How do you use the camber bolts?

jhong567 · 04-12-2003, 03:12 AM

Hey I installed lower Eibach and people suggest to buy and install camberbolts. Well I bought them but i dont knwo how to use them or where to install them. I think they go at teh bottom of the shock. Now there are two bolts there. Does teh camber bolt go at teh top or the bottom. I tried at teh bottom but the bolt is so long it is only about a 1/4 inch from the CV boot of the rear axle. also my bolts came with this washer that has a bent tab at the edge and another bent tab on the inner edge and it has small teeth that dot the outer edge. I dont know what this is for.

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secretaznboy · 04-12-2003, 04:57 AM

Hi
if im not mistaken, the bolts go on the top bolt mounting the strut to the hub. the bolt is eccentric, so by moving that tab, it changes the angle of camber.

the part that sticks out on the bolt at the end may seem like it doesn't want to go in, but it will after some negotiation.

doesn't matter which way the washer faces because the alingment place will adjust it according to specs.

i woudl go with -2 camber up front, zero toe all around, and try to zero out the camber in the rear. if your worried about tire wear to a extreme degree...then mabye run less negative camber up front. -1 to -1.5.

i have had nice results with this set up.
my rear actually plays a little too much...but its because i set the sway bar on full stiff.

if you want the rear to rotate more because you have loack of sway bar, then just get a little more toe in the rear.

have fun
alex

jhong567 · 04-12-2003, 02:02 PM

Ok I dont think you understand my problem. Here are some pics of the camber bolts I got. See the flange/washer? it has two tabs. the one that stick right out from the middle hole is confusing me.

either that side hits the top of the bolt or I turn it around and it hits the shock assembly. And if I put it ont he other side where the nt is I get teh same problem. Notice how when the bolt or nut closes onto that washer, that little tab will not allow the washer to sit flush? I have looked and looked to see if there were any notches for that tab to fit into whether it was on the bolt some where or on the shock assembly.

what is it for

ITWRX4ME · 04-12-2003, 07:12 PM

Here are the instructions from my camber bolts, which are manufactured by Specialty Products Company

:
1. Take alignment readings and determine amount of camber change needed.
2. Raise vehicle by body pinch welds. Remove tire and wheel assembly.
3 Remove the upper strut-spindle bolt. Line up the small tab with cam on bolt. Install bolt with large tab out toward wheel for positive camber or in away from wheel for negative camber. Add lock nut, snug, but do not tighten. Loosen the lower bolt.
4. Reinstall tire and wheel assembly and recompensate alignment equipment. Rotate EZ Cam XR bolt to obtain the desired camber reading. Torque bolts as follows(do not exceed):
#81240 @ 27 ft lbs(37 Nm)
#81250 @ 55 ft lbs(74 Nm)
#81260 & 81270 @ 77 ft lbs(105 Nm)
#81280 & @ 81290 125 ft lbs(170 Nm)

5. Complete alignment and road test vehicle.
6. Toll Free Tech Hotline 1-800-525-6505

Hope this helps.

Edit: Just called the Tech Line. Their hours are 7am to 5pm Mtn Time.

ITWRX4ME · 04-12-2003, 07:29 PM

One thing the instructions above do not give is which end of the bolt the washer is supposed to go on. Is it:

Bolt-->washer-->strut-->spindle-->strut-->nut

Or is it:

Bolt-->strut-->spindle-->strut-->washer-->nut

It has to be one of these two because there isn't any clearance between the strut flanges and the spindle.

It'd be really cool if someone had a pic of their camber bolt mounted.

ITWRX4ME · 04-13-2003, 08:35 PM

Well, I finally figured it out. Now let's see if I can explain it.

First, the order is as follows:

Bolt-->washer-->strut-->spindle-->strut-->nut

The washer has two tabs; a small one that protrudes from the hole in the middle and a large one that protrudes at an angle from the outer edge. I still don't really understand it's function but I do understand now how it fits.

You put the washer on the bolt with the small tab pointing away from the bolt head(toward the strut). Since the shank of the bolt, between the head and the cam, is smaller than the hole in the strut, there is room for the tab to go into the hole on the same side as the high side of the cam. Piece of cake.

