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Old 04-02-2003, 03:31 PM   #1
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Default Subaru B5, Subaru B7, Subaru B9, Subaru B11

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Date Filed/Country...

2003-02-25/CA & 2003-02-25/AU

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SUBARU B5, SUBARU B7, SUBARU B9, SUBARU B11

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Fuji Jukogyo K.K.
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Old 04-02-2003, 03:45 PM   #2
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good find.
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Old 04-02-2003, 04:18 PM   #3
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Indeed a good find!

Now the question is what does this mean. I know these are platform identifications. Will we be seeing a new platform line-up the next time all the platforms are redesigned? Sounds a little like the BMW line-up.

Let me take a stab...
B5-Justy Size
B7-Impreza Size
B9-Legacy Size
B11-Mid-Large Sedan, like the B11S (Larger than Legacy)
Just a guess.
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Old 04-02-2003, 04:40 PM   #4
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Indeed a good find!

B5-Justy Size
B7-Impreza Size
B9-Legacy Size
B11-Mid-Large Sedan, like the B11S (Larger than Legacy)
Just a guess.
Great find!


B5- impreza?
B7- forester?
B9- legacy?
B11- B11s?

but then where does that leave the larger 7 passenger suv?
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Old 04-02-2003, 06:09 PM   #5
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pretty interesting site, not just on the subaru side (all those bx denomination) but also for other car makers

notice the rl-class and x-class registered by mercedes, new models coming?

or vw marakesh, and cited as a golf based suv
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Old 04-02-2003, 06:21 PM   #6
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Thumbs up Very interesting indeed!

My take is that Subaru may replace the current model names. Consider the following:

FHI will be celebrating its 50th year in business shortly. I read some time ago that the name "Fuji Heavy Industries" may be replaced by "Subaru," in celebration. That could also signal name changes for their model lines.

Impreza WRX = B5-2.0WRX

Forester 2.5XT = B7-2.5XT

Legacy 2.5GT = B9-2.5GT

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Old 04-02-2003, 07:10 PM   #7
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Smile Could this be close?

How about B7 = Legacy

B11 = B11S or similar "Halo/Hero" model

B9 = whatever comes next

Hey, but what would I know?
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Old 04-02-2003, 07:31 PM   #8
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Originally posted by SUBE555
Indeed a good find!

Now the question is what does this mean. I know these are platform identifications. Will we be seeing a new platform line-up the next time all the platforms are redesigned? Sounds a little like the BMW line-up.

Let me take a stab...
B5-Justy Size
B7-Impreza Size
B9-Legacy Size
B11-Mid-Large Sedan, like the B11S (Larger than Legacy)
Just a guess.
I'll take a guess
B5 - next gen Legacy
B7 - 7 passenger crossover
B9 - next gen Impreza
B11 - B11
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Old 04-02-2003, 10:37 PM   #9
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I've never cared for the current naming system employed by Subaru. I much prefer a logic-based alpha-numeric system like what is being suggested. This is what BMW, Volvo, Mercedes and others use.

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Old 04-03-2003, 09:28 AM   #10
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Why go to the new B numbers,
Why not go back to the old GL's
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Old 04-03-2003, 09:50 AM   #11
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What are the chances that all of these names would only apply to concepts? Or is that too many concept vehicles to be expecting from Subaru?

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Old 04-03-2003, 10:13 AM   #12
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branding, image positioning, etc.

If Subaru wants to dramatically change what the market thinks of Subaru—outside of gearheads like us, a sweeping change in product names is one way of doing that. Subaru has to be careful however. They have a lot of name-equity in some of their product names, and they don't want to risk losing that. Here's a suggestion:

Replace the "car" line names with an alphanumeric system, like what's been suggested. Keep the current names for SUV and crossover-like models. For example:

• Justy (replacement) becomes a B5.

• Impreza becomes a B7.

• Legacy becomes a B9

• GT coupe (neo-SVX) becomes B11, as per concept.

This is all predicated that these cars will all have boxer engines, hence the "B" designation. The numbers (5, 7, etc.) signify the body size. Sub-designations (WRX, RS, GT and engine size, 2.5, 3.0, etc.) can also be added to the end.

• Forester name remains.

• Baja name remains.

• Outback name remains.

• Upcoming 7-passenger crossover gets a "name," not an alphanumeric designation.

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Old 04-03-2003, 10:17 AM   #13
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It's interesting that they are all odd numbers.

Like in BMW, the odd numbers are for sedans, evens for coupes.
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Old 04-03-2003, 10:30 AM   #14
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after thinking about it, im pretty sure subaru wont change name to that alphanumeric system for a few reason

1st - Name are starting to be well known in north america and changing system would cost a fortune, unless when they release ew model they clearly want to break from the previous gen of similar car (ie. impreza replacement, no link with it)

2nd - B5... and all that arent really good alpha numeric for multi engined cars, just look at bmw or mercedes (325, c240 where the 1 number or letter represent class, and the rest represent engine size) and adding name after that would sound well (what do you think of a b7 2.5rs) there is something wrong unless they want to have 2 engines only in each car, one main market and an sti version (b7 and b7 sti) and subaru wont do that especially in market like europe and japan where the impreza have about 5 different engines

so it leaves 3 possibility that i see for the use of these names, they are all their future prototype cars, or they are new platform codes, last one is some special version cars (ie b4, and new one could be a b5)
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after thinking about it, im pretty sure subaru wont change name to that alphanumeric system for a few reason

1st - Name are starting to be well known in north america and changing system would cost a fortune, unless when they release ew model they clearly want to break from the previous gen of similar car (ie. impreza replacement, no link with it)

2nd - B5... and all that arent really good alpha numeric for multi engined cars, just look at bmw or mercedes (325, c240 where the 1 number or letter represent class, and the rest represent engine size) and adding name after that would sound well (what do you think of a b7 2.5rs) there is something wrong unless they want to have 2 engines only in each car, one main market and an sti version (b7 and b7 sti) and subaru wont do that especially in market like europe and japan where the impreza have about 5 different engines

so it leaves 3 possibility that i see for the use of these names, they are all their future prototype cars, or they are new platform codes, last one is some special version cars (ie b4, and new one could be a b5)
Some names do have a lot of market equity, I agree. But others don't. Names/designations like "Outback," "WRX" are worth keeping. I'm not so sure about "Impreza," or "Legacy." Think about it: The first thing that pops into your mind when you thinkeof the WRX is "WRX," not "Impreza."

