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Old 03-30-2003, 07:54 PM   #1
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Default Good luck getting a STi....

with all the Evo's being marked up over MSRP, I can just imagine what the markups on the STi will be. I know a Subi dealer by me who shall remain nameless, already said that there will be no list, but the cars they get will go to the highest bidders.

I'll just wait a few months to pick one up when some old man with money in a mid-life crisis who bought a STi during the hype, only to realize that he should have gotten a Cadillac SUV, puts his up for sale in the local papers.
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Old 03-30-2003, 08:19 PM   #2
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There are some good dealers out there that are willing to deal for MSRP. They know they can get more but are content with MSRP, because they know that a customer that is treated fairly will be a returning customer. I'm in a very fortunate position that I live reasonably near such a dealer. There are some dealers that are just plain greedy. They'll start spewing supply and demand ... yada, yada, yada. I know at MSRP they will be making a resonable profit, so I can't swallow that BS. I also know that they will get it, good for them, but not from me. And in the future when the STi is not the hottest new thing, and they have to settle for MSRP or lower, they will continue to not have my business. I will continue to deal with those that were fair to me to begin with. Here in CA there are many road blocks in buying a vehicle in another state and "importing" it to CA. I don't know if there are any restrictoins in NY for buying and bringing in new vehicles from another state. There must be a ton of dealers in the New England area that are within a reasonable driving distance. With any luck and a little leg work, you might just find yourself driving one at MSRP if you're willing pay MSRP and go a little ways. Good luck in your quest for your STi.
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Old 03-30-2003, 08:31 PM   #3
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I'm told Subaru has strict rules about charging over MSRP and that dealers are not supposed to do it. Same thing happened with Chryslers PT Crusier when it first came out a lot of dealers were in trouble for price gouging

I would bet if you bring this up to a manager you may see a change in the story then again who knows
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Old 03-30-2003, 08:56 PM   #4
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All this hype right now is just that. Hype. It's just a freaking car. This time next year they will be sitting on lots going for under invoice probably. That's how I got my 03 WRX. Nothing against the STi it sounds like a fantastic car, but this is a normal ocurrance with newly released cars.
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:03 PM   #5
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Many of us have been guaranteed MSRP on our "orders". There will be a point however when someone orders an STi, but changes their mind. An offer will be made to the next person in line for a STi if there is still a waiting list. But if an STi unclaimed makes it to the showroom floor it would no doubt be dressed with as many options possible and go for a higher price than to those waiting for one on order. (just an opinion) *I* however have had no such experience with Subaru. The WRX I have got $1,000 knocked off the price with the order in Jan. 2001.
Some dealers may not care about their mark-ups!
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Old 03-31-2003, 12:10 AM   #6
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Many of us have been guaranteed MSRP on our "orders". There will be a point however when someone orders an STi, but changes their mind. An offer will be made to the next person in line for a STi if there is still a waiting list. But if an STi unclaimed makes it to the showroom floor it would no doubt be dressed with as many options possible and go for a higher price than to those waiting for one on order. (just an opinion) *I* however have had no such experience with Subaru. The WRX I have got $1,000 knocked off the price with the order in Jan. 2001.
Some dealers may not care about their mark-ups!
I didn't think there were any options except for maybe the radio?

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Old 03-31-2003, 02:25 AM   #7
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I didn't think there were any options except for maybe the radio?
Yeah, so *we* were told. Did anyone see an alarm system? And do you want "Clearcoat" with that? Perhaps maybe a pinstripe here, foglights there, and so on...[?]

If there are strict rules about no marking-up the STi, then perhaps SOA should be given some info about some dealers trying to buy STi's from other dealers, so they can have them on the showroom to mark-up! It's happening.

I'm just glad to have had a sales manager who has been honest so far. He even said if someone were to cancel the STi it would be offered to the next person in line who ordered one for MSRP.
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Old 03-31-2003, 03:43 AM   #8
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I'm told Subaru has strict rules about charging over MSRP and that dealers are not supposed to do it.
Nope. In fact, Subaru has no rules for dealers.

