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Old 03-10-2003, 11:17 PM   #1
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Has anyone else seen the news on Vishnu's site? They had a red EVO VIII on the dyno. Someone must have been there and seen it. What's the HP baseline reading ?

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Old 03-10-2003, 11:33 PM   #2
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Old 03-10-2003, 11:50 PM   #3
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Looks like Shiv won't spill the beans but I understand why. I'll have to stop by and see her myself.

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Old 03-11-2003, 12:06 AM   #4
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cant wait for the #'s to come out.. id like to see what we are up against
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Old 03-11-2003, 02:17 AM   #5
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I got to test drive one of these cars today and definitely a much nicer car (power, handling and braking) than a stock WRX. It will take a Vishnu Stage 0 WRX (old setup) on take off and top end but doubt that it will do any damage to a Vishnu Stage 2 car. If given the choice between a stock WRX with mods equalling a sum of 30K or over, I would buy the Evo stock because it's a turn key ricer, I meant racer. The suspension is nice and tight but the body seems to have little insulation. I could hear outside noise like a window was open. I got to drive the yellow one and it is a serious "look at me" car. Not my cup of tea because I prefer the stealth look. If your interested in my short review click on this => http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=327472
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Old 03-11-2003, 02:49 AM   #6
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I'm a little dissapointed with the EVO... It basically seems like a WRX if it came with a VF30 standard instead of our TD04. No electronic center diff, no front LSD, and no 6sp like the JDM version. I was expecting the EVO to be a lot closer to the 04 STI but I guess the STI will be in a league of its own. The 2.5L and 6sp make it worth the extra money alone.

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Old 03-11-2003, 03:16 AM   #7
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I'm a little dissapointed with the EVO... It basically seems like a WRX if it came with a VF30 standard instead of our TD04. No electronic center diff, no front LSD, and no 6sp like the JDM version. I was expecting the EVO to be a lot closer to the 04 STI but I guess the STI will be in a league of its own. The 2.5L and 6sp make it worth the extra money alone.

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IMO, its really hard to say at this point. Initially id agree with you about the STi. All the goodies it lists certainly makes it seem untoucable. But really we will all have to wait and see what RRE and Vishnu are able to do before we count the EVO out.

I myslef am debating wether Id get a plain ol WRX, a EVO or the STi. Id like to say Id just get the STi, but at just over 30k (which will be about anywhere from 3-5k more than the EVO, dealer markups not-withstanding) it may be to steep for my blood. Im also interested in what options, if any, Subaru will offer with the Sti.

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Old 03-11-2003, 11:49 AM   #8
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Only 180 to the wheels!

SRT-4 >> Evo 8

$19,995 >> $40,000++

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Ouch! That's only 17whp more than my WRX made stock. I hope those guys figure it out. I'd be pretty upset with Mitsu.

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Old 03-11-2003, 01:54 PM   #10
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Some other place was able to get a little more out of it tho:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...threadid=16115

so who knows...
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Old 03-11-2003, 01:56 PM   #11
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Only 180 to the wheels!

SRT-4 >> Evo 8

$19,995 >> $40,000++

Yea I know, but there still no WAY id buy a neon. See what the car looks like after 2 years of hard driving...

That and its still FWD. Take the 2 cars to a real race track (ie one with turns, both left and right) and Ill bet the EVO does a lot better

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Old 03-11-2003, 02:21 PM   #12
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Some other place was able to get a little more out of it tho:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...threadid=16115

so who knows...
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Yah...but those numbers are meaningless when compared to Shiv's. Those "higher" numbers are from converting the Evo to FWD...which means slightly more than crap to me.
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Old 03-11-2003, 03:51 PM   #13
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Yah...but those numbers are meaningless when compared to Shiv's. Those "higher" numbers are from converting the Evo to FWD...which means slightly more than crap to me.
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Old 03-11-2003, 05:18 PM   #14
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Wouldn't the Evo have more drive train loss than the WRX? I mean, look at how simple Subaru's transmission is, and then look at the Evo's ... just seems that way to me.
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Old 03-11-2003, 06:20 PM   #15
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How is the Evo's tranny more complicated? It seems like an almost identical AWD system to me.

