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Old 03-29-2003, 07:01 PM   #1
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Default Visited Subaru Calgary today

Got the technical dealer release on WRX and STi.

New WRX due next week. New STi due June. 11 deposits down. Given the total dealers for Canada and the total expected STi for Canada, they expect 1 car every two months on average for all Canada dealers. Obviously some will get more.

No news on STi wagon or Legacy 2.5 Turbo.

Canada will NOT get HID lights according to Subaru Canada. Salesperson said something about Canada market could not offer them for environmental reasons. How does every other automaker get them in (MB, BMW, Porsche, Audi, Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, Mazda) ??? Doesn't seem like a good explanation to me.

But apparently Canada STi units will get a stereo. This is what the salesperson says. Personally, I'd rather have the HID from factory and do aftermarket stereo if required. I've got the HK stereo and cd-changer in the M3 and rarely use it... I'd rather listen to the engine. The HID's on the other hand are a HUGE improvement over stock and I love them. It's a huge difference going back to any car without HIDs.

If the dealer is willing, I may go back and put down an advance deposit on an STi wagon if they will put me first on the list if one should come out.
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Old 03-29-2003, 08:34 PM   #2
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I agree about the headlights vs. stereo, and although I have never driven with HIDs, good lighting is definately more important to me than sound. Regardless, I probably won't be able to get an STi until next year, so personally I am hoping they address whatever issue there is with HIDs by then, and at least offer them as an option.

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Old 03-29-2003, 08:52 PM   #3
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Each can dealer will receive a STI for the first month ( june ). After it will depend on the sale performance of the dealer. The more WRX he sold the more STI he can possibly get...

My STI is in production in april so I will have it in june !
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Old 03-30-2003, 12:14 AM   #4
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Do they have a firm price on the STI in Canada yet or is it still the "guessing game" ??
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Old 03-30-2003, 01:25 AM   #5
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guessing game again and again... price should be released at the end of april...
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Old 03-30-2003, 02:43 AM   #6
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Hey Grinch, fellow Calgarian... first saw you over on the roadfly forums... and now here you are!

Which dealer did you go to, Centaur or Charles English?
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:33 AM   #7
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Subaru of Calgary is Charles English / Jaguar.

They won't have any STi units to test drive they say.
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Old 03-30-2003, 01:57 PM   #8
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Almost WTLY
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=299026

FWIW
Subaru of Calgary placed an original order for 9 STI's on the Feb 6th of which 7 are blue. The build date on ALL of these cars was 3/3/03 as per SOC.
Next order date for STI's in Western Canada was March 4th.

Centaur placed original order for 7 but only 5 had build dates back in feb.

Both dealers in Calgary are great
Paul Williams at Centaur has alot of info on the specs of these cars.

Look thru the Canadian forums for more info
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=246133

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Old 03-30-2003, 03:12 PM   #9
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Originally posted by Mr. Grinch
Canada will NOT get HID lights according to Subaru Canada. Salesperson said something about Canada market could not offer them for environmental reasons. How does every other automaker get them in (MB, BMW, Porsche, Audi, Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, Mazda) ??? Doesn't seem like a good explanation to me.
Looking at the official USDM specs for the STi here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=337287
It shows that there are NO daytime running lights on the STI model. I suspect the HID lights have no DRL function at all, and this is the reason that they are not being used in Canadian models.

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Old 03-30-2003, 08:27 PM   #10
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Old 03-31-2003, 03:34 PM   #11
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Does anyone have an e-mail for Subaru Canada? I'd like to send them some customer feedback on the STi. I couldn't find any such email address on the web site.

Thanks to all of you guys for the info.

Wombat:
Sounds like we talked to the same sales person at BMW Calgary. We should get together sometime. Maybe when you get your car I'll still have my M3 and we can compare?

J Y :
Your reasoning sounds much more believable, about the HID headlights not coming to Canada because they are not DRL. The environmental issue sounded weak. I mean, xenon is a noble gas, so it's not reactive. The only issue I could think of is the step-up transformers required to run them might contain PCBs or other hazarous insulating materials.

The way the M3 works, it comes with three sets of lights, fogs, bi-xenons, and halogens. The bi-xenons do high and low beams by adjusting the angle of the lens. The old high-beams remain in-place as halogens, and they act both as DRLs and also as "flash" high beams when you pull the headlight stick to flash your high beams.

If the STi comes were to come with 2 separate HIDs as some documentation has shown, there would be no halogens to use as DRLs. You'd have to run HIDs during the day. I'm not sure if this is a mechanical problem. I know I run my HIDs on all the time, day or night, and no problems. I think they just need the circuit to turn them on.

