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Old 03-11-2003, 02:10 AM   #1
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Question To Wait or Not to Wait...(in need of enthusiast opinions)

Since placing an order for the WRX STi, time has seemed to grind to a vicious crawl: the car can't get here soon enough and, in my situation, has more to do with necessity than impatience. The purpose of this thread is not to bitch about allocation, dealership horror stories, or about car specs that can't be verified yet. Instead, I need your advice. It seems a fair majority of people on this forum know what they're talking about so I thought I'd give this a shot. Here it goes...

The lease on my current car is up on April 7th. I originally put an order in for an STi in the second week of January at Subaru of Stamford. As most of you are probably aware from this forum, the dealership has taken a dive and will be closing its doors before the STi's arrival. I'm now the first on the list for a black STi at Pleasantville in NY; however, I'm not confident this affords me any better a position than what I was in.

So here's the dilemma: I'm a 23 year old grad student whose current car lease is up in less than a month with maybe a temporary car solution until about late June. I want the STi but am not sure when I'll actually get one. Logic would dictate that if I really want the car then I'd suck it up and wait. The only other thing is that I'm not a car buff. I like speed, power, and good handling, although who doesn't? My point is that I don't race at a track, know anything about mods (except that they usually entail pushing the cars performance), and probably lack the expertise required to get 0-60 in 4.59secs. But on the other hand I have driven cars like the Audi TT and Audi S4 and can tell a difference between the driving experiences.

What should I do? Wait? Not Wait? What else should I consider if I decide to go with something else? I want a car that is at least 225hp, AWD, and under 30,000. What to do?

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Old 03-11-2003, 02:44 AM   #2
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i will do my best to help you out so bare with me:

used audi s4: AWD, 250hp
mitsubishi evo: if you find one for MSRP, 271hp, AWD and it is here now and it is a great car
wrx: you know the rest

other than these 3 i can't think of anything that will fit your demands.

i am in the same situation like you but i think i am going for a used s4.
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Old 03-11-2003, 03:08 AM   #3
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The only other thing is that I'm not a car buff. I like speed, power, and good handling, although who doesn't? My point is that I don't race at a track
Generally, if you like speed, power, and good handling, then you are a car buff, or more precisely, a driving buff.

If you are not interested in all-out ability, however, then the new facelift WRX should be there sooner than the STi, it should be significantly cheaper, and with the money you've save, you can upgrade the brake pads, rubber, and do some minor intake/exhaust modifications and still be under 30k. While it won't smoke an Evo or STi like cheap cigars, it will still be quite a fun package that will be reasonably quick - quicker than most drivers can exploit.

If you had a lot more time, I would wait for the Legacy Turbo to cross-shop against. Ah, and there is the upcoming Forester 2.5-litre turbo. While it's not normally a vehicle that enthusiasts would think of, if it does indeed come with the JDM Crossports suspension setup, it will be quite quick not just in a straight line, but around corners to boot. With it's large greenhouse and uprate interior (compared to the current WRX) it's a joy to drive.

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Old 03-11-2003, 03:15 AM   #4
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Eh, just get a regular WRX. I dont think you will mind You have alot of options in that reguard too cause the 04's should be here by april and the 03's sitting on the lots will be easily had for cheap.
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Old 03-11-2003, 04:17 AM   #5
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i second the vote for the 04 wrx. it's fast,looks good and fits your budget
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Old 03-11-2003, 06:29 AM   #6
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Wait as long as possible. If the STi isn't here when you absolutely *need* a new car, then get a regular WRX.
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Old 03-11-2003, 06:30 AM   #7
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I had been waiting to get the Neon SRT. So I bought a 2001 Neon to drive for a bit and then trade in when the SRT arrived. I got sick of waiting and bought a WRX about 3 months later. I traded the Neon in for $2k more than I paide for it. (I actually made about $1k on the deal when all was said and done). If you can pull off something like that you'd be in good shape.
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Old 03-11-2003, 08:51 AM   #8
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test drive a WRX and see how you like it.

And...you can extend your lease for a couple of months if you will be without a car. Something to think about.

Good luck
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Old 03-11-2003, 09:10 AM   #9
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You might also want to get an estimated insurance quote for the cars you're interested in. Depending on age and driving record, that could be a significant factor for some.
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Old 03-11-2003, 09:16 AM   #10
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Why don't you just extend your lease another 6 months? I think most dealers would be happy to do that. They'll get another $1800+ out of you and the car will only drop <$500 in value. Sounds like a good deal for them and allows you to wait for the STi.

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Old 03-11-2003, 10:35 AM   #11
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Wait!!! I was waiting since the wrx first came out for the sti til oct. 2002 now I regret it a bit since I have a wrx not an sti
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Old 03-11-2003, 12:25 PM   #12
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Well...I'm very happy to have received so many insightful responses. The best suggestion yet seems to be extending my current lease another few months. Moreover, I haven't even checked with the insurance company as to how much the STi would set me back a year. I'm still open to any and all suggestions.

