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Old 04-07-2003, 10:30 AM   #1
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Default the sometimes mentally challenged over at evolution.net

There is a post and a video of a guy doing 5000k clutch drops. I posted a friendly warning that its stupid to do that on a awd car. They are like well this isnt a weak wrx tranny and thats what warranties are for etc. What a bunch of idiots. It's going to be fun to watch all their transmissions start to die. I am really glad the sti won't be coming out till june. This way all the rice boys are going for the evo and the sti crowd will be a little more mature.
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Old 04-07-2003, 10:45 AM   #2
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It is interesting that many people can't see the connection between awd, large sticky tires and the harm done by dropping the clutch and bogging.

Think: gearbox being smashed with hammer.
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Old 04-07-2003, 10:55 AM   #3
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I just hope Mitsu gets a hand on that video
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:00 AM   #4
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how about a link?
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:04 AM   #5
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:51 AM   #6
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I was going to post this in another thread but it got deleted in order to post whore/be tacky/funny/provide myself intertainment from the flaming



Heres what I see so far and In generalizing -

Suby owner- I must have user tunable EM with control of every load point up to 9K rpms (for my future plans of a professionally built 2.5L race ready engine for the street car), every logging/ diagnostic gizmo that charts graphs logs, calculates as well as overlaps (for comparisons to the other gauges and datalogging devices Ive already got monitoring this exact same thing), a full fuel system upgrade(pump, injectors, rails, fpr) for a mild turbo upgrade, Suby guys need exhausts with fit and finish better than aftermarket porsche parts, subie guys need $2K turbos flowing enough cfm to be in max efficiency range of the next lower turbo only running 19 psi so "Its that much cooler and denser", subie guys need big enough injectors to keep IDC to ~85%. Subie guys need cross country trips for dyno tuning cause " Id only let 3 tuners touch my car" , suby guys need 4 day driving schools to "polish" skills

DSM and from the EVO performance pioneers- Alls we need for management is a factory ECU with a SAFC tuned with a well calibrated butt dyno possibly a NBO2 A muffler shop bubba made "test pipe" (aka no way in hell its ever going to be replaced with a mythical "production pipe" ) What do you mean cfm the 4G63 can take 24 psi from any turbo, Timing control huh the factory ECU takes care of that, the EGT is reading toasty but OK no need for upgraded injectors. No dynos for me my trap speed tells the tale all street tuned here baybe!, no need for drivers school when you a pro at fly byes

I love the EVO and they guys are all cool but come on we an average are a bit different in the way we do things No flaming please it was all in good fun
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Old 04-07-2003, 12:22 PM   #7
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I have no idea what you just said.
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Old 04-07-2003, 01:03 PM   #8
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5000k clutch drops
Holy crap! I thought a 5k clutch drop was bad!

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Old 04-07-2003, 01:05 PM   #9
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Holy crap! I thought a 5k clutch drop was bad!

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Maybe i slightly over stated it lol.
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Old 04-07-2003, 01:14 PM   #10
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The transmission can take it but the clutch probably wouldnt.
Remember that the Evo drivetrain is the same as the GrpN rally car drivetrain and it is very strong.
They need to use a competition clutch though for 5k drops.

There were a lot of WRX owners doing 5k and above drops too
To get a really good 0-60mph time, such a starting technique is probably necessary. A rolling start would be easy on the clutch but the times wouldnt be good.
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Old 04-07-2003, 01:20 PM   #11
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This way all the rice boys are going for the evo and the sti crowd will be a little more mature.
Sounds like you're real mature
Why would you call everyone at evolutionm.net idiots based on what a few do or say. There are PLENTY of mature people with Evo's. As a matter of fact, I'll bet there are going to be more mature Evo owners than there are Wrx owners..simply because of cost.
I am by far not a rice boy. I'm 30 years old and bought the Evo for autox/roadrace and because of its practicality.
The Sti and Evo are both great cars and very comparable...posting crap trying to make all Evo owners look bad isn't very mature on your part.
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Old 04-07-2003, 01:27 PM   #12
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i'm not sure which they should worry more about.......5000K+ clutch drops or just regular mitsubishi quality.
EVO tranny problems
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Old 04-07-2003, 02:17 PM   #13
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Yeah....no one in a STI will be doing any 5k clutch drops...

