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Old 07-22-2004, 10:25 PM   #176
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If someone already responded to this my apologies. Here's how to measure a wheel's offset:

1) Measure the wheel's diameter outer lip-to-outer lip. Obviously it's easier if there's no tire mounted but it can be done either way. Call that D.

2) Measure the distance from the inside lip to the hub mounting surface. See the Tire Tech thread for visuals. Call that H.

3) Offset = H - (D/2). A positive number means it's proably a wheel for a FWD car. Negative means probably a RWD car. Really large positive number - it's a Subie!!!
is this the same as saying: take the width of the wheel, divide by 2 and your offset is the distance between the exact wheel center and the mounting surface? forgive, i'm tired tonight!
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Old 07-23-2004, 10:35 AM   #177
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That's correct. I find it easier to just do the math than try to visualize the calculation - it gives me a migraine
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:52 PM   #178
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ive just gone through this whole thread and my head is still kinda sore from taking in all the info here and i cant really piece it together yet. i just got a 00 2.5rs sedan and i plan on dropping it 1" in front and 1.2" rear with an eibach prokit, id like to fit a 17x8" rim with 225's but after reading through here im questioning if it will work. has anybody got a setup like this and if so what offset will work?
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Old 08-02-2004, 01:02 AM   #179
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Please people, do not just quote random specs- offset is directly related to rim width- you can certainly use a +55 6.5" wide rim on most late model Subarus, but you cannot use a +55 8" wide rim! Offset Nirvana is within a few millimeters of:

Width .... Offset

6.5" ....... +53 to +55
7.0" ....... +50 to +53
7.5" ....... +47 to +50
8.0" ....... +43 to +47

Anything within sighting distance of these ranges is happiness for your wheel bearings. I reserve the right to be corrected on the ranges, but they are about 95% accurate .


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I'm assuming the rim width with the recommended offset is for 18s since the overall circumference of the tire is going to be pretty same (with the factory 16's) ....cuz I just bought 18x8.0 with 45 offset and 225/40/18s for my 04 WRX!!
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:00 PM   #180
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I got some 17x7 Konig rims that I bought from some guy for cheap. I dont know what model they are as they're a couple years old but I suspect that they are 40mm offset because thats what all the 17x7 Konigs are for this year. For this reason I need to find out what offset the wheels are but there seem to be no good way to measure it that I can find.
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to measure offset?

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Old 08-05-2004, 02:27 PM   #181
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I got some 17x7 Konig rims that I bought from some guy for cheap. I dont know what model they are as they're a couple years old but I suspect that they are 40mm offset because thats what all the 17x7 Konigs are for this year. For this reason I need to find out what offset the wheels are but there seem to be no good way to measure it that I can find.
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to measure offset?

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If it's not stamped on the inside of the wheel, you can:

1. Measure the width of the wheel to the outside edges (W)
2. Lay the wheel flat on the ground, with the outside facing up. Measure the distance from the floor to the bottom face of the hub (x)
3. Plug in to x - (W/2) and you have the offset. Measure everything in mm to make life easy...

Look in the Tire Tech sticky for a picture of offset.
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Old 09-10-2004, 07:05 PM   #182
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Default Ronal16" wheels and 42mm offset

My last car was a 1997 Impreza OBS with a prodrive suspension kit, Rallispec rear sway bar, RS 5-spoke rims with Toyo Proxes T1s (205-50-16). This was a wonderfull car, I miss it. My winter wheels are (I still have them) WRX rims with Pirrelli asymetrico's 205-55-16.

Now I have a 1999 Impreza wagon L with 15" steel wheels. I am looking to upgrade to 16" wheels with ultra high performance tires. with a $150/wheel budget and unhappy with Tirerack offerings, I have been searching elsewhere with little luck. Ronalusa.com advertises a variety of wheels for the WRX and STI. since I have been happy with my WRX winter wheels (and from reading this forum), I figure that rims for a WRX will work on my car. I have been trading emails with Ronal and they recommend 42mm offset: "We use an et of 42mm". I have asked why and they will not explain beyond: "The 16x7.5" wheels w. et 42 fit great on the car, we've done MANY!"


