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Old 03-08-2003, 07:10 AM   #1
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Unhappy Racing is not safe on public roads...

Just a little information from your concerned law enforcement WRX owner...

Last night on Rte.28 near Dulles airport, two vehicles were racing at excessive speeds (not WRXs thank goodness). They were witnessed by numerous vehicles that were travelling at around 65mph and stated that they had never seen cars pass them that fast.

When one of the cars appoached the exit ramp to the Dulles Toll Road, a car came off the ramp and pulled in front of him/her. No where to go...WHAM! The two cars flipped and basically disintegrated all over Rte.28. Two people had major trauma and had to be medivac-ed to Fairfax Trauma Center. One of them was not even involved in the "race".

The second car that was racing was viewed by witnesses to continue northbound towards sterling swerving through traffic at continued high speeds.

The investigators estimated the speed of the striking vehicle at over 100mph due to the amount of damage caused and the distance the wreckages travelled.





I will only say it once...don't do it...save it for auto-x or MIR. The streets are not designed for this, and the other motorists are unpredictable.

And only God can help the driver of the "racing" vehicle. Enough witnesses stopped and gave statements to the officers, that IF the driver survives their injuries, they are looking at quite a few years in prison.
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Old 03-08-2003, 08:42 AM   #2
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I am too chicken to go that fast.

I'm just wondering what do you think of stoplight races? I've done it before, making sure there is no one in my path, and I'll only go to the middle of 3rd gear, which is usually a little higher than the normal speed of traffic. I would think that I would be is much more control than people racing to 110+. The acceleration is way better than the high speed.

I'm looking to legitimize what I've done in the eyes of the law, just to give an idea that some people are much more catious about what they do.

Edit: Also I hope you catch and punish all the offenders. Putting people at risk of injury or death is heinous. I don't think I could live with myself with that kind of blood on my hands.
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Old 03-08-2003, 09:35 AM   #3
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I am too chicken to go that fast.

I'm just wondering what do you think of stoplight races? I've done it before, making sure there is no one in my path, and I'll only go to the middle of 3rd gear, which is usually a little higher than the normal speed of traffic. I would think that I would be is much more control than people racing to 110+. The acceleration is way better than the high speed.

I'm looking to legitimize what I've done in the eyes of the law, just to give an idea that some people are much more catious about what they do.

Edit: Also I hope you catch and punish all the offenders. Putting people at risk of injury or death is heinous. I don't think I could live with myself with that kind of blood on my hands.
The middle of 3rd gear? a little higher than the normal speed of traffic? 2nd gets to just over 60. They don't put stoplights on roads with 80mph speed limits, right?
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Old 03-08-2003, 01:32 PM   #4
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sometimes i race up to the top of 2nd gear, then just drop it right into 5th and cruise. If a cop saw me do that, would i get a ticket?
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Old 03-08-2003, 01:53 PM   #5
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street racing, stoplight racing, and just driving agressively get the big F-you. :monkey:

dont be an dumbass
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Old 03-08-2003, 04:59 PM   #6
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street racing, stoplight racing, and just driving agressively get the big F-you. :monkey:

dont be an dumbass
hollah!
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Old 03-08-2003, 06:03 PM   #7
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I saw about 10 cop cars, and a car flipped over off the right side of the road near the dulles toll road exit about 11:20pm last night. this was traveling northbound... cops were searching the area by flashlight. Could'nt see the flipped over car that well, but it did'nt look pretty.
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Old 03-08-2003, 06:21 PM   #8
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Speaking of dumbasses:

Super TNR TV.

They just featured drift racing on the streets. You could see these a-holes at 60+MPH sideways passing a big rig and fishtailing to setup for the next corner. Then the jackass brothers say don't do this on the streets at the end of the segment.

Pull the show!
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Old 03-08-2003, 06:27 PM   #9
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yep...the accident ocurred about 9:30-10:00 pm. I was working in a different part of the county then, but I heard the incident on the radio. By 11:20 they were still searching for debris to assist them in judging speed and fault.



IMHO...Accelerating fast is not necessarily bad. But if you are doing it next to someone else and playing stoplight chicken...well, when is enough enough?


