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Old 03-08-2003, 12:06 AM   #1
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Default Falken Azenis or Kumho MX's????

Ok so I decided to stick with my stock wheels for sheer stealth mode and sleeper style.........alright I really don;t have the cash floating around currently for a new set of rims. But anyways I have been running Falken Azenis on my stock rims for some time and I am quite happy with the performance and wear duration of these tires.

Heres the question I was hoping one of my fellow Bay Area members can lend a hand on. Which of these tires would you choose Falken Azenis or Kumho MX.

Like I said I love the Azenis but they only come in a 205/55/16 I would love to get a tire that comes in 215/50/16. Any input on the tires above would be great and any input on size of tires for the stockers would be appreciatted too. I did a search on these but all I found were tire owners backing up their personal choice till they were blue on the face, just looking for some honest feedback.

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Old 03-08-2003, 01:39 AM   #2
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Do the MX's actually come in 215/50/16?
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Old 03-08-2003, 01:57 PM   #3
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I've got both and both are quite sticky and have added unbelivable handling to an otherwise stock WRX wagon. I use the Azenis (215/45/16) for autoX'n, and the MX (215/45/17) for the street. I've heard people say that the Azenis may have a bit better turn in...but the MX's seem a little less noisy and have a better tread for rain.
I think its hard to go wrong with either.

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Old 03-09-2003, 03:14 AM   #4
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Overall, which would you say have better grip? treadwear?

I actually am also looking for some stock-sized tires (or 205/50/16) for my stock wheels and want the best grip that will last the longest (sacrifice a little grip for 2 more auto-x's)

surfrankwilliams: How many auto-x's do you have/get on a set of azenis?
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Old 03-09-2003, 03:20 AM   #5
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Naw, the MX's only come in 205/55/16 or 225/50/16... I was going to try out the 225's on some Slipstreams in a month or two and see how that pans out.
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Old 03-09-2003, 09:03 PM   #6
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Do the MX's actually come in 215/50/16?
Unfortunately they do not. only the Kumho 712's come in that size and I am not too impressed with those.
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Old 03-09-2003, 09:05 PM   #7
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Over at VIC, we're talking about the Kumho MX's.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=326344

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Old 03-09-2003, 09:05 PM   #8
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I've got both and both are quite sticky and have added unbelivable handling to an otherwise stock WRX wagon. I use the Azenis (215/45/16) for autoX'n, and the MX (215/45/17) for the street. I've heard people say that the Azenis may have a bit better turn in...but the MX's seem a little less noisy and have a better tread for rain.
I think its hard to go wrong with either.

MX:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

Azenis:
http://www.epinions.com/Falken_Azeni...rformance_Tire
Thanks Sirfrankwilliams, I appreciatte your response. I never even thought of getting a 215/45/16 I just thought they would look too small for the rex but I guess they would work.
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Old 03-10-2003, 02:18 AM   #9
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Thanks Sirfrankwilliams, I appreciatte your response. I never even thought of getting a 215/45/16 I just thought they would look too small for the rex but I guess they would work.
Its not the small look that will be the problem, but the decrease in the rotational diameter. Your gauges will be off with a 45 series 16" tire, as will your gearing.
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Old 03-10-2003, 02:22 AM   #10
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Over at VIC, we're talking about the Kumho MX's.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=326344

Derek
Not a very detailed discussion... And the MX's are a much much stickier tire than the 712's, the 712's are more of a non-performance oriented performance tire
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Old 03-10-2003, 03:26 PM   #11
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Not a very detailed discussion... And the MX's are a much much stickier tire than the 712's, the 712's are more of a non-performance oriented performance tire

I dunno, I'v found his tires to be VERY sticky. I have the 711's and they are plenty sticky, so the 712's should be even better.

I think Steve just will never be satisfied.
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Old 03-16-2003, 11:07 PM   #12
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For what it's worth, I have a little tiresize comparison program and here're the results:

Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
215/50-16 4.2in 12.2in 24.5in 76.9in 824 0.0%
215/45-16 3.8in 11.8in 23.6in 74.2in 854 -3.5%
215/45-17 3.8in 12.3in 24.6in 77.3in 819 0.6%


So, with 215/45-16, you'll be downgeared 3.5%. This will give you a little extra acceleration, but you'll be running higher revs at your usual highway speeds. However, it's pretty negligible.

