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Old 03-17-2003, 11:47 AM   #1
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Default Another political resignation as the war looms

This time in the UK:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2857637.stm

Robin Cook, leader of the House of Commons in the UK, is resigning. Big, big blow to Blair. Makes one wonder if Blair will continue to commit political suicide by continuing to support this war...
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:52 AM   #2
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Is this a new Xbox game?
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:53 AM   #3
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Yeah... it's called Stop the Armageddon... keeps getting delayed, though... hopefully it becomes Vaporware
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:54 AM   #4
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The lack of a realistic opposition party in Britain means that Blair MIGHT survive any Iraq war, but frankly, his political future is balanced on a knife edge. If I was a betting man, and assuming the Conservative party can produce a genuine leader, Blair is done - stick a fork in him.
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Old 03-17-2003, 12:02 PM   #5
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Pretty much what happened to Maggie Thatcher last time, too...

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Old 03-17-2003, 12:02 PM   #6
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Default HALO II: IRAQ

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Yeah... it's called Stop the Armageddon... keeps getting delayed, though... hopefully it becomes Vaporware
Yep it's already "vaporware". We're going to war, buckle up people. The UN has already recalled their inspections teams, they are due in Cypress tomorrow.

The only way war can be avoided at this point is if Saddam decides that exile is better than termination.


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Old 03-17-2003, 12:17 PM   #7
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Default Re: HALO II: IRAQ

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Yep it's already "vaporware". We're going to war, buckle up people. The UN has already recalled their inspections teams, they are due in Cypress tomorrow.

The only way war can be avoided at this point is if Saddam decides that exile is better than termination.


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Well I guess since we're already over there, we might as well kill a few thousand people. I'd hate to see my tax dollars wasted .

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Old 03-17-2003, 12:20 PM   #8
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Question subysouth:

You had a doubt that it wasn't going to end this way?

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Old 03-17-2003, 12:22 PM   #9
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Yep it's already "vaporware". We're going to war, buckle up people. The UN has already recalled their inspections teams, they are due in Cypress tomorrow.

The only way war can be avoided at this point is if Saddam decides that exile is better than termination.


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Where should I buckle up???

Sorry, I just find that saying REALLY wierd
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Old 03-17-2003, 12:26 PM   #10
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Where should I buckle up???

Sorry, I just find that saying REALLY wierd
LOL! I know it's weird, but you know what it means right? Prepare yourself for what is about to happen, probably a reference for the days before laws regarding mandatory seatbelt use?

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Old 03-17-2003, 12:46 PM   #11
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So theres one less politician living off of the taxes paid by others? Thats a bad thing how?
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Old 03-17-2003, 12:52 PM   #12
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So theres one less politician living off of the taxes paid by others? Thats a bad thing how?
So, you would prefer an autocracy?
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Old 03-17-2003, 01:03 PM   #13
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If Saddam actually called Bush's bluff and did leave the country, Bush would still take over and occupy Iraq.
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Old 03-17-2003, 01:04 PM   #14
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You had a doubt that it wasn't going to end this way?

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I only had hope. But it appears we are as weak as everyone says we are. So weak we cant admit mistakes and so weak we cant stand down even when its the right thing to do.

Bush made it clear yesterday when he said Saddam could step down and we wouldnt attack. Apparently the US believes it is in the world policing business, so crack your checkbooks, build your fallout shelters and hold on for the ride.

It is obvious to me now(as many others have already stated) that Bush intended to attack Iraq no matter what Saddam did. I find it interesting that Bush is still saying, you have one last chance to disarm. Now that he has ordered the UN inspectors out of the country, how would he even know whether Saddam is complying? Saddam has said all along he is complying and disarming. Oh yea, they did find that model airplane, I forgot about that .