Be safe, avoid the ticket. AUTO-X and dragstrips. Or go somewhere away from all others and risk your own life. Just don't risk MINE! Or my wife's! Or anyone I know! Or anyone I've sworn to protect!

<stepping down of soap box>

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Old 03-08-2003, 08:06 PM   #10
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it was probably a honda. sheesh.. darn things are racing all over the place..

i guess it's not a kidding matter.. anyway.

street racing is stupid.. by "racing" away from a stop sign/light and then just cruising can still get you a ticket. it's still racing, it's accelerating accessively.. or something..
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Old 03-08-2003, 08:50 PM   #11
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This morning the cops were still out fairly in force patroling that area when I went through there this morning around 8AM.
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Old 03-08-2003, 09:00 PM   #12
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sometimes i race up to the top of 2nd gear, then just drop it right into 5th and cruise. If a cop saw me do that, would i get a ticket?
YES, or a warning if you are lucky.

Even if you don't go above the speed limit the whole time, they can give you ticket for 'Rapid Start'. Been there done that. Speaking from experience. Luckly, I didn't get a ticket, but was a valuable lesson.

(If you break traction and cause wheelspin, that's another ticket FYI)
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Old 03-08-2003, 09:17 PM   #13
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hahah Its called reckless. Vienna and Fairfax give those out like candy !!
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Old 03-08-2003, 09:56 PM   #14
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The middle of 3rd gear? a little higher than the normal speed of traffic? 2nd gets to just over 60. They don't put stoplights on roads with 80mph speed limits, right?
Hmm. I don't redline usually, and its more the bottom of 3rd gear, around 70 - 75 mph. The only time I've done it is on the parkway where most people go about 60 - 65 mph.

elgorey: ouch. I guess we'll have to disagree on this one. I don't condone racing up to 110 or taking the twisties too fast, I think as long as you are positive you are in control and safe (not the BS "oh I can handle it" crap) a little spirited driving is ok. I hope if we ever meet you won't hold it against me.

gonzosquirrel: I swear the only person I'm putting at risk is me. I don't think it's a big risk at all, but I would not do anything to hurt anyone else. Like I said, I don't think I could live with that.

About 2 months after I got my car I raced a civic and did a powerslide into a neighborhood. In front of a lady in a volvo. I was in complete control but I practically crapped in my pants. It scared me straight, I even wrote my college essay about it. I'd like to think that I've struck a happy medium between safe driving and enjoying the car. I think there are many things that are much more unsafe than going 0-70 as fast as possible. I see idiots weaving and/or not using their signal on the beltway. Cutting people off. Road rage. Those things are true irresponsibility, and I hope you don't group me with those people.
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Old 03-08-2003, 10:09 PM   #15
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I'm looking to legitimize what I've done in the eyes of the law, just to give an idea that some people are much more catious about what they do.
HOLY CRAP!!!! I meant I'm NOT looking to legitimize! Jesus, that was bad.
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Old 03-08-2003, 10:49 PM   #16
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so, back to the original story.... who were the guys (girls?) involved?? Where they teenagers ?

That's my guess, until I'm proven wrong.

A couple of years ago some kid right up the street here, at Great Seneca high school, killed himself on his lunch break. Couldn't negotiate a turn on Middlebrook at 90 MPH and hit a light post.

poor kid....... poor parents.


Don't let someone sucker you into doing something you know isn't safe.
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Old 03-09-2003, 01:07 AM   #17
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Stupid people!

When will these idiots learn?

I was up in the area around that time, but didn't head that way (near the Access Road) until later. I'm gonna ask my sister what she may know. She works the Fair Oaks District during the day, but have heard some info. about the collision.
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Old 03-09-2003, 03:00 AM   #18
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could i really get a ticket for accelerating quickly, even if i wasn't racing anybody? I don't do it all the time, but maybe 1 or 2 times a week, i'll floor it to the top of 2nd gear from a light where the speed limit is 55. I don't get above 60, though, and never break traction (i love awd). I'm sure some cops would love to pull me over for it for some reason. I would never race somebody up to 100 on a public road where other cars are around. Plain stupid. I hope everyone involved comes away from it OK and learns something.

