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Old 04-04-2003, 02:20 PM   #1
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Old 04-04-2003, 04:06 PM   #2
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Default STi is a slug !

1:34,8 (Evo VIII with 276hp) vs. 1:38,1 (300hp, 400nm STi 8) ??

I am really surprised. It seems that the STi is still a slug compared to the EVO. Apparently, nothing has changed since EVO 7 vs. STi 7.

Do you think that the USDM Spec geometry and DCCD will make a big difference?

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Old 04-04-2003, 04:13 PM   #3
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Default Re: STi is a slug !

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Do you think that the USDM Spec geometry and DCCD will make a big difference?
Yes, and the USDM's EVO's open/viscous diffs and lack of ACD/AYC will make a difference too.
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Old 04-04-2003, 04:16 PM   #4
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I must really be missing something

EVO 299 hp
187 ftlbs

STI 300hp
299ft lbs


With those #'s and almost the same weight it makes
absolutly no sense how a car with over 100 ft lbs of torque more
would be considerably slower.

Every european mag has the sti faster straight line.
This time it gets, as far as I am concerned DESTROYED in the straight line.

Give me the STI and I will beat the evo in a drag race hands down.
Lets get this car over here.
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Old 04-04-2003, 04:20 PM   #5
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weak... too bad our evo sucks =\
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Old 04-04-2003, 04:20 PM   #6
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I must really be missing something

EVO 299 hp
187 ftlbs

STI 300hp
299ft lbs


With those #'s and almost the same weight it makes
absolutly no sense how a car with over 100 ft lbs of torque more
would be considerably slower.

Every european mag has the sti faster straight line
this time it gets, as far as I am concerned DESTROYED in the straight line.

Well, the Evo has like 280'ish pound feet of torque so it must be a typo. The STI seemed off the pace overall, the 5.3 0 - 60 time is especially slow. More like what you would expect of a stock sti without the PPP kit.
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Old 04-04-2003, 05:44 PM   #7
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I think that the US model STi will boast better numbers with it's low end torque, but who knows until we see the US mags beat the hell out of them?
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Old 04-04-2003, 06:36 PM   #8
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Im pretty sure the US battle between the 2 might not be any different (I totally hope im wrong), I do know that the STI had a slight disadvantage on those lap times due to a longer final gear, a .6 difference, which is a lot. Im not to good on the math but it seems that the STI should have an alright ratio throughout all 6 gears matching its final to keep the evo in its mirrors, I guess the final is still a little long. As for the body roll, looks like time to shop for stiffer springs and add that tower brace that it doesn't seem to come with.
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Old 04-04-2003, 07:07 PM   #9
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The torque on their 2.0 is the same, 300lbs at 4k, I really hope our new 2.5 can make a difference
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Old 04-04-2003, 07:35 PM   #10
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i wonder how/why they got 5.3 for the sti.

hp/tq are basically what the USDM is...hmm
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Old 04-04-2003, 08:06 PM   #11
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Yeah....Car and Driver got 5.4 out of a WRX!
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Old 04-04-2003, 11:39 PM   #12
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that is a 2.0 Sti with a performance package on it. That extra .5 litre on the US version will make all teh difference in the world. Have any of you been in a 275whp WRX, then step out of it and into a turbo'd 2.5 RS with the same amount of power? It's a mouth dropping experience. They even pull well from a 5mph roll in 2nd gear.

Even with the PPP, that Sti is good for more than a 0-60 in 5.3. That was .6 sec more sluggish than then Evo, but buy the end of the 1/4 it was only .1 sec difference. (assuming the 0-60 run and quarter were done in the same run). 5.3 is simply bad driving.

As for the handling. I believe the Evo may still have the advantage even without the ACD with the STi having DCCD. The Evo has alway been known to be crisp.

I haven't seen a report of a US Evo getting very close to 12's stock, but I bet the STi will get really close. I think 13.47 was the best I saw for the Evo, which is still not bad.
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Old 04-04-2003, 11:46 PM   #13
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The torque on their 2.0 is the same, 300lbs at 4k, I really hope our new 2.5 can make a difference
Yeah, but that's peak . The area under the torque curve below 4000 is sure to be quite a bit greater on the American breed. This is not only a potent vitamin for 0-60 performance, but also pulling out of teh corners, dropping track times tremendously.

I never figured the 2.0 in the STi would be much better than the one in our current WRX. That's why I have always said that I would car a bit about it coming to America. My mind completey changed when I heard about the 25% bump in displacement.
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Old 04-05-2003, 12:07 AM   #14
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Yeah....Car and Driver got 5.4 out of a WRX!
cuz those ppl cant drive.
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Old 04-05-2003, 12:27 AM   #15
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the Top Gear time for the STi is extremely slow.

the AutoCar article discussed in another thread notes that the STi is faster than the exact Evo which is tested in this article (same license plate as the AutoCar test car).