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Old 03-11-2003, 06:56 PM   #16
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How is the Evo's tranny more complicated? It seems like an almost identical AWD system to me.

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Because on the mitsu's you have the tranny then the center diff split between the front and then the transfer case to the drive shaft then finally to the rear. I would expect a slight bit more loss but not what Shiv's finding.
Even when picking up 6-8hp with more octane that's alittle dissappointing. But I know it will be cheap and very easy to modify to make quicker as he has shown with advancing timing and minimal tuning.
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Old 03-11-2003, 09:54 PM   #17
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I don't know who this Shiv guy is but he sure has stirred the *****.
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Old 03-12-2003, 01:17 AM   #18
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Well you know, these numbers don't actually seem far off. Look at it like this:

Figure a 30% drivetrain loss for the WRX and a 33% loss for the EVO:

227 * .7 = 158.9
271 * .67 = 181.57

So the numbers actually look pretty dead on. The EVO guys just can't bare paying almost 10k more for 20 more whp

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Old 03-12-2003, 11:12 AM   #19
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The EVO is basically a FWD car that's been made AWD, so it's tranny takes a little more complicated of an approach to get power to the rear wheels since the engine is mounted transversely. Lucky for us Subarus are designed from the get-go with AWD in mind, so our engines are mounted as God intended and thus have a much more straightforward method of dishing out the power.

I haven't looked much but I'm curious to see what boost levels the EVO is running stock. And what size is the motor, 2.0 or 2.2? Honestly, I'm happy to see it here. This is probably the most exciting small car market we've seen in years with the new Z, WRX, STi, EVO and SRT-4. I just hope all this competition doesn't bring about all the one-upmanship that killed the japanese sports car market in the mid 90's (300ZX, RX-7, Supra or 3000GT for $40k+ anyone?).

Oh, and EVO vs WRX price actually isn't that big if you just look at base sticker price.

WRX sticker: $24.5k
EVO sticker: $28.5k

difference: $4k

Sure it's over 10k more right now at dealers but give it a few months, if mitsubishi ramps up production we'll see 'em offered at a couple hundred above invoice just like we see with the WRX.
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Old 03-12-2003, 12:26 PM   #20
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I haven't looked much but I'm curious to see what boost levels the EVO is running stock. And what size is the motor, 2.0 or 2.2?
mitsu claims 19psi peak w/ a taper to 16psi near redline.. its a 2.0L..
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Old 03-12-2003, 06:20 PM   #21
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Those numbers ARE disapointing. I still remember seeing that WRX at Vishnu dyno at 209 to the wheels with just a full catless exhaust system and a MBC...

However, simular mods to an EVO plus ECU remaping could result in large power gains, same goes for the STI
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I guess the dissapointing part is the actual rated HP when you consider driveline loss. Seems like a 2.0 at 19psi could make more than that... hell WRX's at 19psi deffinately make more than that

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Old 03-13-2003, 07:41 PM   #23
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Well, I just talked to Brett at Vishnu and he has driven the thing around a bit and says it's Wicked Sick! He said you just have to drive it. Can't explain it he says. The handling is unreal he says. Blows the standard wrx away, even with the Vishnu stage 2. Much lower RPM turbo spool up. Well worth the money if you can get one for a couple two or three k over invoice...Just his $.02.
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Old 03-14-2003, 02:04 AM   #24
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Man... I can't believe all the rude remarks made by the Mitsu guys toward Shiv. All he's done is post some dyno numbers he's run on his dyno and these guys are jumping at his throat. Shiv, just sell that EVO and focus on your loyal Subaru fans Of course I wouldn't pass up the $$$$ if I were you either

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Old 03-14-2003, 02:47 PM   #25
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Hmmm, test drove this thing and got to ride in it at Shiv's and I gotta call you on the "blows stage 2" comment. A stock EVO beating a Vishnu Stage 2 WRX. I think many will disagree.
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