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Old 03-30-2003, 10:55 PM   #26
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Hmm. I visit the forum ALL the time and never read that.
Actually, there have indeed been reports - check the tech sections. Doesn't mean that they are that bad, but the Evo can suffer from manufacturing defects just like any other car.

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Old 03-30-2003, 11:07 PM   #27
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Old 03-30-2003, 11:21 PM   #28
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Please show me the link to where an Evo tranny has failed. Like I said I've seen the reports of people having problems with grinding second during high speed/power shifting and maybe a few complain that it is a bit notchy when cold...but I need the link to any actual failures.
I am on the site everyday and read all the updated posts..I'd think I'd catch something like that.
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Old 03-30-2003, 11:29 PM   #29
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STI with 450hp, BYE BYE
I think you forgot to finish that thought:

STI with 450hp, BYE BYE DCCD
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Old 03-30-2003, 11:34 PM   #30
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looks better (subjective)
It look better than the bugeye but it certainly look weak compare to STI8's interior/exterior IMO
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Old 03-30-2003, 11:54 PM   #31
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Did I mention anything about the spec c wheel base vs the STi's? I think you have me confused with someone else. Either way, about the tranny's, I don't think one tranny has it over the other for durability, but the STi you cannot argue is the better over all tranny for performance (front LSD = STi / open diff = evo, DCCD = STi / standard viscos center diff = evo, 6 spd vs 5 spd......personal preference I guess, and my personal preference is the 6 speed for the close gearing. I feel the overall value of the STi is better for me. Seats? Well, I like the STi seats; not saying they are better, but they are plenty supportive enough for me during autox and track days and I am not going to not get the STi because someone thinks the seats in the Evo are better. Radio? That is trivial. If you want it to come with a radio than it comes with a radio, if not you can put your own in. Steering ratio? I don't think I will care enough if I have to take one quater more turn to go lock to lock. The STi steering will be better than my previous WRX's and I lived with that pretty well actually. There's only one thing the evo has that I wish the STi had, which is a sunroof even if it does add weight. I like the way the STi looks too. That makes it faster right out of the box. Again, I feel the STi is a better car for the money and for ME. Something I will have a blast driving.
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Old 03-31-2003, 12:13 AM   #32
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Please show me the link to where an Evo tranny has failed. Like I said I've seen the reports of people having problems with grinding second during high speed/power shifting and maybe a few complain that it is a bit notchy when cold...but I need the link to any actual failures.
I am on the site everyday and read all the updated posts..I'd think I'd catch something like that.
http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sho...threadid=17829

titled, appropriately enough, "transmission failiure"

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Old 03-31-2003, 12:30 AM   #33
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That's why I went with the Evo..it's lighter, comes with a stereo, looks better (subjective), and has always been the better handler..plus it's a little cheaper (probably). Also, my dealer service manager said he wouldn't void warranty if I did bolt on mods [/b]

Last I saw...the STi is the same weight. Better handler...I have seen many threads where it is predicted the EVO will lose in a autoX...not by much at all. And a little cheaper...well latest reports have seen as low as $30,995. So, you take your very lovely, high-performance sports sedan and go about your merry way....JUST STAY OUT OF OURS

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Old 03-31-2003, 12:32 AM   #34
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Oh, this is a gem of an article. Thank my tech editor for bringing it to my attention:

http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...hreadid=193263

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Old 03-31-2003, 12:40 AM   #35
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I'm absolutely stupified as to how folks can say the EVO 8 is a better buy than the STi solely because it has "better seats" and comes from the factory with a radio & CD. (!)

Seat comfort is so subjective a position that outside of a concrete park bench its possible to find anyone to love or hate a seats for its percieved 'comfort'. But to say a car is better or worst than another based on its seat...come on.
How about size of the glove compartment (my wifes pet peeve) or heft, shape & material of the shift knob (my own).
If the EVO 8 comes with super awesome seats, so be it.
Fellow STi guys (and gals) can always drop a few bucks on an upgrade aftermarket seat or even commision a custom job to our own exact butt size.
But to discount the tremendous technical advances of STi over the EVO 8 because of the seats, thats just lame.

