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Old 03-17-2003, 12:33 PM   #1
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Default What about Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3?

I did some searching for high performance summer tires, and besides the usual suspects, I came across the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3, a tire that I'm not at all familiar with. They have very good ratings at Tire Rack (close to the S-03 PP), are quite reasonably priced ($143 in 225/45-17), and their treadwear rating (280) is higher than most direct competitors.

Is anybody using these? I'd like to hear all the good, the bad, and the ugly. The best info I found by searching here were results from a test in a British mag last year, where they finished 1st.

I'm considering these in comparison to tires like the Kumho MX. They would be used exclusively for street driving, if I go this route I'll have a dedicated set of Azenis for autocross.
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Old 03-17-2003, 01:22 PM   #2
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squishy, squishy, squishy.

a friend of mine has these on a Legacy and they are VERY soft sidewalls. good grip though. i'd assume that they'll be sticky until they're gone which won't be long (in typical goodyear fashion).
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Old 03-17-2003, 01:41 PM   #3
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Yup......I'm that friend

Grip is good.....got no complaints in that department, but the sidewalls are just too soft.....

To give you an idea of how soft they are. You know those handi-cap ramps to get from the parking lot to normal sidewalk/curbs.

There's one in my apt complex. If I drive up it with only half the tire on it, the tire looks like it's flat because the sidewall is compressing so much. It's rather disturbing.....

I don't have a clue what I'm going to get next. May try the sumitomo (sp) Or if I can squease a 215/45 r16 in the rear fenderwell, I may try to get azenas
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Old 03-17-2003, 02:24 PM   #4
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squishy, squishy, squishy.
That's great information, thanks! I probably wouldn't like them then. I wonder how they won that tire test if they're so soft. I don't really use the ultimate grip of the Azenis during daily driving, but I love the steering response and solid feel that the stiff sidewalls provide.

The Kumho MX are supposed to have fairly soft sidewalls, too. The Yokohama AVS ES100 are another interesting possibility at a slightly lower price/performance point. Maybe I should just keep driving Azenis on the street.
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Old 03-17-2003, 06:43 PM   #5
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EVO, a UK car magazine did a summer tire comparison test last year, the Goodyear was the top tire, the S03 actually did very badly, though it had among the best objective braking numbers, it was bottom or near bottom in every other category. You can probably find the discussion in the archive from last summer.
Love my S03 still though I think I would stick with stock size next time and not get a 17incher.
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Old 03-17-2003, 07:50 PM   #6
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That's great information, thanks! I probably wouldn't like them then. I wonder how they won that tire test if they're so soft. I don't really use the ultimate grip of the Azenis during daily driving, but I love the steering response and solid feel that the stiff sidewalls provide.
Like I said....other then the soft sidewalls and the immediate response that a harder sidewall will do......I like all the other aspects. They are a good all-around tire.....good grip, good wet weather traction/hydro-planing resistance.......not really sure on wear.
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Old 04-11-2003, 05:44 PM   #7
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I got my Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3's put on a couple of weeks ago in 225/45/17 guise. I haven't had them out in extreme heat yet, but I have had them out enough that I feel like I can give some impressions.

First, I would say the same thing that nearly everyone else says - wheels and proper tires make a HUGE difference in the way this car handles (the WRX, that is). It's like I did suspension on the car. The change is that dramatic, at least to me. So much of the slop has been removed, and the suspension actually does it's job better since there is such a decrease in sidewall flex.

Anyway, thus far I have been pretty happy with these tires. They grip well in the corners and break loose progressively. I have not had a hard time at all with snap oversteer with these tires because they communicate what they are doing very well, IMO. Also, they don't seem to howl like some tires do. Even when you are placing a load on them that exceeds what they can withstand, they just gradually break loose and slide out. While I am still experimenting with tire pressures, I have found it's much easier to drift the car when you so choose (in a controlled environment, of course). I like the fact that you can tell what the tires are doing through feedback in the steering wheel more so than through noise.

