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Old 03-30-2003, 03:12 PM   #1
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Default Kumho Ecsta Supra 712

I bought these tires in 215/45/17 for my wagon, mounted on rota tarmacs.

These tires are cheap, and that's really their forte. Iím not sure how much I like these things. Theyíve got pretty good handling and decent grip, but at highway speeds they donít have a positive on-center feeling and the steering just-off center is somewhat wooly.

They also seem to follow grooves in the road very easily and are very sensitive to road camber; thatís ok though.

What I donít like is how the steering is feather-light at the first few degrees off center, as if thereís lots of play in the steering rack. In terms of steering response the nokian snows I just came off were definitely more precise.
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Old 03-30-2003, 07:26 PM   #2
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I have the same exact setup up right now and I agree with your review. they are good all around tires and worth the money. For Auto-X, I would have rather had the Falken's for a few bucks more. I'm gonna keep havin' fun on them so I can try something new soon. Happy trails, Jefe'
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:58 PM   #3
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sorry to say but i agree mostly.. i had to full sets of these tires and i had bad luck with them running out of tread to soon.. also they follow the road groves to much were i live and it got worse as the tires wore on..i went with some falken azenis ST-115 this time.. shoud last longer than the kumho's.. higher tread wear rating and much quiter then the kumho's also...
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Old 04-03-2003, 09:22 PM   #4
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Good to know I'm not hallucinating.

Next tire for me will be Falken Azenis Sport in 225/45/17. Some say there's rubbing on a wagon if you lower it, but I'm not lowering it.
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Old 04-06-2003, 02:41 PM   #5
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Thanks guys. This is a very good review of these tires. They are cheap and you get exactly what you pay for. I'm not flamming anyone here. I'm simply thanking you for being honnest. I had those on for about a month on a previous car and I couldn't live with them.
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Old 04-07-2003, 03:31 AM   #6
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I have a set of the kuhmo 712's and right when I had mounted them on my rims and tried them out they couldnt handle I say about a couple thosand miles later as I wore them in they started to handle alittle better...I guess I just had to ware them in.... Overall these are decent tires, for the price there pretty good being there pretty cheap. Next time if I can afford to spend the extra few dollars might go with something alittle more better....

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Old 04-07-2003, 03:03 PM   #7
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the scariest tires i've ever been on, i would never buy them again, maybe the new kumho's that just came out but never these....in my m3 my traction control would come on in a straight line at 100mph where my other tires that would NEVER happen (that was pre-engine swap)...falkens are garbage imo, bridgestone s03's without a doubt have been the best, least wearing tires ever, you can burnout like crazy on them and they never really loose tread...its amazing, and as for grip...its what you expect from bridgestone s03's 1 of the best street tires available
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I agree, my car seems a bit unstable cornering at over 90 with Kuhmos.. But theyre pretty predictable sliding around corners.. I'll have to give the Bridgestones a shot next spring..
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:42 PM   #9
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well, coming from re-92's, they were god's gift to rubber. but yeah, they do leave something left to cornering. once I wear these out, S-03's here I come. just didn't have much money left after buying the P1's and getting super tires.
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Old 04-08-2003, 12:28 AM   #10
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i've been through quite a number of tires with my bmw...especially with rwd im a pro tire wearer....the s03's are just amazing....you will be VERY happy...now that i have them on my m3...once i get rims on my wrx...there is no question about the rubber it will wear
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I've had these tires at 1 track day and 1 auto-x now. All-in-all, not bad. They were kind of greasy at the track, but were overall ok. At auto-x I thought they were fine too. Sure, not fantastic, but work well enough.

Actually now that I've had some wear on them, they are much better to drive on, especially on the highway. That wobbliness is more or less gone, and although it still follows road ruts alot it's better than before, so I can live with these tires now. I'll probably go through them to the end before getting a set of azenis.

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Originally posted by paulatwork
Good to know I'm not hallucinating.

Next tire for me will be Falken Azenis Sport in 225/45/17. Some say there's rubbing on a wagon if you lower it, but I'm not lowering it.
If you do decide to go with springs, go with Prodrives, they will barely lower nyou while adding a good bit of performance.
OR go with the STI/SPT kit. I rode in Fastfood's sti/spt equipped car, and it rides VERY nicely (well, compared to 450+lb coilovers anyway )
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