I wonder if the Canada STi is really getting a price break because it does not have HIDs. Retal price for the parts on my M3 would be over $4k cdn, light assemblies plus the electrical assemblies. A $500 stereo in return hardly seems equivalent.

Normally, I wouldn't care so much about HIDs. Some car's halogens are quiet good. But I've gotten so used to them in the M3 that when I go back to my Honda it seems like I'm driving with the headlights off... and that's after upgrading to higher output bulbs in the Honda.
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Old 04-01-2003, 01:37 AM   #12
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A friend of mine that works for SOC said the price range was going to be from 48-52K but I personally believe it's all FUD at the moment. They are doing the same thing now that they did with the WRX, making everyone think it's going to be 2-5K more than what they actually intend to sell it at. That way when they release the pricing info they get the "ooooooo... ahhhhh" affect.

Also, the canadian model STI will get the heated mirrors, heated seat (the other heated seat is gone in favor of the manual DCCD switch) and a stereo. I am pretty sure the headlight housings will be the same from the us spec to canadian spec since I think all the other models around the world are getting HID. (they won't make a special housing for us). I believe the price difference between the HID ballasts and bulbs and the stuff we get standard over the US model will leave the pricing pretty much identical across the border. Anyway, I doubt it will be a big deal to get some subaru ballasts, bulbs and associated parts to do an HID conversion on the canadian spec STI. A lot easier than swapping mirror heaters and seat heaters. :-) Maybe I will be able to trade my canuck 6 disc changer for a set if yankee HID's.


Ours may be a little cheaper here but not much. I really hope the 30K USD number being thrown around is correct. I'd love to get one for 44K cdn! I'm planning for the 49,995 number but the 44K would be a real treat.
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Old 04-01-2003, 07:20 AM   #13
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Well,

For HID, I don't know what they will be able to do in a near futur.... If you look on almost all Audi with HID's, the lights that are on when you start the car are the fog light! Since the STi has no fog light, the HID would always have to be on to be legal in Canada and there is probably a reason why no car company makes that the Xenon are always on...

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Old 04-01-2003, 09:57 AM   #14
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I don't think the housings will be the same for Halogen vs Xenon. If you look at other cars with them, they are different.

For example, E46 headlight shape is the same across all models, but the Xenons on BMW and just about every other car maker have auto-leveling mechanisms, lenses that keep the light on the road and out of people's eyes. The housing that supports this is different. In the case of my car, even the Bi-xenon and the xenon housings are different.

Like you said, an upgrade may be possible, I'm just betting it will cost some serious coin though.

I don't mind waiting for the 2nd or 3rd model year anyways to see what changes they make.

BTW why doesn't the STI have fogs?
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Old 04-01-2003, 09:59 AM   #15
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When I asked Subaru, they said it's because of the weight... Personnally, I think it's a bit BS but well, who knows!

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Old 04-01-2003, 11:15 AM   #16
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The new subaru doesn't employ auto leveling mechanisms like the older JDM versions because it has a set of low and high beam HID's. The only part of teh halogen housing I can see being different is perhaps a diffuser or reflector, but I would assume that that's also swappable. If you look at the pics of the canadian WRX and teh american one the headlight assemblies look identical. Like I said before I think that we are the only market that's getting halogens, I seriously doubt tehy would manufacture new housings for our piddly market but who knows. I know I'm keeping my fingers crossed that teh differences are minimal.

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Old 04-01-2003, 11:31 AM   #17
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They are probably just using the WRX housing that is used in Canada and the rest of the world. Double halagen lights. The WRX and RS don't get HID anywhere.
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Old 04-01-2003, 11:43 AM   #18
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True, never thought of that (duh). Anyway, I doubt there will be much work involved in swapping the HID units in aside from ballasts and headlight assembly.

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They are probably just using teh WRX housing that is used in Canada and teh rest of teh world. Double halagen lights. The WRX and RS don't get HID anywhere.
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Old 04-01-2003, 12:30 PM   #19
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And the control switch in the dash, but yeah, shouldn't be too bad.
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From what I understood the northamerican version doesn't have the headlight leveling unit because it has a high and low set of HID bulbs and therefore doesn't have the switch in the dash? Can someone correct me on this? I would think that from the ballasts back the wiring would be pretty much identical.
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Old 04-01-2003, 12:49 PM   #21
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As far as I know there is a leveling switch so the driver can adjust to compensate for different loads in the car. The switch was in all the autoshow cars.
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Ah ok, cool. Thanks for the info!
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