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Old 03-11-2003, 01:17 PM   #13
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I would say wait. With the car being in very high demand when it is coming out, you'd be lucky to pay MSRP. For me I am not going to get the car right when it comes out, but rather wait another year or so when all the initial demand dies down. Extend your lease, wait for a bit, then get the car you want. In the mean time try to improve your driving skills. The WRX is already beyond the driving skills of the vast majority of its owners, and I dare say even the majority of the people on this board. The STi for most of its owners will just be a nice decoration in front of their garage rather than the true rally car it is.

The question would be: is it really worth the mid-30k to get that car? Have you even fully exploited the 227hp of the WRX yet? If you must get the STi, then by all means go for it. But still, wait a bit.
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Old 03-11-2003, 04:19 PM   #14
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The lease on my pickup was up in February. I trotted myself over to the Subie dealer and put a deposit on an STi, then walked with the sales guy to the used lot and picked out a nice '97 Legacy GT sedan to drive until the WRX STi arrives.

The only problem is I'm enjoying the space and (relative) creature comforts of the Legacy so much that now what I REALLY want is the rumored Legacy STi! I guess I'll have to get my deposit back and wait for the Legacy STi to be announced. And, in the meantime, mod the Legacy with the deposit money!
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Old 03-11-2003, 05:29 PM   #15
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WAFlowers, let me get this straight: you put down a deposit on the STi and the dealership worked out an interim deal? Did the dealer workout some kind of special lease for the legacy or what? Ideally I would like to, if possible, workout a special lease with my subie dealer for a used WRX. Do you think the dealer would be receptive to such an idea?


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Old 03-12-2003, 07:59 AM   #16
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WAFlowers, let me get this straight: you put down a deposit on the STi and the dealership worked out an interim deal?
Not really. Or maybe, sort of.

I got the used Legacy at what I think is a VERY good price and the dealer through in some necessary repairs free. I have a verbal agreement to be given the most favorable trade-in value when (if?) I bring it back in exchange for an STi.

However, I know that this car is of interest to some that hang out in the Legacy forum, so I'll probably private sell it there.

So I didn't really work out something special, except that the dealer is treating me very well knowing that they'll make big bucks on the WRX STi sale. Or, as I said, maybe a bit later on a Legacy STi sale.

In the meantime, I still have to install the sway bar from the Cobb Stage I suspension package I bought!
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Old 03-12-2003, 08:05 AM   #17
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You sound like the perfect candidate for a BMW 330i/ci or even an Infiniti G35. There is nothing wrong with that at all. My only point is that I think the STI will be more of an enthusiasts' car with a stiff suspension and a lack of the creature comforts that you are used to in the Audis that you mentioned. For the money and from what you described, I say go with more mass produced, luxo coupe/sedan.
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Old 03-12-2003, 11:12 AM   #18
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WRXURV8:

The funny thing about your post is that it's true: I would be very content to get either the 330i/ci, a G35, or even a Nissan 350Z. My only problem with each of these cars is that they're either too expensive or rear wheel drive only. I live in CT and typically it pays to have an AWD vehicle; however, during the spring and summer it doesn't matter. For argument's sake, one could push the view that the winter is only a minority of the year and that it doesn't snow all the time anyway. Moreover, I haven't decided where I'm going to go to law school in the fall of '04. As such, if I go further it would be nice to have an AWD car. The 330xi is certainly an AWD option, but it's much more demanding on the wallet, especially when the luxuries of an audi or bmw mean less to me than it might otherwise appear. I appreciate the input and, as I said before, the 350Z or G35 are nice alternatives which I have duly considered. Any car under 34,000 with AWD and more than 225hp is something I'll consider.

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Old 03-14-2003, 09:54 AM   #19
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If it wereme, there would three options:

Wait for the STi

Get a WRX and hope Prodrive offers upgrades (if you want more power at a later date - likely)

Check out the EVO VIII.
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Old 03-14-2003, 10:07 AM   #20
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Prodrive Power Packs are now available from Irvine Subaru

These are for the WRX.

There are three diffrent levels, and all three would offer excellent performnace.

Disclaimer *I am horny for prodrive stuff, so that's why I recommend it*
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Old 03-14-2003, 11:14 AM   #21
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Originally posted by thrdeye
"Prodrive Power Packs are now available from Irvine Subaru"

Sort of- those are "Pre-order only"... so it might be awhile...

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Old 03-14-2003, 11:41 AM   #22
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What's the deal with Prodrive? Do you they have a website explaining the upgrades? Would a prodrive upgrade essentially be the same as a Vishnu upgrade? Does that void the car's warranty? Is the warranty really that important anyway?

If I can find an '03 WRX for under 25k, it might be worth it in my case to maybe spend another $1,100 on a Vishnu upgrade instead of getting the STi. What do you all think?

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Old 03-14-2003, 11:43 AM   #23
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Scratch my question about a link to Prodrive. I just realized it after my post.
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