Who's got the best deal going on exhausts?

sdseagles · 03-14-2003, 06:08 PM

You know. . .bang for the buck. Best sound, performance, quality, etc all for a reasonable price? ScoobySport? Any and all input would be appreciated, thanks. Oh, by the way, this is for an '02 WRX

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Dr Moreau · 03-14-2003, 06:15 PM

HP & TQ Gain

Blitz....13.9 hp....15.3 tq
HKS.....13.1.........13.6
Skunk2...13.0....15.7
MRT........12.6......15.5
Cobb........12.6.....14.1
Supersprint....12.2.......13.7
5Zigen....12.0.....13.7
Thermal R&D....11.4.....13.4
Apex...9.9.......10.6
Greddy...9.8.......10.6
Tanabe....8.7....10.1
M2....7.1....8.7

sdseagles · 03-14-2003, 06:19 PM

Are you telling me that by changing out the stock exhaust for any of the above you only gain a maximum of just under 14 hp. Seems pretty weak considering most exhaust systems start at $1,000. Somehow I don't trust that chart. And how does that relate to cost, and other considerations?

ckyfish · 03-14-2003, 06:23 PM

turbo backs are $1000, those are cat backs

sdseagles · 03-14-2003, 06:28 PM

Ah. So I assume there's a big difference in hp gains simply by replacing the downpipe in addition to the cat-back? How much is normal? And again, who's turbo-back system meets the above requirements? Thanks again

ckyfish · 03-14-2003, 06:35 PM

the only real reason i see to get a turboback is to have matching parts and to say..."i have a turboback", if i had a wrx

i would get a downpipe and catback just to save money, as for the hp gains im not sure, do a search im sure youll find something

sdseagles · 03-14-2003, 06:43 PM

But doesn't a downpipe + catback = turboback?

wrex03 · 03-14-2003, 06:48 PM

Down pipe and cat back= turbo back regardless if the manufacturer is the same.

sdseagles · 03-14-2003, 06:50 PM

Ok, so let's get back to the original question, which is:

Quote:

Originally posted by sdseagles
You know. . .bang for the buck. Best sound, performance, quality, etc all for a reasonable price? ScoobySport? Any and all input would be appreciated, thanks. Oh, by the way, this is for an '02 WRX

Let's assume I'm talking about a turbo-back system, or at least a good downpipe/cat-back combo

TealFreak · 03-14-2003, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr Moreau
HP & TQ Gain

Blitz....13.9 hp....15.3 tq
HKS.....13.1.........13.6
Skunk2...13.0....15.7
MRT........12.6......15.5
Cobb........12.6.....14.1
Supersprint....12.2.......13.7
5Zigen....12.0.....13.7
Thermal R&D....11.4.....13.4
Apex...9.9.......10.6
Greddy...9.8.......10.6
Tanabe....8.7....10.1
M2....7.1....8.7

Anyone know where the Borla catback would fall on this list?

lobelsteve · 03-14-2003, 07:46 PM

Not all downpipe + cat backs = turbo backs.

Many downpipes end before the 3rd cat (midpipe) and so you'd have a downpipe, midpipe, and cat back.

02bump'nWRX · 03-14-2003, 08:17 PM

I too would like to know about the borla. Is anyone making big or mild HP with the borla..... or is it just for show and sound?

A-REX · 03-14-2003, 09:12 PM

TurboXS's website states that there TB exhaust is good for 26.5 whp. You can buy them from Garett at WorldOnePerformance.com - he sells them for like $1059 shipped. Nice increase in power and its suppose to sound sweet. Not too loud at idle and a nice boxer burble when on the gas!

sdseagles · 03-14-2003, 09:51 PM

Is that the turbo-back A-Rex?

el~sharko · 03-14-2003, 10:03 PM

Are these whp?

mlambert · 03-14-2003, 10:41 PM

sharky, yea those are whp gains, but they are measured by finding the biggest change on the graph and recording that difference and they are also done by a car magazine. Dont give those numbers much weight...unless you really like disappointments.

sdseagles, when ppl talk about exhausts TB stands for turbo-back. If youre looking for best bang for the buck, scoobysport should be near the last on your list. Its not cheap and doesnt flow as well as 3inch systems. If you want something in 2.5inch, go with buschur. $250 downpipe ($400 with cat) and $375 catback makes for a $625 TB, about half the price of scoobysport and higher quality.

Theres tons of options out there, you just gotta decide if you want to go catless or not. Then pick a catback that you like and match it up to the downpipe of your choice. Turboxs sells a midpipe that allows for their downpipe to be bolted up to any aftermarket catback. The perrin downpipe is the just about the highest quality piece on the market and vishnu even sells their own catback exhaust now (eventho I wouldnt call it a good deal at $795

).

A-REX · 03-15-2003, 12:48 AM

I have to disagree with you mlambert, TurboXS has dyno plots on their website showing the difference between the stock set-up and their own TB exhaust. The area under the curve with TurboXS is nice. It is even more linear in the 4500 rpm to 5500 rpm range than the stock set-up. This equates to smoother power.