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No I like the concept of democracy. The question is do you really need the amount of politicians that there are? Especially career politicians. When was the last time you heard somebody in Congress or the White House say, "you know the economy is in the crapper so me and the rest of the Congress and Senate have waived our yearly salary that you pay us. No really, because of all the stalling and backroom deals we really haven't done much this year anyways."
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Old 03-17-2003, 01:11 PM   #16
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Saddam has said all along he is complying and disarming. Oh yea, they did find that model airplane, I forgot about that .
You're smarter than that suby. You believe Saddam? You remember Blix's first report, where he detailed the tons of unaccounted for VX, and the thousands of liters of unaccounted for anthrax? Haven't heard a word about those lately.

Do you honestly believe Saddam's word over the US/UN's?

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Old 03-17-2003, 01:24 PM   #17
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You're smarter than that suby. You believe Saddam? You remember Blix's first report, where he detailed the tons of unaccounted for VX, and the thousands of liters of unaccounted for anthrax? Haven't heard a word about those lately.

Do you honestly believe Saddam's word over the US/UN's?

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Well for me its kinda a toss up and let me explain cause thats actually an excellent question.

When you say "unaccounted for," this is correct and lemme tell you several problems with that. The US destroyed numerous chemical weapons sites at the end of the Gulf War(which led to the only exposure of US troops to these chemicals during the war and which the US government lied to their own troops about for years.) Saddam's contention is not that they are unaccounted for, but that they have been destroyed.

So there's the problem. How does someone prove something doesnt exist? In this case, I am gonna have to shift the burden to the accusors. He said he destroyed it, prove he didnt. Find the stuff. If they dont find it until after they go in, I doubt I will ever believe the findings unless there is a clear Iraqi chain of custody. I guarantee the US military is capable of planting evidence.

The US government has lied about almost every aspect of their dealings with Iraq. Saddam's an a-hole by nature. To me right now, its a tossup.

The UN has not found wmd so dont loop them in there with the US btw. They have merely said Iraq is not complying with paperwork and allowing Iraqi scientists to be interrogated alone. If I was an Iraqi scientist I wouldnt want to be interrogated alone either. I can see serious pitfalls there.

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Old 03-17-2003, 01:39 PM   #18
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Lightbulb subysouth:

While our government is far from "lily white" in terms of its innocence or past history of underhanded actions, it would sound as though you'd rather side with Saddam. Are you more willing to give this facist killer more benefit of the doubt than your own government in the country YOU choose to live in?

Puzzling.

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When you say "unaccounted for," this is correct and lemme tell you several problems with that. The US destroyed numerous chemical weapons sites at the end of the Gulf War(which led to the only exposure of US troops to these chemicals during the war and which the US government lied to their own troops about for years.) Saddam's contention is not that they are unaccounted for, but that they have been destroyed.
Actually, you're incorrect there. Blix has stated numerous times that Iraq is claiming that Iraq destroyed their weapons, not that they were destroyed in the war. And if they did it in a conscious effort, you'd think there'd be documentation to prove it.

From his January presentation: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/spr...anscript.blix/

"Iraq said that the small quantity of [the] agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally
destroyed in the summer of 1991."

and

"I turn to biological weapons. I mention the issue of anthrax to the council on previous occasions, and I come back to it as it is an important one. Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 liters of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction. There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared and that at least some of this was retained over the declared destruction date. It might still exist."

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France, Germany, and Russia are now in "political" time-out .

Hans Blix has done a bang up job of destroying the concept that weapons inspections will ever work again. He'd better call ReadyTemp.

I wonder if we'll wait until after Friday (muslim prayer day) or move in on Wed/Thu.

I give a 50/50 chance that Saddam will survive the next 2 days.
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I give a 50/50 chance that Saddam will survive the next 2 days.
What, you think he's just sitting in an open field somewhere? Maybe we can just send some guy in with a handgun to shoot him.

Id give him a 50/50 chance of surviving the next 9-10 months.
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While we're on the subject of resignations, why doesn't Colin "I screwed up my job so I'll just blame the French for everything" Powell resign? He is another guy whose credibilty is going down the tubes.
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Thumbs up I love France too!



LOL!

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I'll tell you other names who could go over this issue Jacques Chirac has managed to crawl out on a limb over this. A thick limb yes, but a limb nontheless.

Any leader that has backed Bush has done so against the wishes of very significant % of his/her population.
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