I had read this Forum a week ago, when it was about 6 pages long. after this email from Ronal I came back and read through again to the previous post.

So...
I would love to hear from folks out there who have 42mm offset (Ronal) wheels on their Imprezas.

Otherwise, its another set of WRX rims for me.

On the other hand, judging by this thread, there are many Impreza owners out there with 16" aluminium rims in their garage/closet/basement or hanging on their livingroom wall as trophies. Anyone selling 4 good condition 16" rims, RS or WRX?

I have really appreciated this thread, but now I have to go take a nap, it was exhausting.

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Old 09-10-2004, 07:52 PM   #183
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I would love to hear from folks out there who have 42mm offset (Ronal) wheels on their Imprezas.

Otherwise, its another set of WRX rims for me.
Hi Suladed, I have a set of 17x8 +40 offset Ronal LZ's (2pc). Although I'm quite happy with the fit, look, and build quality of the wheel, I would recommend sticking with an offset that is closer to stock if you can. Ronals are geared more toward German autos (i.e. BMW, Audi, etc) and just because they happen to "fit" our cars, doesn't mean they are the ideal wheel for our application........nor are they specifically designed with Subaru fitment in mind.

Regardless, I have to say that I'm really pleased with mine overall. .........I don't think you'll find too many other members who have these.

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Old 09-16-2004, 12:22 AM   #184
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Does anyone know the offset(factory) for an 05 STI ?I know there are some changes in the '05(including the change in bolt pattern)which leads me to believe offset could have been changed as well.I'd check if I had the wheels to look at,but I'm still a couple days off from picking it up from the dealer (it hasn't been delivered yet and there aren't any at the showroom to look at). I'm SO friggin excited!
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Old 09-19-2004, 10:38 AM   #185
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will a 20x8.5" wheel fit with a +40 offset..I do not want them to stick out at ALL... I had a set of 19's that were the wrong offset and they stuck out..... Please let me know I am very interested. ibecagg@optonline.net
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Old 09-21-2004, 07:32 PM   #186
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will a 20x8.5" wheel fit with a +40 offset..I do not want them to stick out at ALL... I had a set of 19's that were the wrong offset and they stuck out..... Please let me know I am very interested. ibecagg@optonline.net
Dubs will not fit a WRX at all.
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Old 09-21-2004, 09:15 PM   #187
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Unfortunately your answer is incorrect. In Super Street a couple of months back there was a WRX with 20" Boyd Coddingtons...so I just need to find out what is the widest width and the correct offset for a 20" rim.
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True. I knew my answer was incorrect---but I had to try...for all mankind.
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Old 09-26-2004, 11:25 AM   #189
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So I am still wondering who can answer my question. What 20" rim with what offset and width will fit an '02 wrx? Please help me I really need an answer
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Old 10-04-2004, 02:21 AM   #190
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Can i fit 18x7.5 wheels with 45mm offset on a wagon? Ive heard I can if i use the right size tire. Will a 215/45 tire fit on these rims? P.S.- I think wagons should have their own forum.
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So I am still wondering who can answer my question. What 20" rim with what offset and width will fit an '02 wrx? Please help me I really need an answer
Your answer is on the first page. Offset is dependant on rim width, not diameter. You need the same offset for 16x8,17x8, or 20x8" rims.
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Okay I've done the calculations based on the offset/backspacing formulas and this is what I have come up with. Can those that understand the formulas confirm my results that would be great.

I think the term 'offset' has been incorrectly used sometimes, people are confusing it with 'backspacing'. I believe the goal is to keep the stock 'backspacing' not the stock offset. To do so you need to choose the corresponding offset.

Formulas:
25.4mm=1inch
centerline = width/2
offset=backspacing-centerline
backspacing=centerline+offset

Heres the math:

Base wheel: Stock WRX 16x6.5 55offset
82.55mm(centerline) + 55mm(stock offset) = 137.55backspacing

To keep the same 137.55mm backspacing:

7.0" wide rim you would need a ~48offset
The math: 137.55mm(target backspacing) - 88.9mm(centerline) = ~48mm offset
The result is inline with nirvana specs.

7.5" wide rim you would need a ~42offset
The math: 137.55mm(target backspacing) - 95.25mm(centerline) = ~42mm offset
The result is far from the Nirvana numbers.

