps keep the body roll down. Of course, most of the grip is attributed to the new Kumho 712s and the 17 inch rims.
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Old 04-17-2001, 03:15 PM   #5
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Hi Larry, A few questions:

1-What kind of Tein springs did you sell to Steve in Houston?

2-I ordered Soft ones but my car went up after I installed the lighter bumper insert and the alluminum hood.

3-How do you like your Coil overs?I'm getting mine tomorrow, I heard they are kind of noisy ??

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Old 04-17-2001, 06:40 PM   #6
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The stock spring rates on the WRX are pretty darn nice already, at about 20% stiffer than the RS. I drove the WRX HARD at Firebird Raceway over Spring Break at the 2002 WRX ride and drive event (see www.imprezars.com/news.htm , and other than a high center of gravity promoting more body roll than I'd like, with the 17" wheels and RE011 tires it was one nice handling car, combined with a supple ride. It was especially nice the way the back end liked to help steer the car through tight turns, rotating "at will" without inciting a spinout in the autocross or race track!

AndresRS01 - Steve got the Tein S-tech "soft" springs which are 20% stiffer than RS springs. I couldn't stand to drive on stock springs so I bought some more used ones from JC Sports until I could do coil-overs. I think Steve was just now getting around to installing them recently...

The coil-overs are completely silent in their operation on my car, while they rattled in the rear on Diz's WRX. The handling is almost as good as with Tein S-tech/AGX - even with the coil overs only on 2f and 3r out of 22 settings - I can crank them up and get a stiffer better handling ride for autocrosses. Right now, I am enjoying the ride. No regrets. Now all I need is a ride in Diz's WRX with the new springs.

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Old 04-17-2001, 07:02 PM   #7
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Kinda OT, but what kind of wheels are those on the blue Rex, how much are they, how heavy are they, and where did you get them. Thanks.

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Old 04-17-2001, 07:14 PM   #8
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Those are the alleged "Canadian Spec" 17 inch WRX wheels that JC Sports got him for about $275 each. In another post, Glenn Wallace said the part number is obsolete so he couldn't check out the claims they are Canadian Spec Wheels.

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Old 04-17-2001, 07:21 PM   #9
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Hehe Larry, sorry if I sounded a little harsh... it's just that all I've been seeing lately is wheel gap this, drop dat bitch this, etc. It's very refreshing to hear something a bit more performance oriented for a change... thanks for your input .
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Hey Larry, I'll be joining your ranks soon. Not before Sunday though...dangit. Medium Tiens and AGX's; I can't wait! (giddy, sadistic laugh) Every spring and strut mod on a scooby has been a fun ride. Bye, bye dirt capability, though . I still think it's a worthy sacrifice .

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those wheels look suspiciously like legacy GT-B rims......
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Okay, this is what my RS with Diz's old Tein HA Coil-Overs looks like. I will do the alignment in a couple of days, after another 2 days to let it settle down. Not too much fender gap, and I can drop it about 1.25" or raise it about 1.25" from here, I think.

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Who cares what it looks like, how does it perform? Doesn't seem like stock spring rates combined with a 2" drop is the key to performance.
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Old 04-18-2001, 08:03 AM   #14
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Actually, those are Jap-spec rims that Joe ordered a while back. I think they are off the Turbo Forester, but I can't be sure. Weight is around 19lbs. Cheers.

-Paul

PS - The do look quite a bit like the GT-B rims.

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