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Old 03-09-2003, 03:30 PM   #1
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Unhappy Traffic Violation Question

Well, I got a ticket (for those of you who know me, no smart remarks cuz I'm already mad at myself as it is).

Anyways, I was driving from Berkeley to Davis around 2:20AM. Since it was an open road with only maybe 1 or 2 cars every 10 to 15 miles and I really wanted to get home fast (it's about an hour driving distance), I started to zone out. Before I knew it, I was going 90 mph (look at the edit please, I made some mistakes in my recollection).

Now, I'm just going to accept this as my fault because I knowingly and willingly did speed when I looked at the speedo. My question is since I was going 90 mph, can I still go to traffic school to clear this point (never gotten a ticket before for my nearly 5 years of driving, stupid me to get it now )?

EDIT: To get the full story, I started to also zone out on the road ahead and only look at the road without looking at my speedometer. I drove past some rice rockets and realized that rumble of the exhaust went by rather fast, so I looked at my speedometer and slowed down (due to the 90 mph). I changed to the right lane because there was a car up ahead, so if I accidently zone out and just watch the road, I'd just be pacing the car. 30 seconds later, the CHP pulled me over.
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Old 03-09-2003, 03:47 PM   #2
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damn bro, i am sorry, i have no clue, he got you for 90?!
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Old 03-09-2003, 03:52 PM   #3
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Yeah, I don't know how he did it cuz I was watching both sides of the road. I think he was tailing me, but I don't think he followed the 3/4 mile rule for tailing. Anyways, I still accept the citation as I did it knowingly and willfully.
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Old 03-09-2003, 04:10 PM   #4
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I got a ticket last summer heading south from Eureka to Sacramento and was just a bit north of Garberville (notorious CHP area) and got clocked at 87 in a 65 and was not able to do traffic school. The court official or clerk stated "you cannot do traffic school if you were doing over 15 mph over the speed limit in Humboldt county."


So I paid the state of california and felt so bad about breaking the law and making the subaru community look like a bunch of lawless rebels..................NOT

I investigated your question back then and came up with contradictory statements. Of course lawyers run the world so straight answers dont exsist. But according to the sac city website the 15 mph rule isnt a rule in sac.

But..I have read other cites that have stated that it is the whole of california...........so one must conclude that County juristiction or City jurisdictions can and do interpret the law........


So to your answer I give you an affirmative maybe from my small knowledge base. I will check other sources just cause law interests me
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Old 03-09-2003, 04:37 PM   #5
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yeah dont ever speed around the weigh station. thats where the chp station is. believe me. i drive on that freeway everyday and i always see 2-4 chp there. those bastards like to hide on on ramps and gun you so you wont even know they r there.

gargantua was right i think. you cant go to traffic school if you get a ticket for going over 15mph over the speed limit. it may vary between courts cuz i think my ticket specified that u cant go if u go over 20mph but i could be wrong. i caught a lucky break at least cuz the officer just wrote me for 75 in a 65 when i was really going 85. he was cool. he was from vallejo too and kinda hooked me up.

how much did u get written down for? hope everything works out. guess its like a year of granny driving for u now huh? just like the rest of us.
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Old 03-09-2003, 04:40 PM   #6
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Hrmm, ok; the weird thing is I think it's along the lines of what Gargantua said because I heard one of my friend's friend go to go to Traffic school for a 97 in a 65.
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Old 03-09-2003, 04:50 PM   #7
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Well I looked through the state of california vehicle code on the states website and found nothing. Its a huge document and maybe its in there but there were several other laws about speed limits and county/city jurisdictions.


My advice to you is to call the court first thing monday and ask them that question directly ...............maybe you will have to beg the judge. Of course there are those beat your ticket dot com places too, which i no nothing about their credibility. Many guys in this club will give you hope that you can Beat the ticket period. Laws are made for two reasons. One to keep the people safe and to generate revenue.
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Old 03-09-2003, 05:06 PM   #8
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Thats ****ty, I always try to slowdown around from Fairfield to around Vacaville, it used to be(probably still is) one of the most patrolled/ticketed stretches of highway in CA. Can't help you with the traffic school, maybe beg the judge. Good Luck.
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Old 03-09-2003, 07:06 PM   #9
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your 25 over the speed limit, automatic court date as far as I know. Your lucky you didn't get arrested on the spot.
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Old 03-09-2003, 07:16 PM   #10
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you could try to delay to court date and fight it.. hoping the cop goes on vacation or doesnt show up. then you get your ticket dismiss.. if the cop does show up. just apologize and show sincerity. hope the judge is in a good mood. that way he might let you off easy and let you go to traffic school.. at least its worth a try..
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Old 03-09-2003, 08:07 PM   #11
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Impreza01.

I read your post in OT and want to tell you that even when I got my first speeding ticket in over three year that depsite the fact that I could not go to traffic school and got one point on my record did not make my insurance rates go up at all. Dont panic ,so your out 200+ bucks which is a pain......but its not like you got a reckless drving or some other type of real misdemeanor
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Question is, how old are you Gargantua? I think that might make a big difference...
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Old 03-09-2003, 08:25 PM   #13
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Question is Gargantua how old are you, I think this might make a big difference....
I am so old I make dirt look young. I am 45. Good point, so you are inferring then that insurance policies and procedures make bigger punitive decisions on younger guys than those of us in our twilight years? So your question brings up insurance age bias and preference.

