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Old 03-13-2003, 08:43 PM   #1
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Can anyone shed some light on the fitment and ride quality with these. I really like the idea of being able to adjust the ride height with out giving up the suespension travel. I am not looking at going low but to drop the front end done some and maybe a little in the rear. Found them for $1531 from world one performance, anyone know where it get a better price?
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Old 03-13-2003, 08:50 PM   #2
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Here's what you car will look like at the TEIN recommended heights. Personally, I love the ride quality. Lots of people complain about the pillowballs making tons of noise, but look at it this way, you have to sacrifice something for performance, IMO. At full soft, they offer a decently comfy ride, bit more stiff than stock, but that's to be expected with the stiffer springs. At full hard, they are really stiff, but the performance you get from them is outstanding! My recommendation to you, if you do get them, is to make sure, before you mount them, that you properlly torque the top strut nut to TEIN's specs. I believe it's 40lb/ft. Much easier to do off the car.
I wouldn't give them up! Plus, I love the EDFC option!
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Old 03-21-2003, 08:28 PM   #3
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Cool... the noise from the pillowball mounts, when does it occur?

Also, can you comment on how much road noise has increased after you installed the Teins?

Thanks!
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Old 03-21-2003, 10:04 PM   #4
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I have them as well.
Fitment is perfect, they are made to fit the car, even the brake line brackets/holes are right.
No noise issues form the mounts for me.
The stiff ride is what is most noticeable.
A little more vibration too.
The handling is much, much improved.
The ride height is real easy to adjust and you can go lower and higher too.

Make sure you really want a race suspension before getting them, in some situations it takes a bit more awareness and handling skill when on stiff springs.

As noted, torque the top nut before install.
Also set the height to the recommended measurements before install (much easier than after).
Check your spring perches too.
You don't want the spring to be wobbling around when unsprung or you might get slap when you hit those big bumps.
Definately get an alignment after installing them.

I think you can find Tein Flex for around $1500.
Sometimes the EDFC is in a combo deal and really cheap. $350 is a good price, I have seen them as low as $290 in a special deal.
Search in Vendor For Sale for Tein Flex.
Remember the EDFC is available for other cars as well, so search the net if you really want to go price digging.
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Old 03-21-2003, 10:24 PM   #5
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THe Tein settings are really low, I'd raise each corner 1/4" up. Line the bottom of the strut with the bottom of the green mount. Then raise it up via the spring seat. You will get more travel and it rides a little better. I only here the clunking rear pillar ball mounts going around 30mph or less over very sharp bumps. They work great on the track, put some way bars in too.
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Old 03-22-2003, 03:48 PM   #6
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I gotta agree with these guys, the FLEX are great. I had only one start to make noise after a month. Took it back to the shop and we torqued it back to spec. my car is about 2/3 of the way between factory and what TEIN says for height ( I really didn't want to bottom out). I've done 4 auto-x on them and am vary satisfied.

I love being able to pull the camber in at auto-x takes less then five minutes. The EDFC works well too. Not only for it's convience but cause otherwise I would always forget what I had them at.

They are a great street/track compromise ride quality is good and car is really stiff but hardly ever jarring.


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Old 03-23-2003, 06:16 AM   #7
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How much more road noise do you guys get with the Tein Flex compared to the standard struts/springs? Is it only over some surfaces?

Another question: about ride quality, would you describe it as firm (okay with me) or bouncy (definitely not okay, and not good for handling, either)?

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Old 03-23-2003, 09:06 AM   #8
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I'm sure the road noise is increased but not substantially (sp?). I rode on them with my stocks rim/tires for three weeks before switching over to my 17s and felt that there was more at that point.

There certainly isn't enough to over come the noise of my BPM TT. The ride is stiff. the only time you get a bouncy feel is when the road surface undulates alot. It isn't the suspension it's the road though. Also know that you're ABS will be very quick to come on when stopping on rough roads now too.

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Old 03-23-2003, 04:40 PM   #9
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I'm sure the road noise is increased but not substantially (sp?). I rode on them with my stocks rim/tires for three weeks before switching over to my 17s and felt that there was more at that point.

There certainly isn't enough to over come the noise of my BPM TT. The ride is stiff. the only time you get a bouncy feel is when the road surface undulates alot. It isn't the suspension it's the road though. Also know that you're ABS will be very quick to come on when stopping on rough roads now too.

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Thanks a lot for the info, Jeremy. When you switched between stock struts+stock wheels and the teins+stock wheels, did you notice any increase in road noise? For example, did you need to turn your radio louder than before when driving along the same roads?
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:31 AM   #10
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There maybe was a little bit more but not that noticable. The struts are noisy, there is a hydrolic sound you hear under compression, which is normal for coilovers from what I hear.

Also, my exhaust is pretty load so road/tire noise is only background to me at this point. I really don't notice it like I did when I switched to the 17's/Kumho's and had stock exhaust. I got my uppipe installed at the same time as the TEINs too so there is increased noise from that.

I guess I'm trying to say that I don't think there is that much increased noise from them other then the operational noise of the struts.

Hope that helps,

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Old 03-24-2003, 03:46 PM   #11
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Good info! I will be purchasing a set in the next month or so too. From all the reading i have done these seem to be the best for an everyday driver.

