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Old 01-24-2012, 11:55 PM   #1851
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Well les schwab isn't reputable, and discount tire isn't really any better.

So I'd say your statement was accurate
hmmm? not sure what you are getting at, but being that they are two giant companies who deal in tires, i would say they are reputable.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:00 AM   #1852
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I've had discount tire lie to people (and try and scare my wife into buying tires).

And schwab? Sure they are HUGE, that doesn't mean they are smart. And one of my good friends has worked for them for years.

I would find it unlikely that either of their insurance companies would be happy if they found out there were mounting tires that far off from 'appropriate' specs.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:14 AM   #1853
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well i have a few friends who work for discount, and they are quite reputable, and yes they will "advise" you that its not the appropriate size, but they will still do it.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:20 AM   #1854
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My sincerest apologies. I've never had experience trying to stretch a tire too narrow to properly seat on a wheel.
I have alot of experience with haters. Around the Globe Haters.
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Old 01-25-2012, 09:53 AM   #1855
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well i have a few friends who work for discount, and they are quite reputable, and yes they will "advise" you that its not the appropriate size, but they will still do it.
Which is funny, because then you take a 'shop' like Costco which totally sucks and I don't think they'd mount a setup like that.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:09 AM   #1856
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I'm thinking about a set of rota ikr's
There is a set that is 17x9 +25, and a 17x9 +35
I want them to poke, but I don't know it the +25 will be too ridiculous.
I have an 02 bugeye btw.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:11 AM   #1857
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I'm thinking about a set of rota ikr's
There is a set that is 17x9 +25, and a 17x9 +35
I want them to poke, but I don't know it the +25 will be too ridiculous.
I have an 02 bugeye btw.
Right now I'm running gramm lights, 57s, I think they're a +48.
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Old 01-31-2012, 01:01 AM   #1858
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Can someone explain how close the drags 31 17"x8 with an offset of 47. Will this be anywhere close to flush or rubbing? And if they aren't close can I put spacers behind them or will that hurt the awd system
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:31 AM   #1859
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very helpful thanks
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:52 AM   #1860
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Can someone explain how close the drags 31 17"x8 with an offset of 47. Will this be anywhere close to flush or rubbing? And if they aren't close can I put spacers behind them or will that hurt the awd system
You should be more concerned with how well the wheels work than "flushness" (being flush is BAD by the way). Those wheels will fit perfectly without spacers and without rubbing.
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:19 PM   #1861
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Has anyone used the 2011 STI wheels on their 05-07?

18x8.5 +55 offset.
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:31 PM   #1862
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Yes, they fit fine when running the stock (+'08) size tires.
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:50 PM   #1863
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You should be more concerned with how well the wheels work than "flushness" (being flush is BAD by the way). Those wheels will fit perfectly without spacers and without rubbing.
Can you explain how it's bad or why? I figured that If they we're Farther out then you would have more stability and better handling but it would cause a little fatigue on the axles or differential and awd system maybe
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Can you explain how it's bad or why? I figured that If they we're Farther out then you would have more stability and better handling but it would cause a little fatigue on the axles or differential and awd system maybe
it's merely his opinion...
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:18 PM   #1865
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whats the widest you can go on a 05 wrx without rolling or pulling the fenders? im picking up 17X8 35mm Offset
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:23 PM   #1866
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Can you explain how it's bad or why? I figured that If they we're Farther out then you would have more stability and better handling but it would cause a little fatigue on the axles or differential and awd system maybe
Stability is the only handling benefit to the wider wheel base. You're negatively affecting everything else.

And technically nhat, I'm the one generally spouting point blank facts. The people supporting flush or poke are doing so purely on opinion considering "it looks cool". ;-)
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:24 PM   #1867
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whats the widest you can go on a 05 wrx without rolling or pulling the fenders? im picking up 17X8 35mm Offset
Offset is too low. The widest is 8.5" with an ofsset in the mid 40s, depending on the tire.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:34 PM   #1868
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Stability is the only handling benefit to the wider wheel base. You're negatively affecting everything else.