The AutoCar article also notes that the STi is almost 2 seconds quicker to 100mph, so I think the STi Top Gear had (not the same one as the AutoCar test) was overly slow.



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Old 04-05-2003, 10:45 PM   #16
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weak... too bad our evo sucks =\
Have you driven a USDM Evo?
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Old 04-06-2003, 01:31 PM   #17
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Have you driven a USDM Evo?
You don't need to. Just read about how badly the EVO has been emasculated when it came stateside, you can figure out what it is capable of. Case in point, the lack of a Front LSD along with the replacement of the Kickass Active Center Differential with a Viscous coupler and also the removal of the Active Yaw Control in the US version, that would prevent the US-spec EVO from carrying too much corner speed - all of which are at variance from the article described above, with an EVO that has everthing that the US-spec EVO has been denied.

Comparing a US-spec EVO to the EVO pictured above, is comparing apples and oranges. Also comparing the US-spec jaw dropping 2.5L Turbo STi with the DCCD to the weakass STi with the 2.0L and the PPP package is also apples and oranges.

It is foolish to draw conclusions from any tests done abroad, and extrapolating them to the EVOs/STis available here. Apples and oranges....more like red grapes and jackfruit.
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Old 04-06-2003, 01:34 PM   #18
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Of course, if posting such foreign articles will shore up the flagging confidence of the EVO shoppers in the US, then keep it up. Either way, the EVOs available elsewhere are not the EVOs you get to buy here.
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Old 04-06-2003, 02:53 PM   #19
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Old 04-06-2003, 10:43 PM   #20
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Umm, yes you do. The US Evo is actually a really great handling car and is under-rated. It has plenty of power. There are several people on evolutionm.net that are running 13.5x @ 101+ their first time at the track. With those trap times and the overall weight of the car/driver it equates to 300hp. Not only is it pretty quick it has quicker steering than the Sti 13:1 and has the exact suspension and suspensions settings as j-spec Evo. There are actually people praisning the handling of the US Evo compared to euro/j-spec because they feel the ayc is a hinderence to "feeling" the car. Also, keep in mind several people that have driven the US version of both still feel the US Evo has the overall handling advantage...it is simple a better chassis/suspension design/setup....argue all you want..it's fact. The Sti will do VERY well with what they have to offer as far as chassis, suspension, etc. but it still lacks compared to the Evo. Power-wise the Sti will of course be a few 1/10ths or so quicker in the 1/4 but a few tenths is really just a drivers race. The Evo is pretty easy to drive quick with it's good lowmidrange power (thanks to twin scroll turbo) and its close ratio gearbox that keeps you in the powerband on each shift.
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Old 04-06-2003, 10:54 PM   #21
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This is going to be a descision that comes to personal preferences. For me personally you get more for your money with the STI. Plus I would just be kicking myself in the head if I had gotten an Evo. I would rather wait. I have already made my descision
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For people who have already purchased this emasculated US-spec EVO, they will bring up any argument to justify that.

For folks who have not bit the bullet yet, I would suggest to wait a bit until the STi gets here.

I used to wave the EVO flag a lot in the past....until I read about the US-spec EVO and what it is coming with, stateside. Then I read about what the US-spec STi is packing and the EVO was history, as far as I was concerned.

If they introduce the AYC and the ACD in the US-spec EVO at least as an option, I would seriously look at the EVO again. Otherwise, I might take a test ride to check out how it feels but knowing what it really lacks, certainly will not consider it for a purchase. JMHO.
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:40 AM   #23
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For people who have already purchased this emasculated US-spec EVO, they will bring up any argument to justify that.

For folks who have not bit the bullet yet, I would suggest to wait a bit until the STi gets here.

I used to wave the EVO flag a lot in the past....until I read about the US-spec EVO and what it is coming with, stateside. Then I read about what the US-spec STi is packing and the EVO was history, as far as I was concerned.

If they introduce the AYC and the ACD in the US-spec EVO at least as an option, I would seriously look at the EVO again. Otherwise, I might take a test ride to check out how it feels but knowing what it really lacks, certainly will not consider it for a purchase. JMHO.
I would test drive it if you can.
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Old 04-07-2003, 02:34 PM   #24
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Older links but relevant.

Top Gear test of the JDM STI and comments on DCCD.
http://www.topgear.com/servlet/tg?DE...Number=14.html


Link to Top Gear test of Prodrive performance pack......
The numbers given in the new issue almost exactly match the non Prodrive car.
http://www.topgear.com/servlet/tg?DE...Number=13.html
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Old 04-07-2003, 03:06 PM   #25
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agg why did i even click on this

there will not be any articles on our STI utill MAY 1
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