All Subaru dealers are franchises and SOA has no control or say as to what a dealer charges for their cars. Now, if SOA owned some dealerships, they would most likely sell them for no more than MSRP since they own them... but they don't.
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Old 03-31-2003, 06:59 AM   #9
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I have spoke with SOA reps and they do frown upon price gouging. And if people complain enough about a particular dealership, they will step in. So if you have an issue with a particular dealership, once your done slamming them here, talk to SOA.
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Old 03-31-2003, 08:15 AM   #10
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OK to clear some things up here. MSRP means manufacturer's SUGGESTED retail price. Although SOA will probably not be happy with excessive price gouging, there is nothing they can do about it. That is how franchise law works, dealers can sell the cars for however much or little that they want and there is nothing that SOA or anyone else can do about it. That is Free Enterprise.

The "Good luck getting an STi" is not really realistic, if you were watching this forum you would see that many of the members have gotten in writing that they will not be forced to pay over MSRP. That is the ONLY way you can guarrantee that you will pay no more than MSRP.
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Old 03-31-2003, 09:27 AM   #11
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My wife is a manager at a dealship I'm getting mine for invoice
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Old 03-31-2003, 09:29 AM   #12
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OK to clear some things up here. MSRP means manufacturer's SUGGESTED retail price. Although SOA will probably not be happy with excessive price gouging, there is nothing they can do about it. That is how franchise law works, dealers can sell the cars for however much or little that they want and there is nothing that SOA or anyone else can do about it. That is Free Enterprise.
And because it is Subaru's franchise, SOA, SDC or SNE can decide not to sell cars to dealerships that don't conform to their policies. That's an extreme action, it would most likely be some sort of allotment penalization, but you see what I'm saying...

Car dealerships have commitments to the brand(s) they sell. They're not totally free.

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Old 03-31-2003, 09:31 AM   #13
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sorry, Evo's are already going for under MSRP. Some people who can't wait are throwing cash away, but they could easily find another dealer to buy from that is selling for under MSRP.
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Old 03-31-2003, 09:35 AM   #14
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And because it is Subaru's franchise, SOA, SDC or SNE can decide not to sell cars to dealerships that don't conform to their policies. That's an extreme action, it would most likely be some sort of allotment penalization, but you see what I'm saying...

Car dealerships have commitments to the brand(s) they sell. They're not totally free.

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Allotment penalization for not negotiating on price is illegal. The dealers pay millions for the franchise, so the makers have a commitment to them as well.

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Old 03-31-2003, 10:26 AM   #15
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Huh, I've been #1 on my dealer's STi list since the day I got my WRX (March 01).

I said "the STi is coming, you better start a list...."

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Old 03-31-2003, 11:03 AM   #16
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As mentioned, it is illegal to force franchises to sell at certain prices, IIRC. I have talked repeatedly to SOA directly and mentioned STi pricing. It's not like they like dealer-markups (none of the money goes to them) but they have no control legally.

My other example is McDonald's or any fast food chain. If you go into a franchise, they may or may not be honering the latest advertised deal (hense, "this deal may not be valid at certain locations"). The corporation advertises Big Macs ("2 for $2") to generate interest and get ppl to go to the stores. However, it is up to the owner of each store to participate. They usually do to take advantage of free advertising for them but they can charge $10 per Big Mac if they wish... they probably just won't stay in business for very long at those prices.

I talked about this with a Ford rep also. We were at a Franchise dealership and the rep did mention that there are some Ford-owned dealerships and they won't do any markups on any cars. However, SOA doesn't own any themselves.
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Old 03-31-2003, 12:03 PM   #17
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As mentioned, it is illegal to force franchises to sell at certain prices, IIRC. I have talked repeatedly to SOA directly and mentioned STi pricing. It's not like they like dealer-markups (none of the money goes to them) but they have no control legally.

My other example is McDonald's or any fast food chain. If you go into a franchise, they may or may not be honering the latest advertised deal (hense, "this deal may not be valid at certain locations"). The corporation advertises Big Macs ("2 for $2") to generate interest and get ppl to go to the stores. However, it is up to the owner of each store to participate. They usually do to take advantage of free advertising for them but they can charge $10 per Big Mac if they wish... they probably just won't stay in business for very long at those prices.

I talked about this with a Ford rep also. We were at a Franchise dealership and the rep did mention that there are some Ford-owned dealerships and they won't do any markups on any cars. However, SOA doesn't own any themselves.
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Old 03-31-2003, 02:17 PM   #18
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Oh, interesting!

I had no idea that there was a law preventing that. I learned something today!

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Old 03-31-2003, 02:41 PM   #19
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Old 03-31-2003, 02:51 PM   #20
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