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Old 04-07-2003, 02:21 PM   #14
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To get a really good 0-60mph time, such a starting technique is probably necessary.
Only if you don't know how to slip the clutch.

That's the real reason for redline clutch drops you know.
Bypasses the necessity of developing decent launch technique.
My favorite comment from clutch drop junkies is that slip is just
as bad because you wear out the clutch.

It's like trying to explain to someone the importance of bending your legs while lifting so as not to throw out your back.....
their thinking is....yeah but your way is more likely to make my knees sore. They can't fathom the logic of -> sore legs minor problem -> thrown out back -> major problem.

Similarly, you don't crash in order to save wear on brakes, and you don't blow a tranny by trying to save wear on a clutch.

It's its been proven that you can get very fast times with WRX by slipping the clutch even with well over 300 hp.
Car and Driver recently tested a 320 hp M2 wrx at 4.4 0-60 and 12.9 1/4 by slipping, not dropping the clutch, and they specifically
implied that they knew that dropping the clutch would be bad news for the tranny.....
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...tyfile_wrx.xml
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Old 04-07-2003, 05:00 PM   #15
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suby guys need 4 day driving schools to "polish" skills....

no need for drivers school when you a pro at fly byes

I'm not sure quite what to say to that-

Perhaps Subie drivers (At least from what i've seen, if they're anything like Performance BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, ect. drivers) understand that there is _FAR_ more to driving than just being a "pro at fly byes" (*** is a fly bye?)... And understand that it takes skill to truly Pilot a Car, not just drive it...

*sigh*

******* mentality.

Of course, "subie" driver and "evo" driver are bull****, everyone is different. I do get the impression that Mitsu is pushing the EVO far more towards this childish mentality (spending ****loads to have the EVO featured in FTF2, making the car look like a Stock Mirage + M@D TYGHT Body kit) which is a real shame because I know the EVO has a lot more to offer than that. I'll be honest though (confessions of a BMW driver I suppose), Mitsu's marketing of the EVO is one of the number-one reasons I'm not considering it, yeah, my problem I know- But It just strikes me as being far too... childish I suppose.

But we're all different, a lot of you don't have that problem - that's cool. I have deep respect for any and all Drivers out there, whatever Car you choose, if It goes fast and you know how to handle it (I.e, turn in good times on the autoX course), more power to you.

If your buying it to do mad tight pro fly-bye's yo... sit down and shut up please...

Thank you:-P

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Old 04-07-2003, 05:22 PM   #16
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Title like "idiots over at evolution.net" is really not fair. There are many smart guys there. I know some of them are displaying the attitude like EVO is absolutely the best and everything else sucks (like Clausius telling me the STi is like a banana comparing to EVO chasis) but it should not make you think they're all idiots.
I'd suggest this title to be changed.
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Old 04-07-2003, 05:35 PM   #17
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I'm not sure quite what to say to that-

Perhaps Subie drivers (At least from what i've seen, if they're anything like Performance BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, ect. drivers) understand that there is _FAR_ more to driving than just being a "pro at fly byes" (*** is a fly bye?)... And understand that it takes skill to truly Pilot a Car, not just drive it...

*sigh*

******* mentality.

Of course, "subie" driver and "evo" driver are bull****, everyone is different. I do get the impression that Mitsu is pushing the EVO far more towards this childish mentality (spending ****loads to have the EVO featured in FTF2, making the car look like a Stock Mirage + M@D TYGHT Body kit) which is a real shame because I know the EVO has a lot more to offer than that. I'll be honest though (confessions of a BMW driver I suppose), Mitsu's marketing of the EVO is one of the number-one reasons I'm not considering it, yeah, my problem I know- But It just strikes me as being far too... childish I suppose.

