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Old 04-08-2003, 09:22 PM   #1
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Default Why not Z or G35c?

Iím not trying to be a troll or cause agitation. I really like this group and I figure I ask a sincere question and hopefully I get some logical and meaningful answers.

Here it goes. Why so many of you guys prefer to go with STi rather than the Z or G35c? These two seem to have a better look, coupe, bigger engine, naturally aspirated, better interior, and have both become car of the year. And yes, STi has the AWD.

Iím torn between these two (STi V.S. Z,G35) and having a hard time to find good reasons why STi would make a better choice. Please help me with some valid answers.

Thanks!

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Old 04-08-2003, 09:27 PM   #2
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first of all you can do a search and you will find that the quastion has been asked many times before. and as for your question, it really depends on what you want from the car. for example, if you want brutish power, amazing handling and don't care too much for interior and luxury than STI is the right car for you. if you want comfort luxury and quality interior but still want some performance than go with the G35. if you want the looks, luxury but don't care much for room than you should go with the Z.
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Old 04-08-2003, 09:35 PM   #3
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The AWD. I want a fast car, but I also need one that has some practicality to it. Otherwise for $30k, I'd be looking at new Mustang Mach1 or a Cobra for a bit more.
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Old 04-08-2003, 09:43 PM   #4
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A couple things:

1) the AWD. Now that I've had a taste, I need the whole 2-litre bottle
2) I really don't like the way the Z sounds. Some say it sounds good, but I really find no appeal in its exhaust note. The STi on the other hand....

I still can't afford either of them, so this means nothing
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Old 04-08-2003, 09:48 PM   #5
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If a Ferrari and a Mercedes Benz V12 luxo-sedan cost the same, why would you choose the Ferrari?

Oh wait, because of performance, handling and little stuff like that.

The STi is leagues beyond the 350Z and G35 coupe in terms of performance. If that is not important to you, by all means, do not get the STi, because it's entire focus is towards performance, not cross-over luxury or grand touring.

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Old 04-08-2003, 09:55 PM   #6
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If a Ferrari and a Mercedes Benz V12 luxo-sedan cost the same, why would you choose the Ferrari?

Oh wait, because of performance, handling and little stuff like that.

The STi is leagues beyond the 350Z and G35 coupe in terms of performance. If that is not important to you, by all means, do not get the STi, because it's entire focus is towards performance, not cross-over luxury or grand touring.

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exactly, differenet cars for different people with different purpose.
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Old 04-08-2003, 10:17 PM   #7
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I am probably not an experienced enough driver to take any of those cars to their limit, so for me it is not as overwhelming a difference performance-wise. But there are a couple big reasons why I would not consider the Z (or G35):

1. Year-round driving: I can only afford (and park) 1 car, so it has to be useful all year. While I have seen several 350s and G35's getting winter tires on them, I don't think it is comparable to AWD or even FWD. That being said, I am in Toronto and I just came in from 2 hours of chopping through 5" thick ice on my driveway, and typically there are at least 4 wintery months/year. BenHayat, with you being in Florida this is likely not a concern.

2. Convenience: while I know I maybe shouldn't be buying a near-supercar for convenience, I like the fact that I can get that much performance and still take 4 friends out for lunch. I always seem to end up driving (which I like) but it becomes tiresome to constantly adjust my seats to load passengers in the back (I currently have a Prelude, so there is surely more room in the G35, but it is still inconvenient.)

That being said, I love the look of the Z, and if I could have more than one car I might consider it as a summer car. Also, the seats/cockpit in the G35 was IMHO the most comfortable of the autoshow. However, these are not nearly important enough to outweigh my needs, so when I can afford it I guess I will just have to go with the car that is "leagues beyond the" others in performance ;-)
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Old 04-08-2003, 10:44 PM   #8
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Well I guess you cant test drive an STI, but you can an WRX and you can a Z. Do those two. If lucky do an STI, then choose. The STI will be like a super WRX. More power than the Z. Probably more easily moded a little (40 to 80 extra HP with a ECU tweak). Probably not as nice as the Z, and not as torky as the Z (but maybe more). If you could get a Z with turbo it would be a no brainer (how much HP do you think you might get out of a low compression twin turboed 3.5?) but for the foreseeable future there is no turbo available unless you are willing to spend boo-coo bucks on a custom turbo build. I've had a bunch of cars, including a custom turbo 240z (bout 400HP), a 98 M3, V8 jeeps, sportbikes, and CRXs. The WRX is one of my all time top 3 cars so the STI should be better (as long as the throttle-by-wire doesn't hose it down...)
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Old 04-08-2003, 11:41 PM   #9
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Here it goes. Why so many of you guys prefer to go with STi rather than the Z or G35c? These two seem to have a better look, coupe, bigger engine, naturally aspirated, better interior, and have both become car of the year. And yes, STi has the AWD.
..Ben
The STi is geared toward drivers who don't put a high value on criteria like looks, engine size and interior quality and appointments. The Motor Trend "Car of the year" competition is a joke. It is geared toward the average driver, NOT the enthusiast. Last year, Motor Trend picked the Thunderbird

The fact that the G35 coupe has two doors is a disadvantage in my opinion, and the 350Z being a 2-seater means that it cannot serve as a daily driver. These cars give up a bunch of practicality and STILL cannot keep up with the STi on a track. Now why would I want that?

