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Old 04-14-2003, 07:55 PM   #1
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Default Is anyone not going to drive thier STi?

What I mean is, this is kind of a historic moment for Subaru and Sport Compacts. Its really the first time that America gets a version of a car that is nicer than what everone else gets.
Im sure this will be a collectors item.
So is anybody going to park this in the barn and cover it?

p.s. This car is made to be driven, so if you are a collector please buy another one just to drive.
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Old 04-14-2003, 08:19 PM   #2
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I doubt anybody will garage it. My guess is that Subaru will say they are limited, but once they all sell like hot cakes well see a whole bunch more make there way here.
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Old 04-15-2003, 01:12 AM   #3
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I hope they DON'T start making a whole bunch of the STi's! It'll just bring down the value of the ones that will be out there. Take Honda Civics for example... not a bad car by all means, but the value on those cars have gone straight through the floor since Fast and the Furious came out.
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Old 04-15-2003, 01:14 AM   #4
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There is a very real difference between meeting the demand for a vehicle such as the STi and selling a most-popular-car-in-class car like the Civic.

If someone wants a WRX, they can get one, yet you don't see WRXs at every corner.
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Old 04-15-2003, 08:32 AM   #5
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I hope they DON'T start making a whole bunch of the STi's! It'll just bring down the value of the ones that will be out there. Take Honda Civics for example... not a bad car by all means, but the value on those cars have gone straight through the floor since Fast and the Furious came out.
I don't understand your point here. Honda builds a ton of civics, and they hold their value extremely well. I don't think the movie had a negative impact on civic sales, used or new.

It did raise the value of used Supras, but that's a different story, and that's a car that is out of production and was produced in much smaller numbers.

Making a ton of STi's might make them a little more common to spot, but it's only good for Subaru enthusiasts. First, they're not going to drop their value tremendously even if they sell as many as there are buyers out there. Sure, if you pay over MSRP you're guaranteed to lose out, but MSRP and below buyers should be ok. The WRX really limits the amont the STi price can fall.

The more they sell, the more parts are available, for STi owners and for WRX owners looking to upgrade. And, the more other car companies take this market seriously. And the more they make their common cars handle and perform better.
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Old 04-15-2003, 09:45 AM   #6
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If someone wants a WRX, they can get one, yet you don't see WRXs at every corner.
Yes I do. Two at my job, one next doort to my job on the left, 2 next door on the right, one at another facility about a mile away. A couple pass by the my job on the way to theirs. Yep, pretty much at every corner. I see more WRX's than I see Cobras made after '99.

In either case, I've lately been looking at how badly cars depreciate. I thought a 2yr old $24k WRX only sold for $17k (realistically) with 36000 miles was bad before I found out how how good that is compared to so many other cars. A V6 Eclipse with 40,000 miles goes for peanuts . These cars are practically have the same MSRP new, but the Kelly Blue Book at 40k for a 2002 in excellent condition, has the 5spd WRX at $20k and the Eclipse GT auto at $15k. I hope for the sake of Evo buyers that decide to trade that the value of the Evo doesn't take a dive like that.
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Old 04-15-2003, 10:13 AM   #7
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My 2 cents, the STi will be hell of a good car but will not be a collector car. Collector car are more and more seldom, 5000 units will not get this car a collector one EITHER if it's a history date in Subaru existence. Look at the 35th anniversary Cobra (99), there were 5000 of them... None of them are considered as a collector car, nor the Dodge Viper with their 10th anniversary 2000 units limited production.

As said, just my 2 cents,

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Old 04-15-2003, 10:31 AM   #8
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the less STi's the better...will make mine that much more special

*greed* lol!
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Old 04-15-2003, 01:04 PM   #9
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Don't bother collecting these things. These cars are based on performance and technology. They are almost like PC's. This is the case in Europe. The only two models worth collecting are the limited edition STi 22B and the Evo Tommi Mak (Red). Otherwise they depreciate just like any other sports car.
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Old 04-16-2003, 04:20 AM   #10
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Don't bother collecting these things. These cars are based on performance and technology. They are almost like PC's. This is the case in Europe. The only two models worth collecting are the limited edition STi 22B and the Evo Tommi Mak (Red). Otherwise they depreciate just like any other sports car.
I'd say a green or red 98RS would be a collectable edition Impreza as well Just about as rare as those other two you mention
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Old 04-16-2003, 02:32 PM   #11
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I hope they DON'T start making a whole bunch of the STi's! It'll just bring down the value of the ones that will be out there. Take Honda Civics for example... not a bad car by all means, but the value on those cars have gone straight through the floor since Fast and the Furious came out.
*blinks* LOL. Honda Civics lost their value cause of the fast and the furious? Hondas are one of the highest resale vehicles out there right now man. Wow why would you say something like that? haha.
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Old 04-16-2003, 04:08 PM   #12
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Dont the STi's come with fancy number plates?
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Old 04-16-2003, 05:04 PM   #13
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Dont the STi's come with fancy number plates?
Subaru claimed it will be a limited production car, and Adock did say 6000 units, I wouldent be surprised if they rivit on number plates.
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Old 04-16-2003, 06:33 PM   #14
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I wonder if they skip "666"? That would be collectable
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Old 04-16-2003, 06:49 PM   #15
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What about the Mitsu Galant VR4? Only ~2000 a year for two years. AWD, AWS, Turbo 2.0...