I have had the car out in the rain once since these tires have gone on the car. I was happy with wet weather performance, although I didn't drive through any huge puddles or anything. However, in an "emergency-like" stop that I did (nobody was around me) they still gripped very well and the ABS worked better than with the stock wheel/tire combo. I have heard other people mention that adding different wheels and/or just tires made a difference in the way the car's ABS behaves, and I was somewhat skeptical that it would actually make much of a difference. But for some reason, the ABS is now less 'over-reactive' IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not saying these are the greatest tires out there or anything. I am not trying to put other tires down by stating my impressions on these - I just wanted to write out my thoughts.

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Old 04-11-2003, 06:19 PM   #8
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The abs thing......why they possibly seem less sensitive is because the ABS system was probably designed for a specific rolling diameter....weight....etc. If you change this.....you change how the ABS reacts.
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Old 04-11-2003, 07:05 PM   #9
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AttaQ: legacy777 posted earlier that the sidewall of these tires are very soft. What is your impression? Thanks for the review, it's very helpful.
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Old 04-11-2003, 07:45 PM   #10
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The difference in the ABS reaction is more likely to do with the fact that with wider gripier tires - they will not lock and slip as easily so the anti-lock doesn't need to engage as often. And stock they will engage a lot around NYC roads.
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Old 04-11-2003, 08:13 PM   #11
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The difference in the ABS reaction is more likely to do with the fact that with wider gripier tires - they will not lock and slip as easily so the anti-lock doesn't need to engage as often. And stock they will engage a lot around NYC roads.
Yes, they were far too sensitive around here as well. Making a decreased ABS presence very nice!

As for the sidewalls being very soft, I guess for me that is partly a matter of comparison and partly a matter of tire pressure. Right now, I am running 36 lbs front and rear pressure. In another week or two, I think I am going to try changing it a little to help get the rear end around a bit better. But anyway, what I am getting to is that if you don't like to run much pressure in your tires, than these might have soft sidewalls. However, since their "max" pressure is listed at 51 lbs on the sidewall, they were obviously made to handle a fair amount of air. For me, that helps decrease or eliminate any substantial sidewall flex. If you are comparing them to Kuhmo's, they have stiffer sidewalls, that is for sure.

The other point to a sidewall stiffness comparison is "what are you used to?" To me, these are pretty nice - not too stiff, and not lay down and die soft like plenty of other tires. However, if you are used to a tire with a particularly stiff sidewall, like I have heard Azenis have, than you may not like this as much. I haven't driven these enough in really aggressive situations to find out how much of a sustained beating they can take, but that is what this summer is for! (and going to the dragon in may)
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:17 PM   #12
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Guess I'm just too picky.....or used to stiffer sidewall

I've tried pressures all the way up to high 40's and nothing seemed to work.

I may try to play with pressures more now....since they have some wear on them. I just rotated them tonight......so I'll do some more playing and see how they feel.
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Old 04-12-2003, 12:51 AM   #13
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I put these on my REX about 3 weeks ago [[approx 1000 miles] and am very happy with them, 03 wagon stock suspension. We have had a fair amount or rain here, and the wet behavior is outstanding. Deep puddles are almost like they are not there. I dont find the sidewalls to be soft cmpared to the re92s . I am running 36 lbs all around.

But dont go out in the snow, that last snow we had was an experience, I went out late at night just to see, and went straight home. I wont do that again, put the Blizzacks back on.

I would buy these again, I just want to see how they wear, that might change my mind, but go to what ????

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Actually for those of us in the NYC area - we won't want the stiffest sidewalls available anyway - the potholes are nasty and the road budgets are down. 45 / 17s could be real bad if there isn't some level of give. The roads are bad enough to think ever so briefly about 205/50's ::gasp:: but then I might as well stick with 16" and get the wider tire 215/50. Haven't tried these GY's yet - but the 225/45/17 are at the top of my list.

