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Old 04-19-2003, 06:36 PM   #1
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Old 04-19-2003, 06:46 PM   #2
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Interesting read. You should have given Richmond a call. In fact, visit them in person. You will find the ignorance of their sales people quite surprising, and amusing. A Richmond salesman was actually convinced that all Subarus are available only with the 4-cylinder engine. I guess the H-6 Outback isn't a Subaru then...

Just curious, are you really planning to buy six?
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Old 04-19-2003, 08:46 PM   #3
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wow...that's relatively expensive compared to US price...

i mean you are right, no hids and still more expensive?? it doesn't make sense...

but nonetheless, everyone was expecting it to be 46-48k anyway...so it doesn't surprise me..
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Old 04-19-2003, 09:37 PM   #4
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She may be quoting you a marked up price. Richmond Subaru/Suzuki is total pile of cow waste. They're selling stuff that they don't even know what it is.
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Old 04-19-2003, 10:18 PM   #5
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This kind of crap in fecking unbelievable. I'm in North Van and the first time I walk into the dealership will be for a test drive and then a sale. We're all the types who know more about the cars than the bloody sales staff, so I don't need the BLAH BLAH BLAH walk around and the "do you like the new look?" questions. So I think to myself "I'll just drop them a detailed e-mail with questions I need answered." E-mail was sent almost two weeks ago to the sales manager at Specialty and...and...
no reply.
As Al Bundy would say "SteeeeeeeeRike!
For me, one strike and you're out. It may have been a foul tip though. Maybe the guy is on vacation or helping rebuild Iraq or something. Hell, I'm only two minutes from Specialty.

Today I hit Docksteaders' web site and filled out the general inquiry section and sent that baby off. With it being the long weekend I'll say it was a slow-ball. I've got a few months until I know my financial situation but I'd still like my questions answered.

I wonder who will get to me first?

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Old 04-19-2003, 10:26 PM   #6
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and WTH! with the CAN-spec STI having no HIDs. For 50K, xenon should be bloody standard. I guess they take them of the CAN-spec model to keep the price of the car down. Actually, strike that. The price of the car sounds like most Subi dealers are looking to make some serious profit on this limited availabilty STI.
I wonder what else we don't get?
Are we allowed to choose a colour?

If I go for one (slight possibility) I want a $2000 credit for rear wing deletion and removal of the pink(ugh!) STI badging.
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Old 04-24-2003, 06:32 PM   #7
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Nice details man. Hopefully when the dealers actually have some "real" information it won't be disappointing, cuz right now all their doing is discouraging people who like the car enough to share their stories on the net about it

$45K shout it with me
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Old 04-24-2003, 08:32 PM   #8
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my experience was quite similar...

my first test drive was at Richmond in a WRX and it was obvious the salesman did not have a clue about the car... I definitely wasn't going to give them my business...

(on a side note...he told me half way into the test drive that I was lucky that I was white cuz too many asian kids have been coming to the dealership and tearing around on test drives with no real intention to buy - so getting a test drive may be difficult for some of you out there)

I did a second test drive at Don Docksteader and I will admit that they bent over backwards for me to get a 2.5RS for me to test drive even though they were really busy that Saturday afternoon. I was very appreciative of that... however, when it came to the price, the same lady quoted me a very high price (first she quoted me on the WRX, then the STI and then finally the 2.5RS - seemed to me she didn't even know what the 2.5RS was)... that turned me off a bit.

I never did deal with Specialty Subaru...

I ended up going through ProGroup Auto (a service to professional organizations - I'm a CA) where I got the best price considering there was no hassle, got a great deal on my trade-in with no hassle and paid no freight, PDI or admin costs with no hassle.

Summary:

No dealership has got their act together completely...

AND

the salesmen/women should know more about the cars on their lot...

- buying should be as easy as it was for me though ProGroup

- I don't like silly comments made like "this is the same car that they race with around the world"... yeah right! does this car have the same $70kUSD transmission that the WRC car has?? I think not! (the price of the transmission was quoted from watching WRC on TV a little while ago)
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Old 04-25-2003, 12:46 PM   #9
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I called around to Wolfe and Docksteader the other day.