As to the engine/trim level issue, assuming the Impreza (WRX) becomes a B7, it could be: B7-2.0WRX or B7WRX.

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Old 04-03-2003, 10:43 AM   #16
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Since Subaru is contemplating pulling the Impreza line out ow WRC, I might even see the WR pulled form the name.

So that would leave designations such as

B7
B7X
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If they wanted to make a segue that everyone could follow, they could just combine parts of current model names with the new designation. Kind of like the Legacy B4 in JDM. After people are familiar with a WRX B7 or whatever, they could more easily make the switch just to the B7 as a model designation. ON the other hand, they could end up with some horrifically long names for their models.
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You mean like Subaru Impreza WRX STi Spec-C? I like the BMW-type naming, M5, M3, 540i, 540i Sport......etc. It's easy to define classes, 3, 5, 7, X. It helps people differentiate and make the easy assumption, higher number=bigger, more power. STi does a similar thing, though by generation, S201, S202, S401... Actually, now, come to think of it, the Impreza should be a 2-series, the Forester a 3-series, the Legacy a 4-series, the B-11S a 5-series, the 7-passenger a 6-series. Oh what the hell, lets just keep it as is unless someone can come up with a better naming scheme! I don't mind Legacy, Impreza, Forester... , but I think they could use a little more logical naming system. The Forester has moved ever so slightly in that direction (X, XS, XT) and it makes sense. Use a single base letter for model designation and run with it. Just another 1 penny idea.
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If they wanted to make a segue that everyone could follow, they could just combine parts of current model names with the new designation. Kind of like the Legacy B4 in JDM. After people are familiar with a WRX B7 or whatever, they could more easily make the switch just to the B7 as a model designation. ON the other hand, they could end up with some horrifically long names for their models.
I agree. Short names/labels are best. Perhaps the engine designation should not be part of the "official" name?

Mercedes went through a name refinement a few years back. If you recall, what is now called an SL300, used to be called a 300SL. Mercedes thought—and I agree with them—that it was more important to identify the the body style first, and then the engine size, which is now the reverse of what they used to do. If Subaru goes this route, they should follow the Mercedes formula: ID the body first, then the trim and/or the engine. It's the most logical way of labeling a vehicle, IMO.

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Some names do have a lot of market equity, I agree. But others don't. Names/designations like "Outback," "WRX" are worth keeping. I'm not so sure about "Impreza," or "Legacy." Think about it: The first thing that pops into your mind when you thinkeof the WRX is "WRX," not "Impreza."

As to the engine/trim level issue, assuming the Impreza (WRX) becomes a B7, it could be: B7-2.0WRX or B7WRX.

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maybe here in north america these names worth more, but in other market they are well know


pretty much all car maker keep the name of their car when redesign, unless they clearly want to breakup with the previous generation ( the ford windstar name is dropped in favor of freestar, since they want to promote a totally new car, on the other hand, honda civic exist since 1972 in different forms)

only car maker i can think of that switched from names to alphanumeric is acura and all models were completly different from the previous one.

Subaru is a too small company to start promoting new name denomination worldwide at the same time, would cost way too much money they can afford, and they cant go slowly either since that marks a breakup with previous cars
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If you dropped the "B" you could get a distinction like other cars currently have:

520t - 2.0 Impreza Turbo
525 - 2.5 Impreza
525sti - Impreza STi

725 - 2.5 Forrester
720t - Forrester Turbo

925 - 2.5 Legacy
930 - 3.0 Legacy

...and so on.

or, you could just call it by the number - Subaru 7...ala Mazda.
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If you dropped the "B" you could get a distinction like other cars currently have:

520t - 2.0 Impreza Turbo
525 - 2.5 Impreza
525sti - Impreza STi

725 - 2.5 Forrester
720t - Forrester Turbo

925 - 2.5 Legacy
930 - 3.0 Legacy

...and so on.
And get sued by BMW. Whatever system they come up with, it has to be differerent enough from other brands to avoid confusion, and lawsuits.

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maybe here in north america these names worth more, but in other market they are well know

only car maker i can think of that switched from names to alphanumeric is acura and all models were completly different from the previous one.
Now, I have no clue what could happen...well I guess none of us do. But I could see Subaru doing something similar to what acura did, phasing out their current names as the vehicles get resdesgined. Remember, that Acura was basically working with one platform: The Accord platform that they transformed into three different cars. They got rid of the old names when they changed to the newer Accord platform. This changeover wasn't really something that happened overnight because we have just recently seen the end to the last named Acura when the integra became the RSX after the redesign of the Civic platform.
I could see subaru doing the same thing as major redisgns happen to their current platforms, and introducing a new numeric system slowely as the now models come out. I think this would make a lot of sense if Subaru is trying to attract people who are looking at the lower end luxary cars.
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maybe here in north america these names worth more, but in other market they are well know
Just because the change the name here down't mean it has to be that way elsewhere in the world.
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The 626 just became the 6.

The 323 is about to become the 3.

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