The tabs are on opposite sides of the washer. Start with the tabs perpendicular to ground, the small pointing toward you and large tab pointing away. With the bolt seated, turn it about a quarter turn in each direction to see how the spindle changes angle. There is actually a triangle stamped into the bolt head that points to the highest part of the cam lobe. When turning the bolt you can find the point when the spindle is between positive and negative camber and etch a mark on the strut where the triangle points. A deviation from that mark will result in positive camber in one direction and negative in the other.

Hope this is of some use. I just finished my spring install and am happy as a clam. It's driveable enough for me to get it to an alignment shop tomorrow.

DDMan · 04-13-2003, 09:15 PM

I know in the front of you adjust the Camber, the toe is also off, but what about in the rear?
I got the exact same camber bolts u got but didnt install them for the same reason. I had NO IDEA how they were supposed to go. This helps alot, but I dont think im going to install them any time soon because I would need an alignment and dont have the money to pay for it. I also dont need it with my springs.

Great post tho!

ScreaminFast · 04-21-2003, 05:01 PM

I have my bolts sitting here in a box waiting for me to install them. I was gonna do it but I was worried about the install as well. I got them from Exeter Subaru. I'm curious though, because I want to get the car aligned and I'm afraid that the shop won't know what to do with these bolts, etc....Also, I have 2 sets of rims, stock with 225/50R16 kumho MX's and 18" konigs with 235/40ZR18's on them.....they fit perfect now, but i'm worried about aligning the car with either set of wheels on them, and having the other not fit....

Any suggestions? We need to get brian to help us out here...Where are you Brian (North Ursalia)??

sf

04-12-2003, 03:12 AM	#1
jhong567 Scooby Newbie Member#: 29500 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Los Angeles Vehicle: 2003 WRX Sedan Midnight Black Pearl	How do you use the camber bolts? Hey I installed lower Eibach and people suggest to buy and install camberbolts. Well I bought them but i dont knwo how to use them or where to install them. I think they go at teh bottom of the shock. Now there are two bolts there. Does teh camber bolt go at teh top or the bottom. I tried at teh bottom but the bolt is so long it is only about a 1/4 inch from the CV boot of the rear axle. also my bolts came with this washer that has a bent tab at the edge and another bent tab on the inner edge and it has small teeth that dot the outer edge. I dont know what this is for. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

04-12-2003, 07:12 PM	#4
ITWRX4ME Scooby Specialist Member#: 24472 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Marshall, Virginia Vehicle: 2001 Miata White	Here are the instructions from my camber bolts, which are manufactured by Specialty Products Company : 1. Take alignment readings and determine amount of camber change needed. 2. Raise vehicle by body pinch welds. Remove tire and wheel assembly. 3 Remove the upper strut-spindle bolt. Line up the small tab with cam on bolt. Install bolt with large tab out toward wheel for positive camber or in away from wheel for negative camber. Add lock nut, snug, but do not tighten. Loosen the lower bolt. 4. Reinstall tire and wheel assembly and recompensate alignment equipment. Rotate EZ Cam XR bolt to obtain the desired camber reading. Torque bolts as follows(do not exceed): #81240 @ 27 ft lbs(37 Nm) #81250 @ 55 ft lbs(74 Nm) #81260 & 81270 @ 77 ft lbs(105 Nm) #81280 & @ 81290 125 ft lbs(170 Nm) 5. Complete alignment and road test vehicle. 6. Toll Free Tech Hotline 1-800-525-6505 Hope this helps. Edit: Just called the Tech Line. Their hours are 7am to 5pm Mtn Time. Last edited by ITWRX4ME; 04-12-2003 at 07:22 PM.