I told them I was reading up about the STi on the internet and played it a little dumb. I asked when they were getting them and how much they were.

Wolfe told me 48~51K and Docksteader told me 46~48K.

My best guess is that MSRP should be just a hair under 46K based on the US pricing.

There is no way a dealer needs to make over $1000 above their invoice... they already make money off it in so many other ways.

If they come in around 45K then I will buy one .... if they are 48 to 50K they can keep it.

I bought a Legacy from Docksteader 2 years ago... they were great and I got it for $700 over invoice. I am giving them the first shot since they were so good... I have been very happy with all my dealings with them but if they are going to try to get $4K they don't deserve out of me I will be walking.

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Old 04-25-2003, 01:55 PM   #10
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I just got a call from Wolfe.

The guy said they have 2 STi's in Richmond for the dealers to go take a look at.

He also said Canada is only getting 100 cars in the initial shipment and then 35~50 cars/month after that.

I asked what the price was and he said $48~50K. I told him about the US MSRP and that should make the car $46K at best.

Then I asked why there was a difference... he said they don't have the real numbers yet and he was only guessing.

I told him I wasn't interested unless it was around $45K.

He said he would call back when he knew the real price.
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Old 04-25-2003, 03:05 PM   #11
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I think 48,995 is pretty much the believed MSRP for Canada according to the GM at Specialty.
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Old 04-25-2003, 03:15 PM   #12
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You guys should get a better grip on your price before you start getting pissed off at the dealers. First of all the salespeople are NOT in charge of the listed price. It is set by SOC. Second, the exchange rate is much closer to 48-50K Canadian than it is to 46K. They don't just take the current exchange rate of the day and make that the price as it fluctuates so much. Gernerally speaking multiply the USD price by 1.58 and you will get the CAD price. Which makes the Sti (31K USD), (49KCAD). These are of course approximate but are a much better guess than your lame 45-46K.
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Old 04-25-2003, 03:49 PM   #13
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Well that will be too bad then. The car isn't worth $50K.
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Old 04-25-2003, 03:58 PM   #14
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You guys should get a better grip on your price before you start getting pissed off at the dealers. First of all the salespeople are NOT in charge of the listed price. It is set by SOC. Second, the exchange rate is much closer to 48-50K Canadian than it is to 46K. They don't just take the current exchange rate of the day and make that the price as it fluctuates so much. Gernerally speaking multiply the USD price by 1.58 and you will get the CAD price. Which makes the Sti (31K USD), (49KCAD). These are of course approximate but are a much better guess than your lame 45-46K.
Ahh, the wise one have spoken.

JdanS, I'm glad you've seen the light on whether the car is worth $50 large or not, but do remember that for someone putting down $50k, a mere 10% fluctuation in pricing is pocket change for them. They're quite used to paying $5k for a option package from BMW and MB, so a $45k-$50k difference really isn't as significant as it does to the rest of us.
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Old 04-25-2003, 04:09 PM   #15
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I think it is very worth it. I've driven the old Sti in Japan and that was going for about 45K and it would have been wirth it. It is not a geerman car but for the same performance out of a german car you will be paying heaps more. Granted you will get more luxury options and what not but for 50K I'd like you to find ANY car (NEW) of course that can out perform the WRX Sti and is presently available in Canada.
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Old 04-25-2003, 04:31 PM   #16
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I think it is very worth it. I've driven the old Sti in Japan and that was going for about 45K and it would have been wirth it. It is not a geerman car but for the same performance out of a german car you will be paying heaps more. Granted you will get more luxury options and what not but for 50K I'd like you to find ANY car (NEW) of course that can out perform the WRX Sti and is presently available in Canada.
I was wrong.

I did some more checking and you are right about the conversion factor (well at least more right that I was ).

I will have to see the car before I am satisfied about what it is worth though. It is not that it (may) costs $50K but that the cost is inflated by the dealer. I can afford the $50K but that is not the point... I don't like being taken advantage of.