As for the radio being left out as a standard feature, thank goodness Subaru is paying attention to its customers.
Many of us remove the OEM equipment and install all manner of bling bling aftermarket equipment.
By having the STi come with no radio actually is a boon for those who choose to 'customize' our sound systems.
Those who don't want to spend the time/effort on a custom setup can just opt to have the radio and CD player (single disc or 6 disc) installed by the dealer prior to delivery. No big deal, easy and quick...and the cost can be wrapped into the financing. Which is exactly what I expect to do with my STi.

Bottom line, no matter how comfy & supportive the EVO 8 seat maybe and nice sounding the 'factory installed' radio/CD might be, it ain't gonna help an EVO 8 hang or surpass the STi in as from the factory performance on the street.

What's next on the EVO is better list...It's better/faster because it comes with blue anodized aluminum brake, clutch and go-pedal surfaces?

Sheesh...


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Old 03-31-2003, 12:51 AM   #36
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i really don't know what your post was about due to the fact that most of the posts in this thread deal with handling and not seats. nobody here thinks that the EVO is much better car because of the seats but if you will be objective you will see that the EVO is no slouch and it is an amazing car which has many strong points even against the all mighty STI. one thing i do agree with you about is the fact that nobody should choose one car over the other based on stuff like seats and radio
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Old 03-31-2003, 12:55 AM   #37
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I thought the Ford vs. Chevy battle was bad. You guys sound like a bunch of 4 year olds...."nut uhhh, mine is better then yours"

Clearly these cars are extremely close in performance. Most on this and Evolution.net will never drive it to it's full potential. The only place you will see a tangeble difference with most people in in the 1/4 mile. What it comes down to is......

GET WHATEVER CAR FLOATS YOUR F'IN BOAT.

There is no need to put down another car in order to make your car look better. What kills me is most people who bitch about this debate will NEVER own or drive either.

I can't wait for all the tests to come out in print so we can do some magazine racing to find out which is faster

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Old 03-31-2003, 12:58 AM   #38
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mike,

that was the a great post

the only reason why i post here is because i am trying to decide between 2 cars who are both great and both have things going for them. the only thing i don't like here is the fact that some people are having a hard time admitting that they are both great cars.
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Old 03-31-2003, 01:06 AM   #39
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spburns maybe i dont understand what you mean by geometry. doesnt the spec-c have a longer wheelbase 2540 vs 2525 for the sti. and a tighter steering ratio of 13.0 : 1 vs 15.0 : 1?

are you saying that the usdm sti has 2540 wheelbase etc?

or are you referring to the struts? i'm confused
Yes, the USDM STi has the 100 inch wheelbase, just as the JDM spec C does. It has a 15:1 steering rack. It is unlike any other STi out there.

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Old 03-31-2003, 01:31 AM   #40
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Originally posted by spburns74 That doesn't make a lot of sense, the STi is the car you want to have on the track because it is faster, yet it can't keep up with the Evo on a canyon road? [...]
I was a bit confused by that too, until I figured out that to this author (or maybe the SCI editors (I've never even heard of the mag)), "track" means "drag strip". Hence faster in a straight line to them means faster at the track. Bizarre. Of course I watch road racing all the time, and I've never been to a drag strip nor watched drag racing on TV, so obviously when I think of being good at the track, it had better have good handling! To them I guess a public canyon road is the measure of handling.

As someone else implied, a public road in a canyon is a really bad place to be experimenting with the absolute limits of the car. If the EVO has a bit of understeer at the edge while the STi (with new geometry and DCCD) has oversteerish behavior, then perhaps the EVO would have the advantage if one were trying to drive 8/10ths without being very familiar with the handling (even more so if you kept expecting the STi to behave like a WRX).

Not that either one is going to be a bad car -- to say, "get the EVO, don't get the STi" is a pretty black and white decision which I find would be hard to make about many pairs of cars. I like the Sunday Times article, where basically he says both cars are great though different, and you know in advance what you're not getting with either one.
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Old 03-31-2003, 01:44 AM   #41
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The big advantage of the EVO is price.

The STi will do better on 91/92 (or 94 for that matter! ), has a better transmission: (DCCD-A), 6 speed etc.

Brakes, tires, handling is probably close enough to a tie not to matter.

