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Old 03-31-2003, 12:33 PM   #1
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Default STi vs. Evo VIII, The Times (London) weighs in on UK versions

The meandering review, by Jeremy Clarkson, can be found at:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...626668,00.html
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There's a big debate raging in the motoring world at the moment over which of these two cars is best. The new Subaru is beefier than the old one and the Evo VIII is a bit more gay than the old Evo VII. So theoretically they've met in the middle.

Not so. The Evo was better on wide open roads and the Subaru was better when things got twisty and bumpy down by the lochside. But I'm talking about microscopic differences between two cars that are utterly, completely, soul-bendingly brilliant.
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Old 03-31-2003, 01:35 PM   #2
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The review is of a "Subaru Impreza 2.0 WRX STi (with Prodrive performance pack)".

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I agree they're not pretty. But you know what people say about ugly birds.
BTW, for those that didn't know in the UK "Bird" is a euphamism for "Woman".

Aside from the strings of self-humoring prose this guys review was about as lame as the garbage Warren Brown states weekly in the Washington Post. Such a long read to essentially say nothing.
This guys review was like a Chinese dinner, with big portions but after finishing I'm left as hungry as I was at the start.

I'm not going to tyake heed of any of these lesser & minor reviews by any of these so called automotive journalists until Car & Driver releases there own review here in the states on real US road. They'll lay down the facts and state who's who and what's what.

My prediction though based on their unabashed love for the current regular WRX, not too impressed recent review of the US EVO, and enthusiastic review of the WRX 'Spec-C RA' that the US STi 2.5L will eek out a win in their eyes as best overall.

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Old 03-31-2003, 01:41 PM   #3
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so, what do they say about ugly birds?
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Old 03-31-2003, 02:32 PM   #4
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Who cares what they say about ugly chicks! Take a look at the price!!! Oh I hope, I hope, I hope...

(yeah I know the USDM gets the 2.5 and the DCCD, but this UK one has the PPP on it which bumps the price a couple of K).
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Old 03-31-2003, 10:34 PM   #5
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I'm not going to tyake heed of any of these lesser & minor reviews by any of these so called automotive journalists until Car & Driver releases there own review here in the states on real US road. They'll lay down the facts and state who's who and what's what.
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BTW, Jeremy Clarkson is one of the most famous auto journalists in the world. He is not the best driver but he certainly has made a name for himself.

When C&D or R&T or whichever magazine get to test the two cars back to back, I really hope they bring in a professional racer to evaluate the cars at their absolute limit on a proper road course. I fear that most of the journalists who work for these magazines do not have the required driving skill to extract 100% out of these cars, therefore making their review less relevant.

In the past, R&T have brought in Bryan Herta (CART), Steve Millen, etc to do some serious testing. It is these drivers that can give a far more accurate assessment of the cars' capabilities. After all, it is at 10/10ths where you really get to understand a car's handling characteristics.

Tiff Needel from "Top Gear Magazine" drove F1 for a short time. His opinion counts...

"Best Motoring" has five test drivers with backgrounds in CART and other top notch series. Their opinion counts...

Just something to keep in mind as we try to grapple our way through numerous "STi vs EVO" tests over the next 6 months.
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Old 03-31-2003, 11:33 PM   #6
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I'd nominate someone like Walter Röhrl or Horst von Saurma. In other words, someone who's managed to navigate a car around the Nürburgring Nordschleife in well under 8 minutes.
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I can agree with getting someone who knows how to drive these things give it a shot, but there is also a flip side to the coin. Have someone who doesn't have any/very little racing experience, and have them give their opinion on the cars too. I think a number of people will be getting one of these and using it as their daily driver. Let someone evaluate how it serves in that capacity.
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Old 04-01-2003, 06:15 PM   #8
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rally_wannabe - how do I put this politely...

ugly birds go...fast...ahem...or something
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Old 04-01-2003, 11:40 PM   #9
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rally_wannabe - how do I put this politely...

ugly birds go...fast...ahem...or something
You have it backwards

ugly birds come...fast...ahem...or something
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