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View Poll Results: Should the STi top speed be electronically limited?
140 MPH - it isn't safe! 4 3.51%
147 MPH - whatever 2 1.75%
155 MPH - most EU cars seem to be limited to this 21 18.42%
170 MPH - this is pretty fast 7 6.14%
it shouldn't be limited, other than by drag 80 70.18%
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Old 04-02-2003, 09:31 AM   #1
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Default STi Top Speed - should it be limited?

Who thinks the STi will be electronically limited top speed wise, and to what?
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Old 04-02-2003, 09:37 AM   #2
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i dont think it should be limited, doing such is a terrible thing.

the fastar the bettar

(lol, how boy racer is that)
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Old 04-02-2003, 09:45 AM   #3
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faster is better, but my insurance already sucks because people can't drive responsibly. i can't imagine what it will cost to insure an STi when they first come out. not to mention what it will cost after a few idiots smear themselves all over the highway going 160mph.

ideally it would not be limited and people would know how to drive.

maybe subaru should send all STi owners to track school ala the saab viggen.
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Old 04-02-2003, 09:56 AM   #4
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I honestly think it SHOULD be limited. That way the insurance will take a slight break, and you can buy a $119 part to take the limiter off.
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Old 04-02-2003, 12:50 PM   #5
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It'll prolly have a limiter. I can hear some people complaining about it already.

So what? Where you gonna drive that fast anyway...

Wonder if Glenn knows if/what it'll be...


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Old 04-02-2003, 01:00 PM   #6
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the only way a stock STi will hit 170 is with a 50mph tailwind going down a 30% decline
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Old 04-02-2003, 01:23 PM   #7
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noo limiter...

this is a true sports car not an SUV
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Old 04-02-2003, 02:02 PM   #8
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My choice for the limiter didnt show on the list. I vote for 120. I dont want anyone driving on the street this fast anyways. If you are tracking it in some fashion (dirt or drag too) I dont mind removing the limiter but Im afraid some looser will be on the bridge I drive across in the morning going 150+ mph and crashing causing me to be stuck in traffic.
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Old 04-02-2003, 02:52 PM   #9
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Talking How much faster would stock go?!

There's no need to limit a high performance vehicle. Anyway in stock form, how much faster would it be?! (guessing 162mph)
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Old 04-02-2003, 03:01 PM   #10
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I hope it is not limited. (im sure the auto journalists have already tested it)

Subaru has already made a good impact on the performance market by introducing the STi, big HP, big torque...now think what would happen to the european press and Mfg.s if a Subaru had a top speed of 155-160mph...they'd crapo

Should be interesting..........

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Old 04-02-2003, 03:36 PM   #11
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The Lancer Evo top speed is 157mph... I hope the STi is same or faster.

If the car is built to go this fast, then it should be safe right? As long as you do it at 3am on a straightaway freeway right
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Old 04-02-2003, 03:55 PM   #12
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If a car has the potential to go 200 maybe then they should limit the top speed. I think it rediculous for a 300hp car with a top speed potential of around 160 to be speed restricted.

As far as I know our WRX's in AT models were top speed limited and the MT was not. I know the European markets have a agreement on a specific max speed although its rather high(autobahn).


Im not current on car specifics but the bikes we get here are speed limited to 186mph.
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Old 04-02-2003, 04:06 PM   #13
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I think the two previous posts to mine are rediculous.

Unfortunatly we cannot control who owns these vehicles. Most often the people who would have the experience to travel at these high speeds are the ones who follow the speed limits.

They realize that a time and place exists for this speed. If you have the car in this enviroment disabling the speed limiter is one a large list of modifications.

Id like to hear the reasons why many of will EVER get above 130mph. Even a drag race shouldnt reach this speed.

krzyray: A car built to go fast is not the same as a car built for top speed.
Besides, what if its 3am on the highway that you do this and a deer happens to be crossing the road?


4or2wheels: What reason do you have to travel at anything over 120? Say you are autocrossing/rallycrossing. I doubt you ever see over 65. How about canyon runs. 85? 95?
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Id like to hear the reasons why many of will EVER get above 130mph.
I might be able to hit 130 down the back straight at Watkins Glen in the STi. But my car will never see that speed on a public road.

And you're right - the people with the skills to drive that fast generally know better than to do that on the street.


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Old 04-02-2003, 08:02 PM   #15
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To be honest, I don't know exactly why anybody finds it that interesting to drive at 150mph+ speeds. And I'm stating this after having done it - it's rather boring, to be very honest. If you were in a rattletrap car that made going 120mph+ literally a death-defying deed, I suppose I can understand it from a suicidal point of view. God knows there is enough idiots that are that suicidal.

But straight line driving at 150mph+ in a competent car is, well, boring. The scenery moves by a little faster. You have to make sure you don't move the steering much. And that's about it. Whee.

Once you learn how to corner competently, straight-line high-speed driving holds very little thrill.

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Old 04-02-2003, 09:35 PM   #16
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'04 STi/shirokuma: Thanks guys, I dont feel so alone now. You understand exactly where Im coming from.

