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Old 03-31-2003, 06:33 PM   #51
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After 40k miles expect to add one qt of oil for every tank of gas
If that's the case..I'll get a new motor under warranty then..afterall it still has a powertrain warranty with that mileage. And if I think I may need it, I'll get the extended warranty for $1k extra...
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Old 03-31-2003, 06:58 PM   #52
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By all means you should get the extended warranty. What is the warranty miles anyway? I thought it was around 36k-3yr.

Just to make a point, I am not saying that the Evo will not perform well. My statements are directed at reliablity only.

But just for past comparison, How did the 3000gt vr-4 stack up to the 300zxtt, RX-7, and Supra. The last three are still highly sought after. Do you know anyone looking for a vr-4? I don't.

OMT... Enjoy those comfy evo seats
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Old 03-31-2003, 07:11 PM   #53
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just for the arguement I researched the warranty on the EVO and is as follows:
Every 2003 Mitsubishi comes with extensive coverage to ensure your satisfaction, including a 3-year/36,000-mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty; a 5-year/60,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty; and a 7-year/100,000-mile Anti-Corrosion/Perforation Limited Warranty.

At 40k you won't be covered with out the extended warranty.
I also think clutches are a part of that "limited" warranty. (after a certain amount of miles) I think.
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Old 03-31-2003, 08:22 PM   #54
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Flame suit on.

Extended warrenty. You guys will be modding and riding your vehicles hard. SOA or Mitsu will be "voiding" your warrenty due to "abuse". Both of these companies have been doing their fair share of this. Some of it warrented. Some if it BS. It seems rather random. We have seen people on this and other boards that want SOA to fix a tranny that's had a boatload of 6k dorps on it. DENIED. We have also heard of people who claim (I don't know if there is any truth in it or not, don't know them) to baby their tranny and guess what. DENIED. Also the other random denials of warrenty based on mods that have nothing to do with what's broken. DENIED. Wether this abuse is percieved or real, they will be doing it. I know, I know, some of you will say "hey why are they selling us a performance vehicle and not backing it". Others will be saying "hey they cannot void anything unless they can prove it". I suppose you will be arming youself with a laywer for this and fighting them no matter what the cost. As much as I would like to see them do the standup thing, when they shoud, however you determine that. We all know in some cases, they will not. I will not be giving them an extra grand for a warrenty they will either honor or not honor based on their perception of my driving style or some random alignment between Mars, Venus and Saturn. I'm hoping they will honor the standard warrenty should I need it. Even after saying all of this, it will not stop me from buying my STi, just not their extended warrenty. Ok, guys/girls the asbestos suit is on so bom's away.
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Old 03-31-2003, 09:22 PM   #55
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What do you mean the motor wouldn't be covered? It's a part of the powertrain.
As far as not being covered because of mods it's really different dealer to dealer. I have already talked to the service manager at my dealer and they will not void the warranty for simple bolt ons such as intake, exhaust, chip uprade, safc, etc. They are a "performance" oriented dealer where almost everyone there races cars. My saleman and the service manager even encouraged me to come to the next local sanctioned autox and run it..my salesman won his class last year. Along with all the paperwork I signed to buy the Evo, I was also given all the info I need for autox events in my area.
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Old 03-31-2003, 10:50 PM   #56
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Just to let you know a chip is not a simple bolt on. And if you think your dealer will look the other way if you show up with a blown motor due to a chip upping the boost and/or leaning out the mixture to get more power, you are dead wrong. Good luck though, if the dealer oks it I don't think Mitsubishi will be too happy.
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Old 03-31-2003, 10:56 PM   #57
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Just to let you know a chip is not a simple bolt on. And if you think your dealer will look the other way if you show up with a blown motor due to a chip upping the boost and/or leaning out the mixture to get more power, you are dead wrong. Good luck though, if the dealer oks it I don't think Mitsubishi will be too happy.
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Old 04-01-2003, 02:27 PM   #58
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Old 04-01-2003, 09:06 PM   #60
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Old 04-01-2003, 09:22 PM   #61
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please move this game to OT so t h e rest of us can use this forum for t h e reason it was created

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Old 04-01-2003, 10:52 PM   #62
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I myself have not sat in the STi's seats but I have sat in the EVO's and they look and feel like crap. If the difference between seats of the EVO, STi are that comparable then Ill go for the STi based on looks. This is my opinion on seats and plays a very, very small part on why I am buying an STi.
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Old 04-02-2003, 01:30 PM   #63
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I myself have not sat in the STi's seats but I have sat in the EVO's and they look and feel like crap. If the difference between seats of the EVO, STi are that comparable then Ill go for the STi based on looks. This is my opinion on seats and plays a very, very small part on why I am buying an STi.
Wow, that's the first time I've heard anyone dissing Recaros. They make my back and neck hurt but I think they look awesome.
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Old 04-02-2003, 02:02 PM   #64
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Just wondering if those putative advantages of the Evo on public roads may have something to do with its lack of serious hardware like the DCCD and front suretrac LSD.

