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Old 03-18-2003, 09:13 PM   #1
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I looked at the Lancer EVO today at the local Mitsu dealer here in the suburbs of Philadelphia PA. Wow! Very nice Recaro seats, with LOTS of leg room. I was very impressed with the front seat leg room.
I hope the new STi (and all other new Subarus) have a lot more front seat legroom than they have had. If not, I'll have to stray from Subaru again. The last time I ended up buying an Audi S4 so that I could get the extra legroom.
I'd prefer to buy a Subaru, so I'll wait to see a new STi before looking at a Lancer EVO again.
By the way, the Mitsu dealer is asking $3,000 over sticker for the EVO cars. The sticker price, with the big wing, and a glass sunroof and destination chg, was approx $30,800. So its about $33,800 with the $3K "market adjustment". They claim that other dealers in this area are charging $6K-$9K over sticker for the EVO. They also told me that they expect their competition (Subaru dealers who get STi vehicles) to charge over sticker as well.

Anybody have any thoughts on the leg room issue?
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Old 03-18-2003, 09:39 PM   #2
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It's going to have exactly the same leg room as the new WRX.

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Old 03-18-2003, 09:48 PM   #3
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The front leg room is almost identical.

From the EVO site

Headroom (in., front/ rear) [with Sunroof]: 39.9/36.7 [39.1/36.4]


Legroom (in., front/rear): 43.0/36.6


Shoulder Room (in., front/rear): 54.1/53.3


Hip Room (in., front/rear): 51.2/50.2


Passenger Volume (cu. ft) [with Sunroof]: 95.1 [93.7]


Cargo Area (cu. ft.): 10.2


Maximum Seating Capacity: 5


From the STi Spec sheet

HERE

it says that the legroom is 42.9"

almost everything is really close. Including the weight (from what we have been told here
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Old 03-18-2003, 09:50 PM   #4
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Is the new WRX any better than the old one in this regard? I test drove an Evo today, then sat in an 03 WRX, and there is a huge difference in both front and back seat legroom, almost enough to make me reconsider the Evolution (which, by the way, is an awesome car!). I guess I will have to wait for June to be sure...
Whoops, that post above was not there a minute ago, anyway they dont list the rear legroom for the STi...
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Old 03-18-2003, 11:05 PM   #5
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Old 03-18-2003, 11:13 PM   #6
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A little off topic for the question. However, do you own a 1967 Camaro?
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Old 03-18-2003, 11:15 PM   #7
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gsx95 and max,
Thanks for the input.
I must agree about the radical difference in front seat legroom between the new Lancer EVO and the '03 WRX. Even though the stats show legroom numbers are very close, the reality is that there is probably six more inches of front seat leg room in the EVO.
I've noticed over the years that the comparison numbers for leg room are totally useless. You have to go and actually sit in the cars.
I'm 6'0", so I'm not especially tall. But I want enough leg room for long trips. And my front seat passenger (usually my wife) wants lots of leg room. The two Subarus (Legacys) we currently have are totally unacceptable in terms of front seat leg room; and the Imprezas are the same.
I wish Subaru would be more accomodating in terms of legroom.

One thought. I noticed that the EVO's front legroom is greater than the legroom in the regular Lancer. Am I imagining that, or are the Recaro seats tracks in the EVO longer than regular seat tracks?
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Old 03-19-2003, 01:38 AM   #8
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My friend is 6'4 and is super comfortable driving my 03 wrx. The lancer is almost identical to the wrx. Except its a mishibish and slower then the sti.
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Old 03-19-2003, 03:09 AM   #9
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How did you have the seat setup in the WRX? Was it droped down to the floor, or raised up? I found that there is CONSIDERABLY more room if you raise the seet up instead of droping it down low.

I'm 5'10" and I have to sit pretty close even in my old impreza to event operate the gas/clutch properly Did you try driving it around to see how that worked?
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Complaints about front legroom on the Legacy is not something I normally hear, much less the WRX/STi. I think we have a problem here of personal sitting style, as opposed to the usual driving style.

And I wasn't particularly impressed with the Evo cabin, and didn't notice any difference in driver's space. The interior always pops to mind immediately, though.

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Man, don't let something as trivial as legroom sway your decision.

I'm slightly over 6' and lanky and I don't even put the seat in my WRX all the way back - not even close! Try driving one around and adjusting the seat higher, as someone else suggested. New driving positions can feel awkward at first, but there should be plenty of room in the WRX or STi unless you like the gangsta-low-rider-look-out-the-rear-side-window-with
your-hat-on-sideways position.