Now you can find them for about $3000-$7000 And they did have the little numberd plaques!
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Old 04-16-2003, 08:53 PM   #16
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Subaru claimed it will be a limited production car, and Adock did say 6000 units, I wouldent be surprised if they rivit on number plates.
can you provide a link for them claiming it would be a limited production car? I've followed all of their press releases, and haven't seen anything about artificially limiting the number of cars built, let alone making it a "limited edition" like the 22B, which was 400 cars, if I remember correctly.

If you can provide a link, please do. Otherwise, we have no reason to think that they are limited by anything other than the number of 6-speed trannys they can build Seriously...they were talking about 5-6000 cars. That's a significant fraction of their total cars delivered to the US, regardless of the fact that they only sell 15-20k wrx's a year total. the STi will take some of these WRX sales, but it will also compete with the Evo, 350Z, RX-8, and G35 coupe. The 30k price point is hot. Evo's and 350Z's and G35 coupes are sitting on lots. The economy is down.

this car will not come with a plate that says "5999 of 6000" per year.
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Old 04-16-2003, 09:03 PM   #17
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can you provide a link for them claiming it would be a limited production car? I've followed all of their press releases, and haven't seen anything about artificially limiting the number of cars built, let alone making it a "limited edition" like the 22B, which was 400 cars, if I remember correctly.
In Drive Magazine which is published by SOA, (if you own a new Subaru, you will usually get the magazine every few months) on the last page they talk about the new turbocharged vehicles that will be coming out for 2004, theres a few paragraphs in there that talk about the STi, it clearly states its Limited Production.
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Old 04-17-2003, 02:45 AM   #18
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Yeah, I really doubt that the STI will be a collector car. I have a 2002 GTI 337 and production was only 1750 in NA and I don't consider it a collector car. I drive it daily and rag the hell out of it! I honestly think that the STI is going to be a great car and it will still depreciate just like any other cars. Peace
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Old 04-17-2003, 08:14 AM   #19
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In Drive Magazine which is published by SOA, (if you own a new Subaru, you will usually get the magazine every few months) on the last page they talk about the new turbocharged vehicles that will be coming out for 2004, theres a few paragraphs in there that talk about the STi, it clearly states its Limited Production.
do they specify what that limit is? They said the same thing about the WRX when it was first introduced, if you recall.
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I'd like you to show us where they said the WRX was "limited production". They released production estimates, which were later raised as sales exceeded expectations. These estimates are in no way "concrete".
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I'd like you to show us where they said the WRX was "limited production". They released production estimates, which were later raised as sales exceeded expectations. These estimates are in no way "concrete".
Do you have a crystal ball to show me that the STi will exceed production estimates?....

But im not doubting that they could sell 6000 units in 3 months, increase production, and end up selling 12,000 units by the end of the year....

Yes, it happened with the WRX, im just saying, dont jump the gun on conclusions that it will sell more than what Adock said just because of what happened with the WRX.
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No need for the . I was only speaking of the WRX, not predicting the future.
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Old 04-17-2003, 08:58 AM   #23
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But im not doubting that they could sell 6000 units in 3 months, increase production, and end up selling 12,000 units by the end of the year....

Yes, it happened with the WRX, im just saying, dont jump the gun on conclusions that it will sell more than what Adock said just because of what happened with the WRX.
I don't know about this...this car is ~10k more than the WRX. That cuts out a lot of enthusiast buyers that could afford the WRX, which only sold ~15-20k per year.
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I'd like you to show us where they said the WRX was "limited production". They released production estimates, which were later raised as sales exceeded expectations. These estimates are in no way "concrete".
This is exactly my point. They are doing the same thing that they did with the WRX. Road and Track's first review, as well as many others, warned buyers to pick one up early, since they only planned to sell "X" units. They never said it would be a limited run, with a specified end. Just like they haven't said that about the STi.

there's a difference between limiting production based on projected sales, and keeping demand above supply, or even limited by the number of 6-speeds they can build, and limiting production to X units, regardless of how fast they sell out.
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True, and there were several upset I-Clubber's when they said they were raising production estimates.
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