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Old 03-14-2003, 10:23 PM   #1
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Default Wow. Stromung SUCKS

I had a Stromung twin-tip exhaust put on my Legacy Outback wagon in 2000, at the Stromung HQ. I was the first Legacy OB wagon owner to have a Stromung installed, according to Scott.

Today I was literally shocked when I was looking under my rear bumper, checking out my hitch, when I noticed that where the muffler pipe enters the REAR of the canister is almost totally rotted with rust!

I have lived ONLY in sunny SoCal since I had it installed.

Wow. That sucks. I mean, maybe my car expels a ton of water and it just sits there in the pipe but I think not.

They make these things out of what? Mine wasn't SS but come on.

Better look into the warranty.

Bummer.
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Old 03-14-2003, 10:39 PM   #2
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So what's the issue? Mild steel mufflers and pipes rust....
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Old 03-14-2003, 11:06 PM   #3
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Rusted out in two years? In a climate that has rain maybe ten days a year? It seems pretty weak that it should rust in that amount of time.

SoCal is a DRY climate, in case ya didn't know!

If two years before rust is normal in SoCal, a muffler would last six months, tops, in Florida or the Rust Belt, or up in Oregon. I used to live in Eugene, Oregon where buddy it rains and a cheapo Midas muffler lasted at leat three years on my old 76 Ford van.

Get the issue?
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Old 03-14-2003, 11:19 PM   #4
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I have done tons of research on Stromung and have been warned about that situation...even though it seems so many people love them, I found quite a few sources that said rusting and quality were issues. I'm gonna go with Hayward & Scott, sold by Rally Performance.
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Old 03-14-2003, 11:35 PM   #5
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Old 03-15-2003, 12:19 AM   #6
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Mako - just the exact reason why the iON/Brullen systems are a better bang for the buck comes only in 16 gauge T304
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Old 03-15-2003, 12:21 AM   #7
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Exactly, Im buying the Brullen soon myself.. And with certain things like the PROECM, if they didnt dyno it, they didnt test it.. If its a chip thats not capable of learning, than what good is it?
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Old 03-15-2003, 01:21 AM   #8
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You guys are lame Buy some naval jelly, clean off the rust, and high-temp paint it. Problem solved.
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Old 03-15-2003, 01:26 AM   #9
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You guys are lame Buy some naval jelly, clean off the rust, and high-temp paint it. Problem solved.
Most people are like myself, they want to put parts on and semi-forget about it. If you're smart, you'll buy all stainless exhaust components, and instead of buying worthless chips, just get your ECU reflashed when its possible.
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Old 03-15-2003, 02:20 AM   #10
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dood...shouldve gitten SS, wat do u expect?

it's unfair to compare the MS version to other catbacks in its class since most all are SS.

most people that have problems with their stromung, it's cuz they got the MS one. In fact, when i saw the title of this thread i KNEW you got a MS one.


I have a SS one and it's fine. I just "semi-forgot" about it.
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Old 03-15-2003, 02:24 AM   #11
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Most people are like myself, they want to put parts on and semi-forget about it. If you're smart, you'll buy all stainless exhaust components, and instead of buying worthless chips, just get your ECU reflashed when its possible.
Two years is a long time. And yes, you should have gotten SS if you didnt want to worry about it. If you dont want to get your hands dirty, then you always have to pay more, no matter the product.
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Old 03-15-2003, 02:28 AM   #12
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okay first off, Mild steel rusts, water is a BYPRODUCT of combustion. what do you think is going to happen??

secondly sueing these people is not the answer and all it does is clog the legal system and waste peoples money.

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Old 03-15-2003, 12:47 PM   #13
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My Strommung rusted out in two years also, i wasnt surprised, i though Id save 50$ by ordering mild steel. I could have avoided it. Since then, i do everything right the first time and i have a SS Strommung on my car now.
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Old 03-15-2003, 02:28 PM   #14
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Default Naw. Two years is too little

Kostamojen, others, you can say what you like about should have gotten Stainless Steel, but the issue here is two years to rust-through in Los Angeles area weather is unacceptable, IMO.

If I was writing from Seattle, or some state where they salt the roads, maybe. Up in Oregon, I would have bought SS. I didn't figure I'd really need to in Southern California. When I bought it, I wasn't trying to be cheap, I just figured I wouldn't need it! Oregon=Rain and rust. Los Angeles=Dry.

Water by-products from the engine also shouldn't eat through a muffler in two years. Hell, my old 86 Buick Century's stock muffler lasted four years!

And like I said, that old Ford van of mine had a cheapo Midas put on and it lasted over three years, actually, through three rainy winters and springs. And that's a $179 muffler, not $355!

I'd laugh if someone looked me in the eye and said, "You're moving to LA? Watch out, rust is a big problem out there!" It's not like I bought slicks and then wrote in, wondering why I have no traction off-road.

Whatevah. If I move to the damn near-desert climes, I don't figure on rust being a big problem for my cars. Stromung makes crappy MS mufflers. Glad to hear the SS holds up--as well it should.

