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Old 03-29-2003, 06:17 PM   #1
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Default nokian NRZ i

anyone have any experience with this tire? i've heard some good things about it from some bmw guys i know, and i might be able to get a set for not too much. just curious what people think.
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Old 03-29-2003, 07:04 PM   #2
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I also would like to know about these tires. I'm a firm believer in their winter tires, so I'm wondering how those finnicky Fins did with a summer set.

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Old 03-30-2003, 01:05 PM   #3
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Same thing I love there winter tires and considering these,
someone has had these before
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Old 03-30-2003, 02:01 PM   #4
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I also have run Nokian winter tires for years. The following is based on conversations w/ my local dealer and from the Nokian website.

Nokian sells through local dealers - I have found no on-line source for the tires. The prices tend to be high. I was quoted $650 for 4 205/55/16 NRZi mounted and balanced. This compares with 4 Bridgestone PolePosition SO-3's from the Tire Rack (shipping, w/ local mounting and balancing) for $620.

The testing information below is for the NRV - a similar tire. They had no testing information on the website regarding the NRZi. The information is somewhat dated. Draw your own conclusions regarding the target market (use classification) for the tires.

FWIW the NRV and NRZi both have a wear index of 280.

From the Nokian Website:
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Recent testing was completed on various "V" rated summer tires in the European market place. In the recently published Buying Guide for the summer 2000, the following 16 brands were represented with the Nokian NRV being only 1 of 3 brands to receive a 5 Star Rating.

1. _ Goodyear Eagle NCT 5
2. _ Nokian NRV
3. _ Pirelli P 6000 Powergy
4. _ Dunlop SP sport 200 E
5. _ Michelin Energy XV1
6. _ Bridgestone Turanza ER 20
7. _ Vredestian Sportrac
8. _ Firestone Firehawk 700 FS
9. _ Kleber Dynaxer HP
10. Michelin Pilot Primacy
11. Goodyear Eagle Ventura
12. Toyo Roadpro R 610
13. Uniroyal Rallye 540
14. Avon ZV 1
15. Pneumant PN 550
16. Yokohama ASV TW1


The Finnish Common Agency, plus similar agencies from Belgium, Netherlands, United Kingdom, Germany, Switzerland and Austria organized the tests. The test was done over 14 months with a team of 10 ADAC and TCS representatives. The drivers' comments and individual test scores are attached. The lower the score the better the results (i.e. 1.7 = best, 3.3 = worst). Overall comments included, "An excellent tire in all areas, performs well on wet surfaces".

The NRV was introduced last year in the North American marketplace with excellent results. This year we introduced three new sizes, including a 225/45 R17 with a "W" speed rating. Terno Silica which was first introduced in the NRV, allows the tire to perform and hold its properties in the heat of the summer, as well as in the late fall and early spring weather conditions.

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Old 03-30-2003, 06:55 PM   #5
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the guy who reccomended these tires to me is a nokian dealer, so i'm sure he's a bit biased. He said that the NRZ i has similar dry performance to the S-03s, but much quieter and better in wet conditions. He also sells a lot of S-03s to people, so he may actually know what he's talking about.

i may just bite the bullet and get a set. if i do i'll post a review.

one thing that concerns me is that the r looks a lot like an a...
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:14 PM   #6
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inchoate,

What prices does your dealer charge for the SO3 and the NRZi? And, can he point you to any objective testing to validate his claims?

That the NRZi is directional AND asymmetrical concerns me.

You cannot rotate tires across the car - only front to rear on the same side. If you tend to eat tires on the inside edge (negative camber) at least a symmetrical tire can be remounted to shift the inside/outside edge to try to even out the wear.

One other issue, if you have a problem with the tire, you have to find the correct tire (left or right) to replace it. Probably would not be an issue around town - I worry about it traveling in areas where Nokian is not very popular (down south?).
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:52 PM   #8
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I talked to a guy who was running these at a track event on a Mitsubishi Galant VR-4. He said they were an OK - not great - street tire but not very competent on the track as they were prone to overheating and chunking. He was a longtime user of Hakka winter tires but said he would not buy their summer tires again.
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Old 03-31-2003, 08:30 AM   #9
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mch-

the lack of objective testing concerns me as well.

also i hadn't thought about the asymmetrical thing, probably wouldn't be a problem, but if anything does happen it could be a royal pita.

i'll get a price today.

alfaguy-

that lines up with what nokian says about the tires. the compound is supposed to work well on cooler surfaces, so i could see tham having problems in hot weather or under stress.
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Old 03-31-2003, 01:27 PM   #10
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There are a lot of guys up here in Canada that run the NRW. I think they are more of an all season tire. If you want a true winter tire get the Q. I had them on my WRX all winter and they are AMAZING. They have 2 downsides... they aren't the best on totally glare ice (Blizzaks are best there) and they are only ok on dry pavement... but on snow and cold pavement and normal ice (not the totally polished stuff) they are awesome. They are so much fun to play around with. Oh ya, they also work really well on gravel, but they probably won't last too long if used that way a lot. I hadn't heard of Nokkian before, but I will be a repeat customer.
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Old 04-01-2003, 12:50 PM   #11
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Hello WRXers:

I just put a set of Nokian NRZi 225/45/17 w/ OZ Superleggeras on my wagon. Besides looking pretty rad, they definitely handle better than the stock Potenzas. I live in Vermont, so it was a good choice due to our mostly cold weather and rainy season. The important factor that made me decide on them was their resistance to hydro-planing and the ability to go down to freezing point and still provide good handling. I will keep you posted as I drive with these babies and let you know if they are trully worth it. BTW, if you are looking for them or another Nokian tire, and live in Vermont, check out NOYES Tires in Shelbourne road. I asked for the new NRVi's, but they only could get the NRZi's, so they gave me the NRZi's for the NRVi's price. $640 total; ask for Bruce.