Expanding on what shirokuma said I have had all of my ear to ear grin experiences at or below 80mph. For example, riding in an older impreza with a wrx engine swap modified, that thing was so fast from a stand still my Smile hurt afterwards


This may be one of the times subarus ad campaign works "when you get it, you get it"
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Old 04-02-2003, 10:01 PM   #17
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I don't want a limiter, the Silver State classic has STI running flat out written all over it, I was able to get an '01 Outback Wagon up to 132 MPH on this road, the pics were taken standing in the same spot 180* to each other.

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Old 04-02-2003, 11:13 PM   #18
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Default Relative speed issue.......

And while I agree with you guys, until you have been 195 in a twin turbo Porsche( as a passenger) or gone 175 before braking into the chicane at say Watkins Glen, it's all relative. If a mildly modded STI will go 165 mph,..that is very fast in a car that isnt terribly aerodynamic. To go 152mph in my 88 Jetta with a G60 supercharger felt more exciting than 176 in my 944 turbo. I know at Daytona a 911 GT3 RS goes 170 mph before you brake HARD WHILE STILL TURNING,.and then dive into the infield,....

And while I did and experienced all my crazy stuff BEFORE I became an racing instructor and speak out against people who do these kinda' things,...there are times when I am caught driving back from Road Atlanta on RT85 in South Carolina where its' like 5 lanes and 12 miles of flat wide open road !! This section is sooooo long and flat that when my buddy came through in his AMG c32 RENNTECH at a ball80, as the wind noise woke me up.
( 3AM ) it didnt look like more than 115 until I noticed the speedo pegged. and so here is my point to your response about
"its'boring"...there is a slight kink as one hill crest another, and he took this kink flat and never lifted........I have not been in a car with him since, and yes I feared for my life, and thought of my 3yr old son and the race I had won 12 hrs earlier.

So yes ,.I think the car should be limited, and I think they should make yoiu take a Skip Barbor or Tim o'Neil rally school before taking delivery.


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Old 04-02-2003, 11:36 PM   #19
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The STi limiter should be set from the factory to 155 or lower. This will reduce the insurance by some I would guess, plus its dead easy to remove. Most car makers have the option to turn it off in the dealerships diagnostic stuff. You can even have alternate ECU flashes avalible to cure different problems, and one of them might just be a slightly better tuned version that someone "forgot" to set the limiter in.
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Old 04-02-2003, 11:52 PM   #20
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Anyone that limits the top end of cars should be hung. Esp. a performance car like the STi.
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Old 04-03-2003, 12:01 AM   #21
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thats the prettiest site of a road ive ever seen,

where is it??
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Old 04-03-2003, 12:06 AM   #22
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Nice road, I could see myself topping out a STi there just to see what it can do. Then drive home doing the speed limit.
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Old 04-03-2003, 12:18 AM   #23
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Expanding on what shirokuma said I have had all of my ear to ear grin experiences at or below 80mph.
Putting a limiter on a car is pointless! There are plenty of ways for a novice to get into trouble without ever getting near 150mph. Sure Subaru can try to limit it's liability in this litigous society of ours by limiting top speed, but doing so is just as bad as dialing in too much understeer in a car's suspension setup. Both solutions go against the spirit of this car.

So you're probably wondering, why not just remove the limiter? I wouldn't because I NEVER modify any of my cars. I don't want to run even the SLIGHTEST risk of jeopardising the car's warranty .

This is EXACTLY why I want an STi. It has EVERYTHING I need in terms of handling and performance, WITHOUT having to resort to ANY modifications.

And, you're also wondering where I will be driving 140mph in a controlled, safe environment. There are at least 2 tracks (Brainerd and Road America) in my vicinity where the STi will probably do about 140 mph on the front straight. At Brainerd, my Integra Type-R does 130mph before entering turn 1 flat-out. It could probably do another 5 mph IF it had the horsepower. I'm guessing the STi can also do about 135-140 in turn 1 and about 120 mph in turn two.

If the STi had a 120mph limiter as you suggest, I would be going 20mph slower in turn 1 and I'd be bouncing of the limiter in turn 2. Oh what fun!

A good driver can find plenty of opportunities to have fun at speeds above 80 mph in a controlled, safe environment. Also, it takes a lot more skill to drive near the cornering limit at 120 mph than at 80 mph.

I don't need Subaru to tell me how I can or can't drive my car.
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Old 04-03-2003, 12:28 AM   #24
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97itr153: So why dont you vote for the 155mph limiter then? Since from your example you wont come near that speed.
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I actually never voted on a limiter - my own right foot does that - I was just stating my opinion of those speeds on public roads. Unfortunately, the vast majority of STi owners will not see triple digit speeds on a race track, because they won't go to the track in the first place.

The reality is that Subaru most probably will put a limiter in if the tyres themselves are not rated beyond a certain speed. If they are rated up to it's top rev-limited speed, then it's likely they won't put a limiter in.

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