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Old 03-24-2003, 04:18 PM   #12
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resqdawg3:
do you have any other pics of your car? such as the side?

and has anyone gone from sti ver.7 strut/aftermarket spring combo to the tein flexs? if so, how do they compare..? any info would be really helpful.
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Old 03-24-2003, 05:21 PM   #13
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do you have any other pics of your car? such as the side?
This really won't matter much since the perch is adjustable.
You can run them at stock height, you can run them at their recommended 9cm road clearance, you can run them lower.
So picture your car however you want and then you can set them that way
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Old 03-24-2003, 07:19 PM   #14
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how the hell you guys torque the upper strut nut without turning the strut itself while torquing??? TEINS' does not recommend impact wrenches! So what's the DEALIO???
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This really won't matter much since the perch is adjustable.
You can run them at stock height, you can run them at their recommended 9cm road clearance, you can run them lower.
So picture your car however you want and then you can set them that way

that is true, no doubt... a great advantage over standard strut/spring combos.
reason i asked was that i wanted to see how the car sits/looks at the tein recommended ride height.
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:23 PM   #16
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Thanks everyone for the responses. Looks like the coil overs are a good deal so I should be ordering a set tomorrow. I am not going to go very low. Just touch the back down some but mostly level out the gaps from the front to rears. What settings are you guys running them at 16 levels of adjustability. Mind you that I do not track drive the car and it is a daily driver.
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...ahh, but they are sooooo noisy usually
great setup, bad engineering on the rear pillowball though
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alright... i don' t get it. tein is notorious for their coilovers clunking. do the flex's suffer the same ailment or not??? if i'm going to dump $1500+ into a setup, i'd prefer not to have to deal with clunking.
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how do the flex's compare to the cusco zero2r's anyone have any insight?
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how do the flex's compare to the cusco zero2r's anyone have any insight?
speaking of which... what is the pricing on the cusco zero2rs?
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how the hell you guys torque the upper strut nut without turning the strut itself while torquing??? TEINS' does not recommend impact wrenches! So what's the DEALIO???
Do it out of the car.
Lock the upper spring seat with the tein wrench, put torque wrench on topnut and pull.
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alright... i don' t get it. tein is notorious for their coilovers clunking. do the flex's suffer the same ailment or not??? if i'm going to dump $1500+ into a setup, i'd prefer not to have to deal with clunking.
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If by clunking you mean the hydrolic sound of the struts actually moving, then yes they do. It is noticable at slower speeds when you hit really bumpy sections of roads. I don't think I have ever really nitoced it as highway speeds or on normal roads.

If by clunking you mean a metal-on-metal noise then that is the top nut which seems to almost always need to be torqued before install. Most people have had no problems after torquing it to the TEIN specs. I myself had to have ONE retorqued after about a month. Took all of ten minutes. Had to put the car on the lift, remove the tire, remove the back seat and EDFC stepper then strap wrench the strut and tighten the topnut. No biggie!!


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speaking of which... what is the pricing on the cusco zero2rs?

The zero2R's are about 2000, but they have a higher spring rate, and they come with Camber ajustable pillowball mounts.

Thats why i'm torn between the two because I definitely love the EDFC idea, just wished it worked on the Tein RA's or something better than the flexs. Anyone ever ridden in both or used either?
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Please do a search..we have discussed the difference of all the coilovers at length many many times.

The Tein's as a rule actually do not clunk....we have been an authorized Tein dealer for a long time now, and only the Flex in a WRX and Integra make the clunk. The 'squish" sound, which admittedly a bit annoying as well, is due to the twin tube strut design...nothing you can do about it. It gets quiter over time, but is always there. The clunk stinks, and is a manufacturing issue, pure and simple. We have sold countless sets of Flex's, and installed about the half the ones we have sold here. Of those installed and sent mailorder, about 50% get the clunk, 50% do not, regardless if everything is torqued to spec or not. We have found the rear to be the culprit, and specifically, we suspect the manufacturing tolerances of the rear PBM bearing is the issue. We have never experience this clunk on a properly installed SS< RA, or the older HA's..only on the Flex, and only on the WRX and Integra. Seems it is basically pot luck if you get a non clunking set.

As for the comparison, the Flex is not really comparable to the Zero 2R's. Those would be comparable to the Tein RA, or JIC FLTA2..and we sell all three if anyone care for a quote (shameless plug ! The Flex has a much thinner shaft diameter, and the twin tube design. While the Cusco does not have a lot of dampening adjustment, they are an excellent coilover, albeit a bit stuff for my tastes. My favorites so far have been and remain the Tein RA with the 6kg front/5 kg rear setup, or the US valved JIC FLTA2...both are TREMENDOUS units for the money, and both totally transform the car with a minimal impact on ride quality.

And all Tein's for a WRX, save for the Wagon, come with pillowball mounts. The Cusco's are are available with and without mounts, the JIC's come with pillowballs for all models (SF, FLT and FLTA2)

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The zero2R's are about 2000, but they have a higher spring rate, and they come with Camber ajustable pillowball mounts.
Flexes also have these.

I've ridden in Zero2R's. They're extremely stiff. Flexes have a much more streetable ride, and at full stiff you get very little body lean.

You can order higher spring rates from Tein for something like $100/pair.

When you say "better", what do you mean? You do realize the Cuscos have a grand total of 4 damper settings, correct?
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