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Old 04-21-2003, 02:48 AM   #51
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Just got done attempting to install the steering rack bushings. Just like Kostamojen, the passenger side bushing in the 200 kit is too narrow. Guess I will swap them out for some 202s.
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:16 PM   #52
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I installed the diff bushings yesterday, and I also got the KSR200 bushings; and I installed the passenger side bushing yesterday. It wasn't too narrow for my '95 L AWD, but it took a LOT of prying the rack down creatively, along with plenty of dirty language to get it to fit, as they are much harder than the stock bushings, and the cut is on a corner where the polyurethane is rather thick, so it took me probably close to an hour to get that one done. Once I got it in, I noticed a little bit extra was sticking out where the bracket bolts to the frame, but the ends were touching, so I'm not worried about it. I tried to get started on the driver's side, but was unable to get the old one out before I ran out of time; I think I'm going to have to do it the long way, as it wouldn't bugde!
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:31 PM   #53
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No, you're still crazy... you've just brainwashed a few people to try and feign sanity . Sanity is overrated anyway... I prefer being batty myself .


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Old 04-22-2003, 10:05 PM   #54
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Hi everyone,

Sorry for delay but still catching up after Easter break.

RoKketRide, great feedback on the NVH issue. Frankly that's what we would expect, a noticeable but not significant increase in NVH. As for the washer tangs, there are perfectly OK to leave alone as they are. The polyurethane can take it and the overall thing is designed to work around it, apart from that they do perform a function.

As for the KSR200 v KSR202 question, I'll have our R & D guys come up with a conclusive answer as soon as we can.

Thanks again for all the feedback.

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PS. Will have some part numbers soon for the poly lower control arm rear bushes in place of ALK.
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Old 04-22-2003, 10:37 PM   #55
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WL,

I bought the rack bushings from ISR. They said they were going to contact you about it.
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Old 04-23-2003, 01:08 AM   #56
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Would it be possible to use the lower control arm bushings along with the ALK? I don't know that much about the ALK, but I've been told they're great! I'm in SM, so it probably wouldn't matter if I had both, so long as they wouldn't conflict with each other. Also, pardon my ignorance, but what does NVH stand for? I have a few ideas, but I'm not positive.
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The LCA bushing is replaced by the ALK. NVH stands for "noise, vibration, and harshness" . Alot of the acronyms I put into a thread, which is linked out of the "FAQ/Threads of Note" in the Newbie/FAQ forum if you get lost on any others you come across .


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Old 04-23-2003, 04:15 PM   #58
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Old 04-23-2003, 04:17 PM   #59
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Brian-
Great writeup, your pictures helped me see just was was involved with those bushings, and when I eventually get my hands on a RevLab R2 rack. Thanks for the writeup, and it's good to see WhiteLine getting involved, gives me even more confidence in their products.

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Old 04-24-2003, 03:09 AM   #60
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G'day everyone,

I_H8_1.8, Brian is correct. The ALK incorporates a replacement low compliance caster adjusting LCA bush already. That's one of the side benefits to the kit apart from the changes to anti-lift properties.

There are a number of options in the ALK range depending on bush compliance and ride/NVH expectations. That is, you can order with a relatively soft bush, normal and extra hard motorsport. There is no objective right or wrong to this but some people find the motorsport version perfectly acceptable while the comfort version was created for those that found the normal type too harsh.

As for a replacment LCA product to suit SCCA etc, we have just created part numbers and data for following:

Part # KCA375
Lower control arm-low compliance caster adj. bush +0.5 deg static. A$117.27 kit

Part # KCA375M
Lower control arm-ultra low compliance caster adj. bush +0.5 deg static - Motorsport version in BLACK. A$126.36 kit

These should be avialable in 3-4 weeks.

Regarding the steering rack mounts, we have done some research into the available data and unfortunately we can not come to defintive conclusion as to what steering rack is used on which models. It seems that there are atleast 2 different steering racks used within the same model series. This corresponds to a unique front crossmember for each as it houses the other half of the rack mount bush.

In future, we will add some more information to our product catalogue suggesting that the customer first measure the width of the round shouldered mounting saddle before ordering.

The SQUARE SHAPED BUSH is common in both KSR200 and KSR202.

The ROUND BUSH (with a flat base) is different, and has the following approximate dimensions;

KSR200;
Inside Diameter ~ 49mm (difficult to measure accurately)
Width - Between the flanges = 25mm

KSR202;
Inside Diameter ~ 46mm (difficult to measure accurately)
Width - Between the flanges = 30mm

Hope that clears up all outstanding issues.

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Old 04-24-2003, 04:29 AM   #61
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G'day everyone,

I_H8_1.8, Brian is correct. The ALK incorporates a replacement low compliance caster adjusting LCA bush already. That's one of the side benefits to the kit apart from the changes to anti-lift properties.

There are a number of options in the ALK range depending on bush compliance and ride/NVH expectations. That is, you can order with a relatively soft bush, normal and extra hard motorsport. There is no objective right or wrong to this but some people find the motorsport version perfectly acceptable while the comfort version was created for those that found the normal type too harsh.

As for a replacment LCA product to suit SCCA etc, we have just created part numbers and data for following:

Part # KCA375
Lower control arm-low compliance caster adj. bush +0.5 deg static. A$117.27 kit

Part # KCA375M
Lower control arm-ultra low compliance caster adj. bush - Motorsport version in BLACK. A$126.36 kit

These should be avialable in 3-4 weeks.

Regarding the steering rack mounts, we have done some research into the available data and unfortunately we can not come to defintive conclusion as to what steering rack is used on which models. It seems that there are atleast 2 different steering racks used within the same model series. This corresponds to a unique front crossmember for each as it houses the other half of the rack mount bush.