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04-12-2003, 04:57 AM	#2
secretaznboy Scooby Newbie Member#: 16666 Join Date: Mar 2002 Vehicle: 2002 WRX! MidNiGhT bLaCk	Hi if im not mistaken, the bolts go on the top bolt mounting the strut to the hub. the bolt is eccentric, so by moving that tab, it changes the angle of camber. the part that sticks out on the bolt at the end may seem like it doesn't want to go in, but it will after some negotiation. doesn't matter which way the washer faces because the alingment place will adjust it according to specs. i woudl go with -2 camber up front, zero toe all around, and try to zero out the camber in the rear. if your worried about tire wear to a extreme degree...then mabye run less negative camber up front. -1 to -1.5. i have had nice results with this set up. my rear actually plays a little too much...but its because i set the sway bar on full stiff. if you want the rear to rotate more because you have loack of sway bar, then just get a little more toe in the rear. have fun alex

04-12-2003, 02:02 PM	#3
jhong567 Scooby Newbie Member#: 29500 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Los Angeles Vehicle: 2003 WRX Sedan Midnight Black Pearl	Ok I dont think you understand my problem. Here are some pics of the camber bolts I got. See the flange/washer? it has two tabs. the one that stick right out from the middle hole is confusing me. either that side hits the top of the bolt or I turn it around and it hits the shock assembly. And if I put it ont he other side where the nt is I get teh same problem. Notice how when the bolt or nut closes onto that washer, that little tab will not allow the washer to sit flush? I have looked and looked to see if there were any notches for that tab to fit into whether it was on the bolt some where or on the shock assembly. what is it for

04-12-2003, 07:29 PM	#5
ITWRX4ME Scooby Specialist Member#: 24472 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Marshall, Virginia Vehicle: 2001 Miata White	One thing the instructions above do not give is which end of the bolt the washer is supposed to go on. Is it: Bolt-->washer-->strut-->spindle-->strut-->nut Or is it: Bolt-->strut-->spindle-->strut-->washer-->nut It has to be one of these two because there isn't any clearance between the strut flanges and the spindle. It'd be really cool if someone had a pic of their camber bolt mounted.

04-13-2003, 08:35 PM	#6
ITWRX4ME Scooby Specialist Member#: 24472 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Marshall, Virginia Vehicle: 2001 Miata White	Well, I finally figured it out. Now let's see if I can explain it. First, the order is as follows: Bolt-->washer-->strut-->spindle-->strut-->nut The washer has two tabs; a small one that protrudes from the hole in the middle and a large one that protrudes at an angle from the outer edge. I still don't really understand it's function but I do understand now how it fits. You put the washer on the bolt with the small tab pointing away from the bolt head(toward the strut). Since the shank of the bolt, between the head and the cam, is smaller than the hole in the strut, there is room for the tab to go into the hole on the same side as the high side of the cam. Piece of cake. The tabs are on opposite sides of the washer. Start with the tabs perpendicular to ground, the small pointing toward you and large tab pointing away. With the bolt seated, turn it about a quarter turn in each direction to see how the spindle changes angle. There is actually a triangle stamped into the bolt head that points to the highest part of the cam lobe. When turning the bolt you can find the point when the spindle is between positive and negative camber and etch a mark on the strut where the triangle points. A deviation from that mark will result in positive camber in one direction and negative in the other. Hope this is of some use. I just finished my spring install and am happy as a clam. It's driveable enough for me to get it to an alignment shop tomorrow.

04-13-2003, 09:15 PM	#7
DDMan Scooby Specialist Member#: 11221 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Rocklin, California Vehicle: 2002 2.5 RS Black as Midnight!!!	I know in the front of you adjust the Camber, the toe is also off, but what about in the rear? I got the exact same camber bolts u got but didnt install them for the same reason. I had NO IDEA how they were supposed to go. This helps alot, but I dont think im going to install them any time soon because I would need an alignment and dont have the money to pay for it. I also dont need it with my springs. Great post tho!

04-21-2003, 05:01 PM	#8
ScreaminFast Scooby Specialist Member#: 24399 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Webster, NY Vehicle: 2003 White WRX 89 240 / 90 240	I have my bolts sitting here in a box waiting for me to install them. I was gonna do it but I was worried about the install as well. I got them from Exeter Subaru. I'm curious though, because I want to get the car aligned and I'm afraid that the shop won't know what to do with these bolts, etc....Also, I have 2 sets of rims, stock with 225/50R16 kumho MX's and 18" konigs with 235/40ZR18's on them.....they fit perfect now, but i'm worried about aligning the car with either set of wheels on them, and having the other not fit.... Any suggestions? We need to get brian to help us out here...Where are you Brian (North Ursalia)?? sf