Also I think the capacity advantage shouldn't be overlooked. I have heard the STi has "explosive" acceleration (not exploding gearbox though).

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Old 03-31-2003, 01:53 AM   #42
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I was a bit confused by that too, until I figured out that to this author (or maybe the SCI editors (I've never even heard of the mag)), "track" means "drag strip". Hence faster in a straight line to them means faster at the track. Bizarre. Of course I watch road racing all the time, and I've never been to a drag strip nor watched drag racing on TV, so obviously when I think of being good at the track, it had better have good handling! To them I guess a public canyon road is the measure of handling.
Actually, I believe the track in mention is Willow Springs. That is where the track test took place, according to Shiv. I have no idea what it's like, but I believe it has at least a few corners.

The entire thing just sounds odd to me, tbh.

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Old 03-31-2003, 02:01 AM   #43
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Yeah, and some folks are also in a troll war bouncing from forum to forum... (not saying it's anyone in particular...but it's going on from both sides/brands.)
*I* won't be the 1st, but will admit that these choices of cars are both great! I've been brand-loyal before; having 4 VW's. The STi will be the 2nd Subie (at the moment with a WRX `02). Heck, I'll even admit to e-mailing online a list of what I'd like on a EVO VIII a week ago to a local Mitsu dealer! BTW; the dealer never responded, so I e-mailed Subaru & within one business hour the dealer responded. It's matters not in tenths of a second which car is faster or handles better, `cause the STi isn't going to the track to race. We're all just car nutz! Choosing a brand over the other is a choice. As far as speed and handling go (say: "1,001") a second isn't worth a hill of beans. Comparing the two cars, other than selling magazines is moot.
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i totally agree with you!!!!
i also hope you weren't talknig about me when you said trolling between web sites
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Old 03-31-2003, 02:12 AM   #45
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i really don't know what your post was about ...
Oops...I was reviewing several different posts at once and placed my rant in the wrong area by mistake.
Sorry to confuse.

As for HFTuRbo, I agree as both the STi and the EVO are nice offerings in their own right.

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Old 03-31-2003, 02:40 AM   #46
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Nah... ...They know who they are! ("THEY")

The point is that in the amount of time it takes to blink an eye is causing such a big fuss in the data for @ car.
Sheesh, since most folks know what the WRX can do, it's rare to ever be challenged as it is in stock form today! But when the WRX `02 was new everyone wanted to race. The same thing may be going on with these new (US released) models. The anxiety sells cars. *Me*, I've always wanted an STi since reading about one years ago in a British mag.
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Regular 2525mm = 99.409"

Spec C 2540mm = 100"
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Its a matter of personal taste, i would pick the STi over the Evo any day.....simply because i want a car with performance that i dont have to add on after i buy the car, im paying 30 sum k for this car and i dont want to rag it all out with mods, i want a car to last regardless if it lacks in the "canyon driving" area, i ..personally dont care about canyon driving.....there are no canyons on my way to work.

anyway.....i went to see the evo in person......really wasn't special to me, the interior/exterior was kinda plain, but then again this is my personal taste. These are the kind of debates that never end
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omg, enough with the dash molesting please.

Each car has it's strengths and weaknesses, big deal. Drive them both, pick the car that's right for you, but enough with the stupid nitpicking.
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Old 03-31-2003, 04:29 PM   #50
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Is it just me? Has anyone in here actually owned a mitsu before? I have not had an ounce of luck out of them. They are the LAST Japanese car I would buy. After 40k miles expect to add one qt of oil for every tank of gas. Subies are MUCH MUCH more reliable. If you disagree that is all fine and well with me. What good is 271hp going to be if you are constantly worried about blowing the motor. I know I would be. Every review I have read about the EVO8 has stated that the clutch always felt like it was on its last leg. Granted tester EVO's get put through the rigors, but, if I buying one, that's not what I want to hear.
IMHO... The STI will be a far better car.

BTW... A quick question. How many people are actually out racing other cars up canyons runs? (we don't even have canyons around here) Now lets compare that to the amount of people who have raced other cars in a straight line. (Come on, I know you people has raced an annoying mustang on the interstate to teach him a lesson.)

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