This is only regarding wheel width and choosing correct offset. These calculations have nothing to do with tire rubbing.

Again, these numbers are up for discussion so let me know if I am wrong.
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Okay I've done the calculations based on the offset/backspacing formulas and this is what I have come up with. Can those that understand the formulas confirm my results that would be great.

I think the term 'offset' has been incorrectly used sometimes, people are confusing it with 'backspacing'. I believe the goal is to keep the stock 'backspacing' not the stock offset. To do so you need to choose the corresponding offset.

Formulas:
25.4mm=1inch
centerline = width/2
offset=backspacing-centerline
backspacing=centerline+offset

Heres the math:

Base wheel: Stock WRX 16x6.5 55offset
82.55mm(centerline) + 55mm(stock offset) = 137.55backspacing

To keep the same 137.55mm backspacing:

7.0" wide rim you would need a ~48offset
The math: 137.55mm(target backspacing) - 88.9mm(centerline) = ~48mm offset
The result is inline with nirvana specs.

7.5" wide rim you would need a ~42offset
The math: 137.55mm(target backspacing) - 95.25mm(centerline) = ~42mm offset
The result is far from the Nirvana numbers.

This is only regarding wheel width and choosing correct offset. These calculations have nothing to do with tire rubbing.

Again, these numbers are up for discussion so let me know if I am wrong.
So basically what you're saying is that if you retain the same offset on a larger wheel, you will end up with a different backspace than what you started with. The opposite is true if you stick with the same backspace (rather than offset). ......I agree. However, the point is that you want to keep the offset (not backspace) as close to stock as possible.
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I think this is where the two terms are getting mixed up, by keeping the same 'backspacing' essentially you are keeping the same 'offset' as stock, but since the wheel width changes, the offset size will change.

If the goal is to keep the 55mm offset of stock then as you go wider the barrel of the wheel will keep getting closer to the suspension as you get larger in widths. This I feel is incorrect.

The goal should be to keep the same backspace. Because if we were to try to keep the same 'offset' as stock then the 'Nirvana' offset should always be 55 and not anything else.

Hopefully this came out clear, if anyone can confirm either of our theories that would be great.
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I think this is where the two terms are getting mixed up, by keeping the same 'backspacing' essentially you are keeping the same 'offset' as stock, but since the wheel width changes, the offset size will change.

If the goal is to keep the 55mm offset of stock then as you go wider the barrel of the wheel will keep getting closer to the suspension as you get larger in widths. This I feel is incorrect.

The goal should be to keep the same backspace. Because if we were to try to keep the same 'offset' as stock then the 'Nirvana' offset should always be 55 and not anything else.

Hopefully this came out clear, if anyone can confirm either of our theories that would be great.
No, because that would cause the pressure on the wheel bearings that is trying to be prevented. It would also cause the wheel to stick out of the wheel well. You want to keep the offset.
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I think this is where the two terms are getting mixed up, by keeping the same 'backspacing' essentially you are keeping the same 'offset' as stock, but since the wheel width changes, the offset size will change.

If the goal is to keep the 55mm offset of stock then as you go wider the barrel of the wheel will keep getting closer to the suspension as you get larger in widths. This I feel is incorrect.

The goal should be to keep the same backspace. Because if we were to try to keep the same 'offset' as stock then the 'Nirvana' offset should always be 55 and not anything else.

Hopefully this came out clear, if anyone can confirm either of our theories that would be great.
ahhhh..... I see where the confusion lies. I beleive the "nirvana" reference at the begining of the thread is merely to show an acceptable "compromise". Ideally, you would want to keep the same offset but it may not possible without running into rubbing issues at some point on the inboard surface(s). Also, there may not be alot of options available in a larger +55 wheel.

Anyhow, let's say clearance is no issue and you are able to maintain a +55 offset in a 8.5" wheel (from the +55, 6.5" stock). This will mean that the wheel will be exactly 1" wider in both directions from the centerline and the hub mounting surface will still be +55 from the middle of the wheel (evenly distributed compared to stock). However, if you were to keep the same backspace, the additional 2" width would be placed toward the outboard side of the centerline which would move the hub mounting surface closer to the middle of the wheel (resulting in a lower offset and an uneven distribution of the extra width as compared to stock).
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Ahh, you are right, i see the error in my math, makes sense now. Thanks guys.