If i wasn't involved in autocrossing, I'd probably be more likely to drive aggressively on the street. Anyone who ever has the urge to drive aggressively on the street needs to go to an autocross.
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Old 03-09-2003, 03:25 AM   #19
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Much like "Conduct unbecoming" in the military, there is always something they can get you on. You might accelerate quickly under perfect control on an empty road with no spectators and get a ticket for some stupid thing like "public display of speed."
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Old 03-09-2003, 04:31 AM   #20
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the new aggresive driving rules are bogus...
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Old 03-09-2003, 07:46 AM   #21
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The "new" agressive driving laws are there for a reason. You can call them bogus if you are old enough to vote and you excercise your right to elect officials that support your stance.

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A new driving offense, aggressive driving, has been added to Virginia’s motor vehicle laws. Motorists will be guilty of aggressive driving if they commit one or more specific violations, such as following too closely or failure to observe lane marked for traffic, with the intention to intimidate, harass, obstruct or injure another person. Aggressive driving will be punishable as a Class 2 misdemeanor. Aggressive driving with the intent to injure another person will be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor. (House Bill 1342)
Now knowing the actual law, you cannot claim ignorance. I have no problem with it ... if people drive like that, ESPECIALLY in an attempt to scare or injure other motoroists I say F' EM.

I really wish there was such a thing as an unobtrusive, date stamped vehicle mounted , CHEAP vidcam so I could have proof of all the idiots that drive like this around me !

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Old 03-09-2003, 08:10 AM   #22
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Yes there are laws (they change from state to state) for accelerating fast.

Here is Oregon it is called Exhibition of speed

811.125 Speed racing on highway; penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of speed racing on a highway if, on a highway in this state, the person drives a vehicle or participates in any manner in any of the following in which a vehicle is involved:

(a) A speed competition or contest.

(b) An acceleration contest.

(c) A test of physical endurance.

(d) An exhibition of speed or acceleration.

(e) The making of a speed record.

(f) A race. For purposes of this paragraph, racing is the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain, outdistance or prevent another vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another vehicle or vehicles or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long distance driving routes.

(g) A drag race. For purposes of this paragraph, drag racing is the operation of two or more vehicles from a point side by side at accelerating speeds in a competitive attempt to outdistance each other, or the operation of one or more vehicles over a common selected course, from the same point to the same point for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds or power of acceleration of the vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or time limit.

(2) The offense described in this section, speed racing on a highway, is a Class A traffic violation and is applicable on any premises open to the public. [1983 c.338 §568; 1985 c.16 §287]

Class A violation is the highest that you can get without being a crime. They don't F*** around here due to the fact that there have been 4-5 deaths due racing.

I guy I worked with got a $7,000 ticket for racing his DSM GSX on I-5 at speeds of 115+
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Old 03-09-2003, 11:17 AM   #23
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Wow. I didn't know racing was so well defined in the law. I thought that it was mostly officers discretion.
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Old 03-09-2003, 01:53 PM   #24
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Default Aggressive Driving 'Law' IS bogus

It's a political law. A law passed by politicians wishing to either gain votes or avoid losing votes.

There's nothing new in the aggressive driving law that was not already covered by an existing law. The only thing they did was create harsher penalties(which is fine by me, no pun intended).

"Motorists will be guilty of aggressive driving if they commit one or more specific violations, such as following too closely or failure to observe lane marked for traffic,..."

All of those things are already covered in the motor vehicle code.

"...with the intention to intimidate, harass, obstruct or injure another person."

Assault, or attempted assault, with a deadly weapon. I'm sure there are others.

Personally, I'd rather someone be charged with "Assault with a deadly weapon" than "Aggressive driving".
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Old 03-09-2003, 03:45 PM   #25
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(c) A test of physical endurance.
Maybe they should arrest people for running marathons on public roads. How dare they.

What is a test of physical endurance? Maybe trying to drive for 24 hours straight or something?

They could probably do without that one.
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