I want a car that can demolish a porsche on the track one day...
and take me through a snowstorm with passengers + luggage + child seat, the next day...
All for under 35k !

(Yes, here in Minnesota, it is not uncommon for a track day to come to a halt because of an April snowstorm !)

By the way, the only car that can give the STi a run for the money in handling (both objective AND subjective), performance, all-weather capability AND decent practility is the EVO. If you're looking into the STi, you should also be looking into the EVO. If you're considering the G35, you probably won't be happy with the STi.
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Old 04-08-2003, 11:44 PM   #10
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My father owns a 350z. I am so disapointed how slow it is! It has 290 horsepower and my stock wrx can keep up with it. I hate the shifter and the clutch! When at idle you cant tell the car is even running. The car handles pretty good, but it kind of feels heavy. The interior isnt that great ..........kind of plasticky. I love the bose sound system. You will def get alot of looks from girls...but I think the more people that buy them it will get old. STI on the other hand is just brute power! I will def buy a sti!
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Old 04-08-2003, 11:52 PM   #11
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These cars are not in the same performance class as the STi.

Think E46 M3, 911 C4....
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Old 04-09-2003, 05:53 AM   #12
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These cars are not in the same performance class as the STi. Think E46 M3, 911 C4....
You said it, Glenn...
I always wanted a 911S way back in the 70's. As years went by the prices just kept increasing out of range for that performance. The STi would smoke that ol' 911S that was in my dreams. Months to go...
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Old 04-09-2003, 08:37 AM   #13
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Why not Z or G35c?

Anyone even thinking of those alternatives doesn't want an EVO or STI.

I mean, why not a minivan?
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Old 04-09-2003, 08:40 AM   #14
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These cars are not in the same performance class as the STi.

Think E46 M3, 911 C4....
The world's best comparison test:

Subaru WRX (with non RE-92's)
Mitsu Lancer Evo
Subaru WRX STi
Porsche 911 C4s
Porsche 911 Turbo

They can call it "AWD supercars at any price point"

It would be great to see exactly how closely the Evo and STi get to the 911's peformance, without all of the luxury bits consuming build dollars. And, as a comparison, it would be nice to see how close a WRX with decent tires is, for 2/3 of the price of the STi even.

this article would open a lot of eyes.
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Old 04-09-2003, 08:57 AM   #15
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Why not a Z or G35c? I think in my situation it's a very valid question. Given that I have a price range to stick to I'm looking at all the cars in that range that appeal to me. Sure I'd love the raw power of the STi, but I realize that I should look around and in the end choose the car that appeals to me most. In the case of the STi vs. XYZ I'd be willing to give up some of the performance of the STi for more luxury of XYZ, but in the end it all boils down to what appeals most to me.

now, to answer your question. I have looked at both the Z and the G35c, and they are both off my list. Here is why -
Z - no back seat = no good place for a child seat. Which is something very important to me. Thus I didn't even bother to sit in the car.
G35c - does have a back seat so I looked at it more closely. Frankly, I don't fit. If it had maybe 2 more inches of headroom (and this car was without the sunroof) it might still be a contender.
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Old 04-09-2003, 10:14 AM   #16
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G35s and 350z's dont go on the dirt....
NUFF SAID!!
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Old 04-09-2003, 10:32 AM   #17
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Ok, I have a Performance Z and a WRX right now, and I'm selling my WRX because I'm getting the STi when it comes out. I must say, you really can't compare the Z with the STi, totally different animal.
The Z has a more mature feel to it, the STi still has a boy toy feel to it. The layout of the Z feels more like a sports car to me, also it's RWD, I love it. The STi no doubt will have more power, but you will miss that sports car feeling by just sitting in it. Which will perform better on a road course, only time will tell.
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Old 04-09-2003, 10:45 AM   #18
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If you could get a Z with turbo it would be a no brainer (how much HP do you think you might get out of a low compression twin turboed 3.5?) but for the foreseeable future there is no turbo available unless you are willing to spend boo-coo bucks on a custom turbo build. I've had a bunch of cars, including a custom turbo 240z (bout 400HP), a 98 M3, V8 jeeps, sportbikes, and CRXs. The WRX is one of my all time top 3 cars so the STI should be better (as long as the throttle-by-wire doesn't hose it down...)
GReddy already has a turbo kit for the Z, complete with a FMIC. I'm not sure how much it costs, but I thought I would post just to make it known.