And technically nhat, I'm the one generally spouting point blank facts. The people supporting flush or poke are doing so purely on opinion considering "it looks cool". ;-)
when you can back up these facts with data, i'll wave the white flag.

with stance becoming more and more popular, there should be a rise in dead wheel bearings. but there hasn't been one.

the only detriment is tramlining and less steering feel from my own experience.
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when you can back up these facts with data, i'll wave the white flag.

with stance becoming more and more popular, there should be a rise in dead wheel bearings. but there hasn't been one.

the only detriment is tramlining and less steering feel from my own experience.
When have you ever seen me specifically point out bearing failure? The things I bring up are the handling aspects, some of which you even pointed out, and the issues related to fitment (tire and fender wise).

Its hard to quantify changes in feel. The principles that address what I bring to the table are well established. Like I've previously said, I view it as educating people on what they want to do since almost none of them know anything about it other than how it looks. Informed decisions (in an ideal world) should be the only ones ever made.

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Old 02-01-2012, 10:30 PM   #1870
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I think it's pointless to debate with the ignorant kids as i've been there before and know at that age even if I ****ed up i'd never admit it or actually want to know why until I grew up.

What I do agree with is posting for the non-low riders club and for those that didn't buy their cars to just to perform in a parking lot. You probably don't hear about a lot of the problems because these kids wreck or blow up their cars long before that point...
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hopefully you didnt mean me lol
i just want a clean stance NOT STRETCHED tires or anything like that. this is my dd car and i want a wider contact patch while still having a safe and usable ride, if that makes sense
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When have you ever seen me specifically point out bearing failure? The things I bring up are the handling aspects, some of which you even pointed out, and the issues related to fitment (tire and fender wise).

Its hard to quantify changes in feel. The principles that address what I bring to the table are well established. Like I've previously said, I view it as educating people on what they want to do since almost none of them know anything about it other than how it looks. Informed decisions (in an ideal world) should be the only ones ever made.
you keep bringing up these facts and principles. how can you help them make informed decisions when the only experience you have is with "correct" fitment? have you ever driven a subaru with lower than a +45 offset? stretched tires? tires wider than 255s?

the tramlining i experience now with lower offsets is no worse than the tramlining i experienced with higher offsets.

the trade-off between steering feel and grip is well worth it. then again, that doesn't really matter since these setups are for style and not performance.

yeah there are some idiots that want to be "aggressive" or "flush" with stock suspension and fenders. we tell them the style isn't for them immediately, that it's something you can't half-ass. we tell them all the pitfalls of stance and if they choose to continue, they know what lies ahead.

telling someone that being flush is "BAD" is opinion, not fact. telling them there's irreversible modifications done is fact, not opinion. i was flush at 17x9 +42 and +39 with 255s. the only thing bad about that was i had to roll the rear fenders.

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I think it's pointless to debate with the ignorant kids as i've been there before and know at that age even if I ****ed up i'd never admit it or actually want to know why until I grew up.

What I do agree with is posting for the non-low riders club and for those that didn't buy their cars to just to perform in a parking lot. You probably don't hear about a lot of the problems because these kids wreck or blow up their cars long before that point...
at least we can agree that it's pointless for you guys to debate with people on the internet. being as intelligent as you are, i figured you would have learned that it's an exercise in futility long ago.

interestingly enough, most of these cars are driven on a daily basis to get from point a to point b. we all know these modifications aren't done for performance, purely style. we don't hear about these problems because they don't wreck their cars or blow them up. there's a reason why they drive low and slow...and with how social media works these days, it's impossible to keep a story hidden from the public.

if you're not going to help, just don't post. thanks.
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Offset is too low. The widest is 8.5" with an ofsset in the mid 40s, depending on the tire.
now that's fact.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:17 PM   #1874
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Looking at new wheels for road course. Thinking 18's but not sure of width 8.5 or 9.5 or 9.0 but don't want to do to much finder pulling or rolling. Just want something that's pretty flush but will be good for the track on those days
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:54 PM   #1875
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Looking at new wheels for road course. Thinking 18's but not sure of width 8.5 or 9.5 or 9.0 but don't want to do to much finder pulling or rolling. Just want something that's pretty flush but will be good for the track on those days
17x8 +48.

No such thing as flush with no fender mods.
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