In future, we will add some more information to our product catalogue suggesting that the customer first measure the width of the round shouldered mounting saddle before ordering.

The SQUARE SHAPED BUSH is common in both KSR200 and KSR202.

The ROUND BUSH (with a flat base) is different, and has the following approximate dimensions;

KSR200;
Inside Diameter ~ 49mm (difficult to measure accurately)
Width - Between the flanges = 25mm

KSR202;
Inside Diameter ~ 46mm (difficult to measure accurately)
Width - Between the flanges = 30mm

Hope that clears up all outstanding issues.

Cheers
Jim

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So basically what that means is that if your passanger side power steering bracket is 3cm wide, then you need the KSR202, and if its only 2.5cm wide then you need the KSR200's... Mine was 3cm wide, along with the "crossmember" body part like jim stated was sized for the KSR202.

I_H8_1.8 the ALK is illegal for ST-X as well And I am curious if you installed that KSR200 bushing like you said on the passanger side and if the bracket was the 3cm wide one or the 2.5cm wide one and if you tried to "force" the bushing down. I almost tryed forcing it down to fit, but I knew the KSR202's were wider and realized that they were wrong, so I'm just curious...

BTW Jim, whats the difference between those two kits exactly? I noticed the one has the +.5 caster.
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Old 04-24-2003, 12:15 PM   #62
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I_H8_1.8 the ALK is illegal for ST-X as well And I am curious if you installed that KSR200 bushing like you said on the passanger side and if the bracket was the 3cm wide one or the 2.5cm wide one and if you tried to "force" the bushing down. I almost tryed forcing it down to fit, but I knew the KSR202's were wider and realized that they were wrong, so I'm just curious...
I'm in SM because of my turbo, so my options are pretty open. With the KSR200 bushings, width was not an issue on my car; the bushing is just cut in an odd spot, and very stiff, so it took some work to get it around the rack. Once I got it around the top part of the rack, everything was fine!
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Old 04-25-2003, 03:50 AM   #63
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I'm in SM because of my turbo, so my options are pretty open. With the KSR200 bushings, width was not an issue on my car; the bushing is just cut in an odd spot, and very stiff, so it took some work to get it around the rack. Once I got it around the top part of the rack, everything was fine!
The passanger side one was the one you had diffuculty getting it "around" the rack? That doesnt sound right...

And the ALK is illegal for SM as well.
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Old 04-25-2003, 11:32 AM   #64
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The passanger side one was the one you had diffuculty getting it "around" the rack? That doesnt sound right...

And the ALK is illegal for SM as well.
I had trouble with the passenger side because the bushing is cut at the thickest point, and the urethane is a lot harder than rubber, plus the rack didn't want to come down very far.

What class is the ALK legal in?
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Hi Jim.

So the difference between the following is the material used and color?

Part # KCA375
Lower control arm-low compliance caster adj. bush +0.5 deg static. A$117.27 kit

Part # KCA375M
Lower control arm-ultra low compliance caster adj. bush - Motorsport version in BLACK. A$126.36 kit


Thanks for listening to our needs!

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Hi everyone,

Kostamojen, your summary of steering rack mounts is correct.

For narrow bracket (25mm between flanges) use KSR200.

For wide bracket (30mm between flanges) use KSR202.

As for the LCA bush kits, both part numbers increase static caster by 0.5 degrees. I was just too lazy to repeat the "+0.5 degree" test for the motorpsort version. (Since amended).

Leonardo's summary is correct. The difference is that KCA375M is black and uses a much harder material than KCA375 which is yellow.

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Old 04-29-2003, 04:41 AM   #67
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I had trouble with the passenger side because the bushing is cut at the thickest point, and the urethane is a lot harder than rubber, plus the rack didn't want to come down very far.

What class is the ALK legal in?
ALK is legal in Modified I believe, all the way past Street Touring and Street Modified, check the posts in the Motorsports forum about Impreza Auto-x classes.

And that bushing thing is wierd still to me... The passanger side bushing was easy to flex, and I barely had to move the rack to get it on the car, so Im wondering whats going on with your install...
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And that bushing thing is wierd still to me... The passanger side bushing was easy to flex, and I barely had to move the rack to get it on the car, so Im wondering whats going on with your install...
I'm guessing that maybe we have different racks?
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That all makes perfect sense, because not only was the bushing too narrow, it seemed too big around also.

I gotta get me that new bushing
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I'm guessing that maybe we have different racks?
Which would be odd considering we both have 95 1.8l L's Oh well... If it works, it works, eh?
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Old 04-30-2003, 04:04 AM   #71
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Well, just checked my 2000 Impreza RS Sedan and the KSR200 that I bought last week won't fit it. Chalk up another one to the KSR202.


...maybe it's a difference between coupes and sedans?
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Well, just checked my 2000 Impreza RS Sedan and the KSR200 that I bought last week won't fit it. Chalk up another one to the KSR202.


...maybe it's a difference between coupes and sedans?

Cant be, I have an 01 RS Coupe and we both have the same problem.
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Old 05-05-2003, 08:28 PM   #73
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Just got my replacement set of bushings.

Does it matter where the split in the bushing is? The driver's side bushing is split on one corner even though there is an indication for "cut" in the middle of one of the flats. Is this kosher?
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Old 05-06-2003, 12:59 AM   #74
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Excellent write-up as always Brian. I think these are gonna be on my list now.

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Great writeup. Unless I'm mistaken I spoke with you twice today on the phone about my bushings that I ordered today

You should have mentioned your ravensblade site, if that was you that is
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