On top of that...TurboXS is NOT taking the biggest change in the graph - they're going with peak horsepower. Plus, the TurboXS car hits its peak horsepower approximately 242 rpm quicker than stock.

Hayward and Scott · 03-15-2003, 01:52 AM

Check out Scoobysports (hayward and Scotts) from Rally Performance that complete system gives out 25 BHP.

mlambert · 03-15-2003, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by A-REX
I have to disagree with you mlambert, TurboXS has dyno plots on their website showing the difference between the stock set-up and their own TB exhaust. The area under the curve with TurboXS is nice. It is even more linear in the 4500 rpm to 5500 rpm range than the stock set-up. This equates to smoother power.

On top of that...TurboXS is NOT taking the biggest change in the graph - they're going with peak horsepower. Plus, the TurboXS car hits its peak horsepower approximately 242 rpm quicker than stock.

I wasnt referring to the turboxs claims at all.

What I was talking about is the HP and TQ gain list pasted by Dr Moreau. Thats from sport compact car or some other import magazine and they listed those gain numbers as the biggest gain anywhere on the chart compaired to stock. I dont take hp gain claims from import car magazines very serious. I take posted dyno plots from respectable companies like turboxs serious.

sdseagles · 03-15-2003, 09:17 AM

mlambert, what if I wanted a high flow exhaust with only one cat, would you still recommend the same? Is there a system with only one high flow cat that still opens up the exhaust, increases power and torque, but is still good quality and reasonably priced? Thanks again for everyone's input

wrx2.0 555 · 03-15-2003, 09:55 AM

Ya'll have all missed the piont-----

The best free flowing exhaust for the money comes from mexican food

Now, mexican food is catless, so you could see fireballs shoot out of the rear end..

But its good for at least 30-40 hp on the butt dyno...

glenihan · 03-15-2003, 11:12 AM

www.mattrandolph.com/wrx
check this out it should help a lot

--Glen

wrx2.0 555 · 03-15-2003, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by glenihan
www.mattrandolph.com/wrx
check this out it should help a lot

--Glen

Link didnt work..

Had to delete the wrx suffix to get to the site, then I clicked on "wrx stuff" on bottom left column. Found all sorts of cool stuff.

sdseagles · 03-15-2003, 01:24 PM

I seem to be getting a lot of recommendations for TXS. Do they have a turbo back with a single high flow cat? What is the exhaust note like at idle and WOT? Thanks

santofontana · 03-15-2003, 05:07 PM

Is the 2nd cat integral with the dp? DOes anyone sell this hypothetical short dp?

If that was the case I would leave the stock 2nd cat and get a custom pipe made after that with a cheaper universal muffler, eliminating the useless 3rd cat.

03-14-2003, 06:08 PM	#1
sdseagles Scooby Newbie Member#: 17296 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boca Raton, FL Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	Who's got the best deal going on exhausts? You know. . .bang for the buck. Best sound, performance, quality, etc all for a reasonable price? ScoobySport? Any and all input would be appreciated, thanks. Oh, by the way, this is for an '02 WRX * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

03-14-2003, 06:15 PM	#2
Dr Moreau Scooby Newbie Member#: 32106 Join Date: Jan 2003 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Central Cal Vehicle: 2002 WRX wagon Blue	from a magazine test - from another forum HP & TQ Gain Blitz....13.9 hp....15.3 tq HKS.....13.1.........13.6 Skunk2...13.0....15.7 MRT........12.6......15.5 Cobb........12.6.....14.1 Supersprint....12.2.......13.7 5Zigen....12.0.....13.7 Thermal R&D....11.4.....13.4 Apex...9.9.......10.6 Greddy...9.8.......10.6 Tanabe....8.7....10.1 M2....7.1....8.7

03-15-2003, 12:48 AM	#17
A-REX Scooby Newbie Member#: 8525 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: McMurray, PA Vehicle: 2006 Stang GT Black	TurboXS is NOT magazine numbers!! I have to disagree with you mlambert, TurboXS has dyno plots on their website showing the difference between the stock set-up and their own TB exhaust. The area under the curve with TurboXS is nice. It is even more linear in the 4500 rpm to 5500 rpm range than the stock set-up. This equates to smoother power. On top of that...TurboXS is NOT taking the biggest change in the graph - they're going with peak horsepower. Plus, the TurboXS car hits its peak horsepower approximately 242 rpm quicker than stock.

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03-14-2003, 06:19 PM	#3
sdseagles Scooby Newbie Member#: 17296 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boca Raton, FL Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	Are you telling me that by changing out the stock exhaust for any of the above you only gain a maximum of just under 14 hp. Seems pretty weak considering most exhaust systems start at $1,000. Somehow I don't trust that chart. And how does that relate to cost, and other considerations?