But with that information, its quite concerning that if we should be at around 55offset then recommending 43offset for 8.0" width still would endanger wheel bearings. Thats a 12mm difference.

I understand its a wheel clearance issue and trying to get the perfect balance, but if the debate is about protecting your wheel bearings, it doesnt make sense if we are saying stick with close to 55offset but then recommending 43offset for the larger 8.0" width.

I am skeptical if its because subaru wheel bearings are bad (like the recall) or does it really have to do with the offset. I mean 10mm is not huge difference for a wheel bearing not to handle (at least for decent period of time). Im sure there are those running the 48 offset with no problem and thats 8mm off. On my past vehicles I've used spacers and different offsets and didnt have any problems. It's pretty interesting that the wrx would be so sensitive.

I have a friend with a wrx wagon and he's running 17x7 40 offset for almost 2 years now with no problem. I know it doesnt mean he wont have problems but its just info proving theres examples on both sides of the debate.

Thanks again for the responses.
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Great... how does what you're saying help a person looking to go up to an 8" wheel for their STi? Or WRX for that matter?

Let's take you out of the labratory and away from the math and put you in front of your car with a 7.5" wheel on your car and a catalog of 8" wheels that you want to upgrade to (real world).

Which one are you going to select? The ones that are listed on the front page of this thread known to work, or are you going to do the math and pick a 59 offset wheel... ***IF*** you could even find any high that are not custom made.

Your math, your comments, your statements have no bearing in this real world on getting an 8" wheel to work on an STi --- period.

Not only that, the offset you say would push the wheel too far in from centerline/optimum that it would have just as bad an expereince with the wheel bearings and premature wheel bearing falure IF you could get the wheel to not rub on the struts as if you went too far the other way!

So, real world here...

Your math has no bearing on selecting the proper wheels for an STi, does it?

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i have to agree with this guy. i have been shopping for rims for a couple months now. i actually came across a thread on this message board that had wheels that fit the STi. and all the numbers from the first page about the 7.5/8/8.5 width make no sense. i found some volk's for instance, LE28n's. offset would be 33 for a 7.5 inch width, thatz what it said on this list, also what i got from the guys that distribute the rims. i think the beginning of this thread was more confusing than helpful. dont mean to put anybody down, but just my two cents on this.
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i have to agree with this guy. i have been shopping for rims for a couple months now. i actually came across a thread on this message board that had wheels that fit the STi. and all the numbers from the first page about the 7.5/8/8.5 width make no sense. i found some volk's for instance, LE28n's. offset would be 33 for a 7.5 inch width, thatz what it said on this list, also what i got from the guys that distribute the rims. i think the beginning of this thread was more confusing than helpful. dont mean to put anybody down, but just my two cents on this.
I know the LE28n, I was going to get them myself. I was told, if I remember correctly (too lazy to go through my old posts in this thread) to go with a 42 or 43mm offset, not 33. Still, I know exactly what you mean. So many people put it so many different ways, that they confused a lot of people.
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WRT offset and wheel width: the important things from the design perspective are (viewed from the fron of the vehicle) the tire center line in respect to the wheel bearing, and the tire centerline with respect to an "imaginary line" drawn from the center of the top strut mounting through the ball joint on the lower suspension link down to the ground - this latter dimension is much more important from a steering/handling perspective.

In either case, the center line of the wheel/tire combination is key - whether the wheels are 4" wide or 10" makes no difference. Given that the wheel mounting (the hub) is fixed with regard to the suspension components, then the wheel offset needs to be constant regardless of rim width in order to maintain manufacturer's steering geometry. All manufacturers make calls about how far off the effective bearing centerline they will put the contact center point - experience says you can get away with significant deviations here, but it will effect castor return, steering effort, etc.

I ran a "hot" FWD car for years with effectively a wider track (much less offset) than the manufacturer designed in due to fitting wider wheels, and being limited by clearances to the wheel well. BUT, I had no almost no castor return as a result - but no wheel bearing problems at all.
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