While I was writing this I got another call from Wolfe.

The official SOC MSRP for the STi is 46,995. Then there is freight, PDI, ENV, Tax (@17% due to luxury) which brings the out the door price without negotiating to:

$56,821.00

Wolfe's freight + PDI is $1250 BTW.

So.... who's gonna get one?

EDIT: oh yeah... don't forget ICBC!!!!

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Old 04-25-2003, 08:54 PM   #17
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my calculation approx $5,500 profit for the dealers

I can guarantee you that dealers won't be making that much.....this isn't furnature or a piece of clothing your buying with a whole bunch of mark up. Also these aren't domestic car's that are built here and dont have to get imported. You can say all you want about the markup but it won't be anything close to what your saying.
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Old 04-25-2003, 09:22 PM   #18
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username if you are not going to read what I have said then don't expect to properly understand it. As said, MSRP is by SOC not by the salespeople....point covered.
Exchange rate...MSRP is NOT set by the current exchange rate. There is a formula that is involved which takes an average rate over time (includes forecast as well). They also factor in the fact that this is a limited production vehicle. Some people (enough for SOC) are willing to pay the 48K MSRP and would prefer it to be a touch more expensive so that it is not affordable to just everyone.

Anyways, if you have principles and don't want to get ripped off then don't buy one! You don't deserve one. Leave them for the true enthusiasts who are willing to pay for a very good deal.
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Old 04-25-2003, 09:56 PM   #19
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. If it's a penny over $45,000 Subaru can take a long hard suck on my a$$. I'll just wait for the EVO. Just my opinion, I'm sure there's lots of people out there with buckets of money willing to buy one.
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Old 04-26-2003, 12:47 AM   #20
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I'm not buying one, and I am not an elitist. But you are right. There are people like that out there. Why do you think someone would by an Enzo. Just to be that one dude out there who has one. Chances are it will rarely be driven and it certainly won't be driven to it potential. Same thing with the Sti. Many of the people who want them do so simply to have the fastest Subaru. There are also people out there like Boosted Wagon who can afford to pay it, doesn't care if it is 46-48 or 50k. And he will drive it as it should be driven. He will have mods on it as soon as he buys it and will have it out on the track the second it is broken in.

My beef is that people complain about 1-2K when we are dealing with 46-50K. Who cares. If you really want the car you woul dpay extra for it...if you are not willing then in my opinion you don't deserve it. There are not that many being sold and I would like them to be sold to people who will appreciate them for what they are. If you have a serious problem with that, too bad.
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nice generalizations but way off my point.
People who appreciate things are people who appreciate things.
I know people with wealthy parents that appreciate everything they have and there are those that don't. Who cares.

My point is, if you are gonna whine about it and say that it is not worth 50K to you, then it is simply not worth 50K to you. For someone who knows the performance of these cars and realizes that it is actually not a bad deal, I feel they deserve it.
This is my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. Actually I hope you don't. I like having my own opinion.

I'm not telling you WHAT you do or don't deserve but simply that I THINK you don't deserve it because you don't seem to appreciate what this car has to offer. You may disagree and that's just peachy.
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Old 04-26-2003, 05:03 AM   #22
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It looks like SOC did their homework on setting the price at $47,000.

For comparison (all prices exclude freight & PDI):

Price Point

S2000 $48,600
350Z-Track $46,500
G35 Coupe $47,000

Performance

M3 $73,800
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Old 04-26-2003, 06:28 AM   #23
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username- Are you going to buy a STi while making the phone call the dealership? If so, why do you want to buy a STi? Just curious

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Old 04-26-2003, 06:40 PM   #24
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username: good point..

it costs more here and we should figure out why, instead of just saying it's worth it..

most of us aren't rich people to begin with..
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Old 04-26-2003, 07:13 PM   #25
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...but it's a cult car and I don't want to see them on the road like all of the Hondas. If it were, I'd just go buy a Honda to begin with. And I do appreciate my money, and it's not handed to me, but the STi is in my near future.
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