I have had the experience in rearwheel drive cars of adding LSD and it did detract from the everyday driving experience and taking away from the feel of the car, even though on the track the car became significantly quicker. One had to push hard and use the diff and then it came all together. Without pushing hard the modification resulted in an overall less satisfying driving experience.

This is probably the same thing that happens when people really enjoy driving stock Miatas, even they are not especially fast. It just feels good to play with the car and its very approachable limits.

Anyway, I am curious to try both the Suby and the Mitsu and make my own mind up.
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Old 04-02-2003, 03:41 PM   #65
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Just wondering if those putative advantages of the Evo on public roads may have something to do with its lack of serious hardware like the DCCD and front suretrac LSD.
What constitutes a public road?

Traditionally the EVO has been seen as having a stiffer suspension and quicker steering.

This would work better on smooth services and less well on rough.

The Sti has been seen as having a softer suspension, which works better on rough roads. A car with too stiff a suspension tends to jump when encountering bumps and that's not good.
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Old 04-02-2003, 04:12 PM   #66
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Public road is any place where you need to worry about extraneous variables such as pedestrians, animals and other traffic and therefore unless you're a complete sociopath you are going to back off at least a bit. And if you've got serious hardware and the car is set up for using it you'll never get proper use of it unless you're at the track.

Yes the STI will probably have a softer suspension than the Mitsu. It will be interesting how that interacts with the hot diffs. American roads tend to be super smooth compared to European and British roads, thereby not allowing the testers to appreciate the softer Subie suspension that should provide better grip on rough roads. Anyone know what kind of surface this canyon road had?

The steering of the Mitsu may also contribute to it being perceived as more satisfying due to the car responding more telepathically. Owning a car with quick steer I can relate to this. IMO, if you get used to the slight nervousness, quick steering makes a car profoundly satisfying.

Thus, my as my envisioned mods for the STI I am planning on JDM bumper beams and spec C steering rack - hold it - I got to get the car first .
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Old 04-02-2003, 05:13 PM   #67
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Just picked up the March 26, 2003 Autocar with a comparison between Evo VIII and Prodrive STI.

Quote: "... over one sensationally fast and undulating B-road, when push came to shove it's actually the Evo - down on poke but still holding all the aces when it comes to front-end bite, steering precision, brake feel and general handling agility - that rules".

Will be interesting to see how that will paly out between the US Evo with less hardware and the USDM STI with its added harware.

Regardless, STI will be the only choice in Canada thanks to bumper regulations.
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The steering of the Mitsu may also contribute to it being perceived as more satisfying due to the car responding more telepathically. Owning a car with quick steer I can relate to this. IMO, if you get used to the slight nervousness, quick steering makes a car profoundly satisfying.
.....or scary on a public road, which leads back to the original question.
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Old 04-06-2003, 11:10 PM   #69
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Isn't great to be living through the new generation of Horsepower wars? Only now it involves two Japanese manufacturers with years of lukewarm sales and the latest in drivetrain technology rather than two domestic car giants with loads of brute force and cubic inches to spare.
This is the way I see it and it's the way I like it. Subaru and Mitsubishi will each have their own pros and cons, just like any other two competitors. My personal choice is Subaru because of my years of ownership after trying different makes. I also like the boxer, not many companies are dedicated to that engine design and the one's that are maintain a level of exclusivity. I haven't owned a Mitsubishi and maybe never will, this is why I can't say anything good or bad about their performance or reliability. I can say that I don't like there design as it tends to be a bit more feminine and soft, here in the US. I would jump at a chance to drive a home market EVO 1-6, Lancer GSR, even and FTO, those car looks much tougher and agressive,.. my opinion. What we should all do is take a moment to thank Subaru for starting the rivalry all over again, that same battle that had Chevy, Ford, and Dodge going at each other in the 60s and 70s. If not for Subaru's risk in testing the appeal of AWD turbo power in the USA and it's success with the WRX, would we have ever seen a Lancer EVO on our shores? Let the games begin!!
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