If comfort on long trips is going to be a deciding factor you shouldn't consider either the EVO or the STi. The EVO has a tiny gas tank and the ultra quick steering will make it a pain (almost dangerous) on really long trips. I presume the STi will be more comfortable on long trips but we'll just have to wait and see to be sure.
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Well, I am 6'1", and I was able to get comfortable in the WRX and Evo driver seats, but I feel bad for anyone sitting behind me in the Subie- I think I will have to move the seat forward when I am driving if I get the STi. However, in the Evo, after I adjusted the driver seat to my liking, I could still sit quite comfortably in the back, and my knees did not even touch the seat backs. There is an amazing amount of leg room in the rear of the Evo, while the WRX is basically a "four door 2 seater". Since I have 2 kids, this may be a concern for me. I also just don't like the concept of four doors without the implied convenience that goes along with it. I hope they find a few inches of rear legroom in the newer Impreza, though I fear it will be the same. There was a point in my life where I would have laughed at concerns like this- I guess I am getting old...
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I found that there is CONSIDERABLY more room if you raise the seet up instead of droping it down low.
I have my seat all the way down. My problem isn't that I can't stretch out my legs (I'm close to 6'), but my shins are very close to the steering column, I've had bruises from hitting it on a few occasions. I think that would be worse with the seat higher. I saw a WRX driver using a knee pad at an auto-x recently, so I know I'm not the only one with this problem.

So better leg room would definitely be a big plus!
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Considering that the EVO is a bigger car than the Impreza (103.3in wheelbase vs. 100in and 178.5in length vs. 173.4in), having more legroom is not surprising.
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I looked at the Lancer EVO today at the local Mitsu dealer here in the suburbs of Philadelphia PA. Wow! Very nice Recaro seats, with LOTS of leg room. I was very impressed with the front seat leg room.
I hope the new STi (and all other new Subarus) have a lot more front seat legroom than they have had. If not, I'll have to stray from Subaru again. The last time I ended up buying an Audi S4 so that I could get the extra legroom.
I'd prefer to buy a Subaru, so I'll wait to see a new STi before looking at a Lancer EVO again.
By the way, the Mitsu dealer is asking $3,000 over sticker for the EVO cars. The sticker price, with the big wing, and a glass sunroof and destination chg, was approx $30,800. So its about $33,800 with the $3K "market adjustment". They claim that other dealers in this area are charging $6K-$9K over sticker for the EVO. They also told me that they expect their competition (Subaru dealers who get STi vehicles) to charge over sticker as well.


Anybody have any thoughts on the leg room issue?
When I bought my RS back in 1997, I took out my stock seat for a aftermarket Cobra daytona seat with harness holes. I did this for racing purposes and for comfort. (I'm kinda big at 6'1 and 240lbs.)What shocked me was that i got 3 additional inches of legroom. Whenever people suggest that they cannot "fit" into a certain car, I always suggest getting a different seat with new ground brackets, it makes a tremendous difference.

Some people are completely turned off when they won't fit in a car. Its really to bad when a fairly simple seat changeout (ones that can look like stock ones too) will make such a huge difference. Pro-basketball players must all do this with their cars. (however they spend alot more $$ doing it) Custom brackets were fairly cheap at $100. A new comfortable seat may cost around $500.

I may go this route with my Sti.

Truly,

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This confuses me.... I am 6'3" and I don't sit with the seat all of the way back, two notches up for daily driving. Although this is in an RS, there is minimal difference.

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$3K over sticker? Wait a couple of months and you'll get it for $2K under sticker. It's very expensive to be the "first on the block".
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This confuses me.... I am 6'3" and I don't sit with the seat all of the way back, two notches up for daily driving. Although this is in an RS, there is minimal difference.

Chin
That's the problem with evaluating leg room - different people situate their legs differently when driving. So what is expansive legroom for some tall people is not enough for others of exactly the same size, but using a different leg positioning to the pedals.

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I'm 6'6" with a 36" inseam so I feel qualified to reply here. I was amazed at the amount of legroom I have in my 03 WRX wagon. If I slide the seat all the way back I have trouble reaching the pedals. I usually drive with the seat one notch forward. I have also sat in the backseat behind the driver (granted it's my 5'0" wife) and had plenty of legroom in the backseat as well. I bought the wagon for it's increased headroom over the sedan.
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Hey Tealfreak, try putting the drivers seat in the position you drive it in, then get in the back- I really don't want crush my kids legs when they are behind me! This was no problem in the Evo...
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I have my seat all the way down. My problem isn't that I can't stretch out my legs (I'm close to 6'), but my shins are very close to the steering column, I've had bruises from hitting it on a few occasions. I think that would be worse with the seat higher. I saw a WRX driver using a knee pad at an auto-x recently, so I know I'm not the only one with this problem.

So better leg room would definitely be a big plus!
What I am trying to say is that the heigh ratchet on the WRX seat moves the seat up and BACK not just up. More like a / angle, so by moving it up it moves back some as well making more leg room.
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Hey Tealfreak, try putting the drivers seat in the position you drive it in, then get in the back- I really don't want crush my kids legs when they are behind me! This was no problem in the Evo...
Oh I see. Well that is a problem. I'm lucky cuz our kid can sit behind my wife (if/when we have one that is!)
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