For me, I like the looks of the G35c better than the Z and the STi, but I'd take the STi because it's a sedan and that was a driving factor behind me getting my WRX. In my mind I'm still a kid and I don't think I was ready for something more refined and I'm loving every minute with my WRX.

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Why so many of you guys prefer to go with STi rather than the Z or G35c?
Most things were already covered. I can add some of my reasons.
1 350Z does not have a space for two+1 family inside.
2 350Z and G35 suspensions are tuned for a huge understeer what spoils a lot of fun on a track.
Because of these I would rather look first at RX8 with it's way better balance and handling and room for 4 adults inside.
But STi is so much more complete.
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Old 04-09-2003, 02:09 PM   #20
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Ok, I have a Performance Z and a WRX right now, and I'm selling my WRX because I'm getting the STi when it comes out. I must say, you really can't compare the Z with the STi, totally different animal.
The Z has a more mature feel to it, the STi still has a boy toy feel to it. The layout of the Z feels more like a sports car to me, also it's RWD, I love it. The STi no doubt will have more power, but you will miss that sports car feeling by just sitting in it. Which will perform better on a road course, only time will tell.
I don't see the 350Z coming close to the STi around a track.

With the STi I think we will be looking at E46 M3s, and slightly modded C4 Corvettes as competition. I would like to see how the STi compares track time wise to a C5 Corvette Of course the Z06 would kill it, and a non-Z06 would probably beat it too, but it'd be interesting to see. The STi 5th and 6th gears seem much more usable (on paper at least) than the Corvette's 6 speed. The Corvette is like a four speed with two overdrives, hence the excellent fuel mileage they get.

Edit: The C4/C5 also have awesome torque, which allows one to get away with tall gearing.
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HFTuRbo--Well, I have that early 911S you lusted for--track/street car--- 2.7 liter RS look alike. You may be right, the STI will "smoke" the old 911. I'd be very surprised, however, if it is more fun to drive on the track. The old 911 has seen thousands of track miles over the years. It remains to be seen whether the STI could be driven as often, and as aggressively, as the 911 has over the years. The STI will be a wonderful car, but I sure wouldn't trade it for that classic early 911 you wanted....hehehe
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Old 04-09-2003, 03:19 PM   #22
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The whole "put a turbo on it" argumet for cars that don't stack up in stock form seems kinda pointless to me, especially with regards to getting a brand new car. I'd never in a million years consider putting a turbo on a N/A motor while it's still under warrenty, and I'm sure most people feel the same way.

I'd certainly give it some thought once I'd done with the warrenty but even then you've got to think about reliability and the like.

I wish I had money to burn on things like that but I don't.
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Old 04-09-2003, 03:57 PM   #23
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Well then, oil the chain drive! (Love the bat turns!)

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http://www.6mt.net ...and see what's being mentioned at the Infiniti forum. Appearance (beauty) is only skin deep.
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Old 04-09-2003, 04:41 PM   #24
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My biggest problem with the 350z was simple...

I couldn't see out of the back of the damn thing, the rear window is a tiny slit, and I'm 6'4, so even with the chair all the way back My head was butting up against the ceiling... all I could see was a one foot strip of pavement about 15 feet behind the car...

Add to that an engine that litterally made me grimace and feel guilty when I got it up above 5k revs (I've heard Mustangs with smoother sounding engines)... and the car didn't FEEL all that powerful (I'm not saying its not, it just didn't feel it)...

the G35c has a GEORGEOUS interior, no question, but visibility isn't much better, its the same engine and... nope, just not feeling it.

all IMHO of course, they're great, fast cars- they're just lacking in the "Subjective feel" area in my eyes.

I am absolutely Dying to read the "New 25-35k performance car shootout" that's you know is coming soon

STi
EVO
350Z
G35 Coupe
RX-8
S2000 (compare the latest batch to the old favs)

Whats amazing is... Any one of these car's will hand any old 60-70's supercar its ass- Technological progress is an amazing thing.

What a great time to be a Car-Lover

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I'd never in a million years consider putting a turbo on a N/A motor while it's still under warrenty, and I'm sure most people feel the same way.
Unless, of course, you have money to burn and a couple of other cars and whatnot. I'd say if you put in about 30k, you'd have quite the car that would be fairly reliable. But then you have the argument: why the hell would you spend 30k on a 30k car when you could just buy a 60k car?

Question: what the hell is all this "teh" and "eitehr" and "tehre" spelling crap? I personally think it makes the posts harder to read and make my eyes hurt. Why go through the effort?

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