03-14-2003, 06:23 PM	#4
ckyfish Scooby Newbie Member#: 32641 Join Date: Feb 2003	turbo backs are $1000, those are cat backs

03-14-2003, 06:28 PM	#5
sdseagles Scooby Newbie Member#: 17296 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boca Raton, FL Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	Ah. So I assume there's a big difference in hp gains simply by replacing the downpipe in addition to the cat-back? How much is normal? And again, who's turbo-back system meets the above requirements? Thanks again

03-14-2003, 06:35 PM	#6
ckyfish Scooby Newbie Member#: 32641 Join Date: Feb 2003	the only real reason i see to get a turboback is to have matching parts and to say..."i have a turboback", if i had a wrx i would get a downpipe and catback just to save money, as for the hp gains im not sure, do a search im sure youll find something

03-14-2003, 06:43 PM	#7
sdseagles Scooby Newbie Member#: 17296 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boca Raton, FL Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	But doesn't a downpipe + catback = turboback?

03-14-2003, 06:48 PM	#8
wrex03 Scooby Specialist Member#: 29963 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: chicago Vehicle: 04 sti silver	Down pipe and cat back= turbo back regardless if the manufacturer is the same.

03-14-2003, 07:46 PM	#11
lobelsteve Scooby Specialist Member#: 31992 Join Date: Jan 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Canton GA Vehicle: 2007 STI UGM	Not all downpipe + cat backs = turbo backs. Many downpipes end before the 3rd cat (midpipe) and so you'd have a downpipe, midpipe, and cat back.

03-14-2003, 08:17 PM	#12
02bump'nWRX Scooby Newbie Member#: 22182 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sylvan lake/ Calgary Alberta Vehicle: 2002 WRX, 1970 VETTE Silver	I too would like to know about the borla. Is anyone making big or mild HP with the borla..... or is it just for show and sound?

03-14-2003, 09:12 PM	#13
A-REX Scooby Newbie Member#: 8525 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: McMurray, PA Vehicle: 2006 Stang GT Black	TurboXS's website states that there TB exhaust is good for 26.5 whp. You can buy them from Garett at WorldOnePerformance.com - he sells them for like $1059 shipped. Nice increase in power and its suppose to sound sweet. Not too loud at idle and a nice boxer burble when on the gas!

03-14-2003, 09:51 PM	#14
sdseagles Scooby Newbie Member#: 17296 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boca Raton, FL Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	Is that the turbo-back A-Rex?

03-14-2003, 10:03 PM	#15
el~sharko Scooby Specialist Member#: 29735 Join Date: Nov 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Westminster,MD Vehicle: 2011 JSW TDI - DSG 2008 EVO X MR	Are these whp?

03-14-2003, 10:41 PM	#16
mlambert Scooby Guru Member#: 13831 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 99 problems but a bitch aint 1	sharky, yea those are whp gains, but they are measured by finding the biggest change on the graph and recording that difference and they are also done by a car magazine. Dont give those numbers much weight...unless you really like disappointments. sdseagles, when ppl talk about exhausts TB stands for turbo-back. If youre looking for best bang for the buck, scoobysport should be near the last on your list. Its not cheap and doesnt flow as well as 3inch systems. If you want something in 2.5inch, go with buschur. $250 downpipe ($400 with cat) and $375 catback makes for a $625 TB, about half the price of scoobysport and higher quality. Theres tons of options out there, you just gotta decide if you want to go catless or not. Then pick a catback that you like and match it up to the downpipe of your choice. Turboxs sells a midpipe that allows for their downpipe to be bolted up to any aftermarket catback. The perrin downpipe is the just about the highest quality piece on the market and vishnu even sells their own catback exhaust now (eventho I wouldnt call it a good deal at $795 ).

03-15-2003, 01:52 AM	#18
Hayward and Scott Vendor Member#: 33949 Join Date: Mar 2003	Check out Scoobysports (hayward and Scotts) from Rally Performance that complete system gives out 25 BHP.

03-15-2003, 09:17 AM	#20
sdseagles Scooby Newbie Member#: 17296 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boca Raton, FL Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	mlambert, what if I wanted a high flow exhaust with only one cat, would you still recommend the same? Is there a system with only one high flow cat that still opens up the exhaust, increases power and torque, but is still good quality and reasonably priced? Thanks again for everyone's input

03-15-2003, 09:55 AM	#21
wrx2.0 555 Scooby Specialist Member#: 21383 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: South East Vehicle: 2010 Trek EX-5	Ya'll have all missed the piont----- The best free flowing exhaust for the money comes from mexican food Now, mexican food is catless, so you could see fireballs shoot out of the rear end.. But its good for at least 30-40 hp on the butt dyno...

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glenihan Scooby Newbie Member#: 23134 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: northern NJ Vehicle: 2002 impreza WRX silver	www.mattrandolph.com/wrx check this out it should help a lot --Glen

03-15-2003, 01:24 PM	#24
sdseagles Scooby Newbie Member#: 17296 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boca Raton, FL Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	I seem to be getting a lot of recommendations for TXS. Do they have a turbo back with a single high flow cat? What is the exhaust note like at idle and WOT? Thanks

03-15-2003, 05:07 PM	#25
santofontana Scooby Specialist Member#: 26876 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: 1990 GMC Sierra 4x4 350ci Vehicle: 1994 Camaro Z28 383 Black M6	Is the 2nd cat integral with the dp? DOes anyone sell this hypothetical short dp? If that was the case I would leave the stock 2nd cat and get a custom pipe made after that with a cheaper universal muffler, eliminating the useless 3rd cat.