When you're reading 60mph, you'll actually be doing 58mph.
When indicating 90, you'll really be doing 87.
When your odometer says you've covered 10,000 miles, you'll actually have only covered 9662 miles.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Old 03-16-2003, 11:09 PM   #13
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Oh yeah, have you guys found Azeni's to be noisy? I have them on the Miata, and they whir loudly.
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Old 03-17-2003, 12:12 AM   #14
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Thanks HOCHE!

I am currently running Azenis, I have got around 17,500 miles out of them so I am not complaining to much( Some track days, a few Auto-X's, and many agressive daily drives

They do have a little more noise than other tires I have had on other cars, however with my Tien HA's ( wi=hich replace the PBM's) I think any tire I choose will create a little more noise then a stock setup would becuase of the metal-to-metal contact on the PBM's.

Love the tires though, just wished they went the distance compared to other, however you need to sacrifice one thing for another I guess when choosing new rubber for your wheels.

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Old 03-17-2003, 01:01 AM   #15
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have you considered Pole Positions (S0-3's)? They are quit and work very well wet or dry. Iknow they are listed as a max performance and not a race tire, but they are excellent and they rate right up there.
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Old 03-17-2003, 02:41 AM   #16
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have you considered Pole Positions (S0-3's)? They are quit and work very well wet or dry. Iknow they are listed as a max performance and not a race tire, but they are excellent and they rate right up there.
VERY expensive compaired to the Falkens or MX's, and actually not as sticky. The S-03's are a better all daily driver tire though.

I'm getting my MX's (225/50/16) and my new wheels this week, ill report back then
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VERY expensive compaired to the Falkens or MX's, and actually not as sticky. The S-03's are a better all daily driver tire though.

I'm getting my MX's (225/50/16) and my new wheels this week, ill report back then
I'll be anxiously awaiting your answer I'm thinking about getting the MX's for my 16" stockers.
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I'll be anxiously awaiting your answer I'm thinking about getting the MX's for my 16" stockers.
Ill know for sure on sunday whether they are any good
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I'll be anxiously awaiting your answer I'm thinking about getting the MX's for my 16" stockers.
Alright, my tires will be here on the 24th... But I did pick up my wheels today

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Hehe, you got the Spoon knockoff rims. They look pretty good, I'd hit it.

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Old 03-17-2003, 09:51 PM   #21
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NOOOO, you wont have them for the auto-x on Sunday .

I wanted to see how well those things worked!
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Old 03-17-2003, 10:18 PM   #22
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I have the 215/45/16 Falkens on my Conversion. It RPM does sit a little higher, but not by much, and I now have a extra 750RPM with EJ20T. And since my Blue Suby is my Toy and it doesn't get too many miles on it, I'm not worried about the Speedo being off.....only about max performance.....for the price of course.

Steve, Dan, I may also go to the Autocross on Sunday......but I would have to run in the Full Modified devision As I cannot say my car is stock anymore......



kidatari.....I'm in Lincoln too.....so if you want to see what the Falken 215/45/16 look on a RS with stock wheels.....your welcome to come over. Let me know. That is if you are looking at both tires......if not....

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Old 03-18-2003, 12:34 AM   #23
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Eddy:

I thought you moved the RS wheels over to the Wagon? I see it at Sac State and it has your 6-spoke RS wheels on there (havnt looked at the tires). Did u get a 2nd set of 2000-2001 wheels for the RS?
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Old 03-18-2003, 12:52 AM   #24
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VERY expensive compaired to the Falkens or MX's, and actually not as sticky. The S-03's are a better all daily driver tire though.

I'm getting my MX's (225/50/16) and my new wheels this week, ill report back then
KIDATARI, are your new rims 7 inches wide? reason I am asking is I am concerned a 225/50/16 will not fit the stockers since they are 6.5 in wide. Please correct me if I am wrong ( which more times then none I am

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Old 03-18-2003, 01:32 AM   #25
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Steve, Dan, I may also go to the Autocross on Sunday......but I would have to run in the Full Modified devision As I cannot say my car is stock anymore......

EddyL.
Kick ass!!! Theres gonna be alot of us there, so its all good... And with the falkens and the ej20 with the RS gearing, you might not do too shabby
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