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Old 04-01-2003, 12:56 PM   #12
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Old 04-01-2003, 04:29 PM   #13
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that's a pretty good price. the guy i'm talking to says it'll be about $700 with shipping. for that kind of money i have to think i could do better.
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Old 04-13-2003, 06:05 PM   #14
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Any more reviews? How about weights, I went to there site, but could not find weights. I've been running T1S's w/ great success, but thought I might broaden my tire perspective. These sound like they will do great in the wet, but what about dry? Wonder how sidewall stiffness is.

I've been running the NRW's in the winter and I've been very. very impressed w/ them- summer tires are a whole nother ball game though.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 04-13-2003, 09:21 PM   #15
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Well BIGSKYWRX, I do not race my subie, but I have to commute 60 miles/day to work on highway. With my Superleggeras and NRZis, the car moves at the slightest move of the steering wheel. Hey, if taking off-ramps at 45+MPH is a good indication of a good tire, well, there you go! It still not raining hard here, but when it does, I'll definitely post my views here. Peace

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Thanks. Wet traction is supposed to be wonderful (so they say anyways). I'd love to hear if anyone has autoxed these.

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Old 04-18-2003, 12:49 PM   #17
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dorian,

Now that we've had some rain (and snow and rain again isn't spring grand in VT! ) What do you think of the tires, particularly sidewall stiffness?

I'm between the SO3's and the NRZi's. I am fairly certain of the Bridgestone's characteristics but wonder about the Nokians.

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Old 04-18-2003, 01:12 PM   #18
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This was off an Audi forum- so take it for what's it's worth, but an individual who was running them (NRZi) thought they were rather soft in the sidewall for a Z-rated tire. They do make a Y rated tire also, but in very limited sizes (they may not even be available here).

I too would like to hear more.

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Old 04-18-2003, 01:35 PM   #19
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The question is always "In comparison to what other tire?"

/ sigh on
Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was comprehensive objective tire testing? So much is hearsay and so situationally biased it is really impossible to make an informed choice. The Tire Rack's testing system is a start but the owner rating system is so fraught with personal bias and different cars/ suspensions/ driver skill/ expectations it is heavily compromised and nearly worthless. The only thing that is useful (and somewhat objective) is the mileage report.
/sigh off

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Old 04-18-2003, 08:19 PM   #20
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Dude, if you are so smart, why don't you do all the other comparos and come up with your own magazine on tire testing? We are here to provide input on tires we ride on, not on what would be the panacea of tire choice; that is ultimately up to our personal choice.

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Sorry you are having a bad day.

$600-700 experiments every couple of years is great, but I'd like a bit more objective information before starting those expensive experiments (aka decisions) about tires. There are enormous choices out there and something more reliable than "dude, these things are great!" would be wonderful.

So, having said all of that - how do you like the Nazi's?
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Buy every tire you can think of and then let us know then.

BTW, NRZi are like laser-guided bombs - right on target. Want me to drop one on you?

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No, seriously, the NRZi are very good. Handling is excellent. What do I mean with that? The car responds to my slightest steer every time, wet or dry pavement, and they are very responsive in turns: if I demand more acute degree of turn, I get, even when I think I am maxed out. Lane to lane swith is so fast (of course, the design of the car has to do with it), and I like the thought behind the design of the tire (go ahead and read it off their website; tell me how many mfg's put that kind of thought into the tire). Overall, I cannot say that the tires were meant for drag racing, but they were really meant to have an edge on the road where cold weather and rain is the order of the day. I like them, and maybe there are better tires out there. But to me, and with the weather I have to deal with, the NRZi are a great investment. And I can see that we have to be objective on the research of tire comparison, and for that I say you are right: real comparos would have to be done on every tire with the same car, same weather, same conditions, etc. We know that would be a major undertaking, but at then end would be great data to make a final choice. But until then, we need to find people with our same kind of condition and driving manners to make the best decisions. It's hard, I know, but we have to make the best out of it. And hows's my day going? Peachy, just peachy !

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Well MCH, I think the NRZi in wet weather are great, feels like driving on dry pavement. Sidewall stiffness...well, it seems a bit soft, but not to the point that I would commit seppuku because I bought them. I think they are as good as the Bridgestone (guess the name in Japanese), but with the great wet and cold handling. If I was back in Fla, I'll probably put on something else. But here in VT, boy, Nokians all the way; I don't like to play with Mother nature up here that much!

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Sounds like they are performing as designed- a performance tire for rough roads, unpredictable cold/wet weather. You would want a slight less stiff sidewall for these conditions. Sounds like a great tire for all those wanting a all-around performance tire, that can handle a wide variety of enviroments. If they wear even half as well as the NRW's, that would be a bonus.

Doesn't sound like the tire for someone who is needing a strict summer performance tire.

Thanks for the review.

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