Cheers,

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Old 03-15-2003, 04:22 PM   #15
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Well, I have the SS Stromung, and all the welds are rusted..
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Old 03-15-2003, 04:37 PM   #16
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Most people are like myself, they want to put parts on and semi-forget about it. If you're smart, you'll buy all stainless exhaust components, and instead of buying worthless chips, just get your ECU reflashed when its possible.
Like it's been said already.."You should've gotten the Stainless Steel one"

I just don't get it. You save $50 bucks now just to have to buy another muffler within some years....So that's.....Save $50 now...then pay $300 a few years down the road?...... Beats me why anyone even bothers with the Mild Steel version.

Just pay a little extra now and get the Stainless steel one. The only thing you'll have to worry about is keeping it nice and shiny...It gets dirty easily. Vinegar should clear that right up.
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Old 03-15-2003, 06:54 PM   #17
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Buy the mild steel version, spend $6 on some good high-temp paind and paint it before you install it. Problem solved. And that can of paint will last awhile too If it still does rust, like I said get some naval jelly and clean it up then repaint it. Better than new... I dont understand the difficulty with this concept? Maybe cause nobody who complains has tried it
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Old 03-15-2003, 10:37 PM   #18
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Oh...and MOST muffler shops use aluminized steel. My exhaust looks great on the outside, but inside its black and starting to rust in a few places. Hate to say it, but when it only rains 5x a year...thats the worst...but also, how many puddles do you drive through...dirt, dust, it all effects it.

Sorry, but the mild steel version isnt going to last long anywhere that there is rain/snow on a constant basis

ANOTHER thing, most mufflers rust from the INSIDE - OUT. The condensation from combustion causes the water to sit..why do you think you see steam coming from tailpipes when its a cold morning. It all effects the steel.
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Old 03-16-2003, 12:57 PM   #19
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A long time thought of mine... you buy cheap, you buy twice. I've had my SS Stromung for 2 years, 34000 miles through brutal Michigan winters. Clean it once a week to pretty it up (except in the winter) and it looks great. No rust anywhere. A bit does develop over the winter around the welds, but it basically wipes off with some Barkeepers Friend.
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Old 03-16-2003, 01:26 PM   #20
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Everyone seems to think the whole thing is, buy cheap and get screwed--a principle I usually totally agree with! I wear a Rolex Submariner on that principle, as well as own Swarovski binoculars. Spending $$$ for quality I am willing to do.

But I'm also not a spendthrift. I think about my purchases. Simply put, no one has addressed my point that when one moves to a dry clime, one assumes rust isn't exactly a big problem. Have you ever seen car classifieds from here? For old classic cars, they'll often say, "Rust-free California car" because people know that SoCal goes easy on frames and bodies. That was my thinking. I was, and still am, shocked that there is that much rust on it while residing in dry Los Angeles weather for two short years. At the time, I also felt stainless was somewhat "bling bling."

However DDman's post about rust from inside out is good, and probably true. Though this rust is on the outside. Scared to think about the inside.

Stromung's mild steel is crap if it can't survive two years in Southern California.

Anyway, the biatch is rusted, I deal with it and move on. These things happen. Next time, stainless.

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Old 03-16-2003, 02:57 PM   #21
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I think a couple of folks pointed out the exhaust systems build up mosture...especially if most of your driving is 10 miles or less. Not enough heat builds up to get rid of the moisture from inside the system, it sits there without much of a way out. And we know the rest of that story.

Wayner

Who also has the MS version.
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Old 03-16-2003, 03:08 PM   #22
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Everyone seems to think the whole thing is, buy cheap and get screwed--a principle I usually totally agree with! I wear a Rolex Submariner on that principle, as well as own Swarovski binoculars. Spending $$$ for quality I am willing to do.


I agree, I spent $150 on a set of Oakley sunglasses about 3 years ago, and they are almost perfect...not a scratch on the lenses and the clearcoat is chipped on one ear stem them and only the little ear-socks have been replaced. I wear these ANY day its sunny and in any sports I play. Best $150 Iv spent on sunglasses! Spending more on quality does pay off.
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Old 03-16-2003, 03:13 PM   #23
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Don't forget that that moisture in the exhaust is mixed in with all kinds of caustic nasties from the exhaust itself, possiably acclerating the corrosion process. Also, I noticed on my muffler there is no drain hole for excess moisture as are on many factory and aftermarket mufflers.
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Old 03-16-2003, 04:50 PM   #24
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Don't forget that that moisture in the exhaust is mixed in with all kinds of caustic nasties from the exhaust itself, possiably acclerating the corrosion process. Also, I noticed on my muffler there is no drain hole for excess moisture as are on many factory and aftermarket mufflers.
The one's that don't have it are easy to spot. Just look for the guy who has a nice swishing pool of water in his muffler. I think thats funny
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Old 03-16-2003, 05:28 PM   #25
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Mine was just over two years old when I saw this:



I don't take any short trips. My work is 35 miles away so it's not from that. I e-mailed Stromung to ask if it was normal but they never replied so I put the info up here to warn others:

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/sho...=&threadid=372


The sad thing is I love the sound. I went and replaced it w/ a SS one. The time I got my Mild Steel one SS wasn't avaliable. If you have a mild steel one I say drill a small weep hole at the bottom back of the muffler to let out the moisture that obviously gets caught in there and rusts it out from the inside.

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