Yeah your rates drop (males) when you get over 27, but (this is just my logic) Why would you get your rates increased for X infraction while us older guys dont? I think that the point system is just the point system. Raising rates for over 2 or 3 points is what I have learned is what happens and is a universal application not dependant on age of driver. I think I am correct..
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Old 03-10-2003, 12:53 AM   #14
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I forget which county I was in, but I was way up in NorCal on the way back from Oregon a few years ago and got 90 in a 65.... in a torrential rain storm. I did traffic school.
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Old 03-10-2003, 01:32 AM   #15
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What's this 3/4 mile rule for tailing? For example if you're doing 80, and have been tailed for a few miles, and you get a little lead footed and go up to 90 and the lights go on immediately, does that break the tailing rule?
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What's this 3/4 mile rule for tailing? For example if you're doing 80, and have been tailed for a few miles, and you get a little lead footed and go up to 90 and the lights go on immediately, does that break the tailing rule?
The tailing rule is that the CHP must tail you for 3/4 of a mile and check the speed of his speedometer frequently before he pulls you over. The CVC didn't say if he can pull you over at lowest or highest speed during observation. I don't think he did that nor I don't think I was going 90 mph for too long. But that's beside the point.

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Old 03-10-2003, 03:32 AM   #17
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The tailing rule is that the CHP must tail you for 3/4 of a mile and check the speed of his speedometer frequently before he pulls you over. The CVC didn't say if he can pull you over at lowest or highest speed during observation. I don't think he did that nor I don't think I was going 90 mph for too long. But that's beside the point.
Oh really! score I think this will help me in my case. If possible could you point me directly to a helpful website?

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Old 03-10-2003, 04:17 AM   #18
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Oh really! score I think this will help me in my case. If possible could you point me directly to a helpful website?
I'm sorry, but I don't know where to get it. All I remember is that it's a specific paragraph about tailing for speeding in the California Vehicle Code (CVC) book. There're other rules like cops can't pull you over for speeding with a radar unless you're going over 7 mph the posted speed limit or 10 mph over with vascar. It's somewhere in the cvc book.

Any idea about my own problem?
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Old 03-10-2003, 12:10 PM   #19
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even if u get a point on your record, i dont think your insurance will go up after your 1st violation in hella years. I think they'll mail u something if u can take traffic school. i dont remember.

i got a ticket a lil over a year ago going to Davis on 680N right b4 the 680/80 junction. got me for 85

theres nuttin wrong wit doing 90. its easy in our cars especially on 80 in the middle of the night. Hell.. i do 90 all the time.
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Yeah your courtesy notice in the mail should say whether you can take traffic school. It depends on whether it is a one point or two point violation.
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Old 03-10-2003, 05:20 PM   #21
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As a good rule, don't speed when tired.
If you catch yourself zoning out, just slow down, or stop and rest.
You probably know that, and it sounds like you do, but it should be said for the benefit of others.

Hey, you never said what the cop wrote on the ticket and what the speed limit was.
You said you were doing 90, and people inferred you were in a 55 zone doing 25 above.
It would also be handy to see what violation # the cop wrote you up for.

1 point a year won't hurt insurance.

If this is your first offense in a year and a half, you should be able to go to traffic school unless there are some specifics in that area you were caught in.

If you were alone in the car, you can not win if you claim the officer did not pace you properly, as he gets more say than you do, being a sworn officer.

The rules about the pacing law are why you should always brake hard when a cop starts following you.
100-55mph in 50 ft, prevents the officer from pacing you. He can still cite you for braking unecessarily, or claim you were trying to kill him and just shoot you, but if he wants to screw you, he can any day even if you are doing nothing.

I just saw a BMW do this on hwy 17 last week.
Cop came flying up from the rear, got near the BMW in the left lane. BMW braked hard down to 50, a little too fast I thought, then moved right. The cop kinda lingered for a moment then sped on looking for the next target.
All these police speeding around looking for speeders without their lights flashing makes me want in-car video recording.
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Whoops, yeah, CHP wrote me a 90 mph for a 65 mph. This is my first violation.

The thing is, when I figured it was CHP lighting behind me, I knew I will get dinged. Most CHP cops are not real officers (at least what I read on ticketassassin.com), but deputies and sheriffs. Now, I'm not saying this is true, just a conjecture, but who joins the force without going through a police academy? I'm guessing people who want to be vigilantes but do it through more legal protocols or people who are on power trips. Thus, with CHP, one is likely to get ticketed.
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ouch... i just got a ticket like yours... i got cited for 90+mph... but the cop wrote on my ticket that the speed limit was 80... so does anyone know if this will be a one point or two point ticket? am i eligible for traffic school?
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ouch... i just got a ticket like yours... i got cited for 90+mph... but the cop wrote on my ticket that the speed limit was 80... so does anyone know if this will be a one point or two point ticket? am i eligible for traffic school?
Definitely eligible as you didn't go past 100mph (I'm assuming cuz 100+mph = jailtime) and you were only 10 mph higher. But mine is 25, so I don't know about my part.
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Speeding is one point unless 100 or above.
If there are no other violations, it is just one point. Often you get reckless or something else when going more than 20 above if they want to bust you good.
The 80 speed limit is pretty darn odd.
I don't know if you can get off on that or not.
What is the violation number?

Impreza01 what was your violation #?

Depending on what they put down, you might have better chances of fighting it.
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