But we're all different, a lot of you don't have that problem - that's cool. I have deep respect for any and all Drivers out there, whatever Car you choose, if It goes fast and you know how to handle it (I.e, turn in good times on the autoX course), more power to you.

If your buying it to do mad tight pro fly-bye's yo... sit down and shut up please...

Thank you:-P

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BMRBOY I think you misinterpreted the context of my post. I agree with everything you said but my unsuccessful attempt to be funny was overlooked. Yes I was stereotyping the EVO guys as being hacks and their jaded past of mad tight fly byes. Of course this can be said for a number of Subie and BMW "pilots" also-although in quite a lesser degree.
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Old 04-07-2003, 05:58 PM   #18
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Title like "idiots over at evolution.net" is really not fair. There are many smart guys there. I know some of them are displaying the attitude like EVO is absolutely the best and everything else sucks (like Clausius telling me the STi is like a banana comparing to EVO chasis) but it should not make you think they're all idiots.
I'd suggest this title to be changed.
Ok I changed it to the sometimes mentally challanged over at evolution.net

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Yes I was stereotyping the EVO guys as being hacks and their jaded past of mad tight fly byes
What?! How amny Evo's have you even seen? Jaded past of fly byes??? I've yet to even see another Evo on the road. How can there be tons of ricer fly byes in Evos when there are only about 500 sold so far in the US? If I'm mis-understanding you than I apologize.
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What?! How amny Evo's have you even seen? Jaded past of fly byes??? I've yet to even see another Evo on the road. How can there be tons of ricer fly byes in Evos when there are only about 500 sold so far in the US? If I'm mis-understanding you than I apologize.
Again dont take it too far but I was making fun of the fact of the older dsms rice status and "throw some parts on there yo" mentality (of course there is a fair share of properly tuned cars too), and the F&F crowd that are drawn to Mitsu and that carries over to the EVO (I dont think this car is rice but Its the peeps that will be getting their hands on it )
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Too be honest (and general), you sound like a bunck of snobs. No, it was not smart to put a video of his clutch drop on the internet. No, it was not a smart thing to do with 500 miles on the car. Yes, it has been done before by a lot of Subie drivers (who then cried fowl when their trannies broke). Those that are not "in the know" are common to all types of cars, not just Mitsu's. Think about it? Do you really think there will not be any Sti drivers out there launching there Sti hard and looking for the nearest EVO to race at a stoplight as soon as they get it? When that happens do you think they are gonna perform a soft launch or drop the hammer? This ***** exists everywhere, get over it. Drive your car the way YOU KNOW it should be driven and stop generalizing about then entire population that owns a particular model of car.

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Old 04-07-2003, 08:02 PM   #22
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I love generalizations! How about this MP5?

Who is more fun?

Read the thread titles here. Reads like a bunch of handwringers worrying about insurance and car-pooling and equity and interest rates and sun-roofs and station-wagons and no radio and trade in value and harsh ride and on and on and on.

Come on..... who would you rather talk to over a pizza, someone "politely concerned" about the life of your clutch or the guy who just spun all four wheels shifting into 2nd?


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I love generalizations! How about this MP5?

Who is more fun?

Read the thread titles here. Reads like a bunch of handwringers worrying about insurance and car-pooling and equity and interest rates and sun-roofs and station-wagons and no radio and trade in value and harsh ride and on and on and on.

Come on..... who would you rather talk to over a pizza, someone "politely concerned" about the life of your clutch or the guy who just spun all four wheels shifting into 2nd?


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Fair nuff I enjoy your posts over there at evonet too. You are definately one of the brighter ones - you need to get rid of that "rascal scooter" though before we can share in that pizza- Oh and I did just spin all four
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Read the thread titles here. Reads like a bunch of handwringers worrying about insurance and car-pooling and equity and interest rates and sun-roofs and station-wagons and no radio and trade in value and harsh ride and on and on and on.
Do not worry. It'll all change when we get STis.
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Oh and I did just spin all four
Ha!

You got snow there too?


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