Legacy I don't doubt for a moment you are experiencing the feel you are describing but you might have just gotten used to a really stiff sidewall.
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Old 04-12-2003, 05:39 PM   #15
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I just want to put in a good word for the Kumho MXs. Everyone is bashing these for having a soft sidewall, which I don't feel is really the case. I just bought the tires about three weeks ago, and returned from my first track day of the summer yesterday. The track was dry for the first three sessions and wet for the last. My WRX handled and gripped better than it ever has before. I was running Yoko A520s last year, which are pretty bad tires in my opinion, but they have extreamly stiff sidewalls and grip the track very well (see tirerack comparison if you want test data). Anyway, these are summer/track tires for me and so I need a good compromise. These are the most comforatable and resposive tires I have ever driven on. So as a daily driver they rock. As far as track driving goes, I had the fastest WRX out, and turned a few people there in to MX believers. I had no marks on the tires from excessive roll (40 lbs. front 36 lbs. rear). Again, in my opinion these are perfect tires for the competition cummuter car.
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Old 04-13-2003, 02:52 PM   #16
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It's very possible I've gotten used to stiffer sidewalls. The other thing I'm wondering is since tire size is different....whether that will make a difference on the load rating of the tire or change the construction at all.
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Old 04-13-2003, 06:27 PM   #17
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Just did my first AutoX on the MXs today (I know, thread is about the Goodyears, but it seems to be expanding so I guess I'll make it worse), first I want to say I miss the R tread big time. I can't wait till I can afford some new sticky rubber. Looking at some pictures taken of my car under heavy load, I would say the sidewalls may be a little soft, but it's not too bad. I started with 36 in the fronts and 34 in the rears, making a guestimate from daily driving the tires at 30/30. I noticed the fronts were rolling over just a tad at this pressure so I took them up a pound, but the rears were not even close to using all the tread, likewise my car was snapping all over the place. I did a slalom of 6 gates, sliding sideways, full oposite lock to full oposite lock at every gate of two cones side by side in third gear, not one cone! Eh, that's a whole 'nother story in itself. ANYWAY, dropped the pressure, 4 psi, back down to 30 in the rear for the last run also droped the KYB a notch in the rear. Car handled very good for this run, used all of the tread in the rear and car was pretty neutral.

My impression is that these tires are very very fun on the street. They did pretty good in autoX but I can really only compare with R compound. I will check my times against vehicles with similar setups to see how I compare. Unfortunately I coned on the third run, so my second run which somehow remained clean was fastest. Raw time, 3rd was better by about a second. For the street I give a thumbs up, for autoX I would say ask around, I'm curious what the street tire folks will be winning with at Nationals.

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I purchased a set of Eagle F1 GS-D3's in 215/45R17 about 3 weeks ago. I think the tires are wonderful. They are very grippy, they handle great in wet or dry and they are very quiet for a performance tire. I'm currently running 32psi front & 29psi rear and have no complaints about the sidewall stiffness. They actually seem to feem very similar to the Falken Azenis, just quieter.

I was leaning towards the MX but am very happy I decided on the Goodyears, hopefully they will last for awhile.

I paid $124 per tire at Tire Rack and got a $50 Cash Card from Goodyear with the purchase of 4 tires. http://www.goodyeartires.com/promoti...ertificate.pdf
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Dangit......one month off from being able to get the rebate......grrrrrr
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One thing I've noticed about the specs on these tires is the really narrow tread width for example the 205/55 16 S-03 has a section width of 8.4" and a tread width of 7.6" while the 205/55 16 GS-D3 has a section width of 8.4" and a tread width of 6.7". I just picked that size cause its stock for our cars but the difference is there in all the sizes. For a really big difference look at 235/40 17s. The GS-D3 has a section width of 7.6" while the ES100 (really wide tread width) is 9.1". Thats a difference of 1.5" but the ES100 is only .1" bigger in section width. Yes, the ES isn't a max performance tire but I wanted to throw out that extreme example. It just seems bizarre to me that the Goodyear is so narrow especially since I've read a number of good things about it. On scoobynet a number of people prefer it to the S-03 and the T1-s
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I had 2 sets of goodyears on my car and all junk.. hate them, hate them.. 1st set was Eagles and 2nd HP's.. don't recoment them for anything else but signaling smoke signals by indians.. probably burn good. Just ordered Firestone Firehawks.. will see how these will turn out.


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Dangit......one month off from being able to get the rebate......grrrrrr
Actually I think there is another rebate going on now for the tires, still $50, call and ask Luke@TireRack.

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I had 2 sets of goodyears on my car and all junk.. hate them, hate them.. 1st set was Eagles and 2nd HP's.. don't recoment them for anything else but signaling smoke signals by indians.
Prior to trying these I would have agreed with that statement. The Goodyears I have owned in the past were horrible, not much traction, wore out to quickly. The new F1 GS-D3 is totally different than any Goodyear I have driven on before. Definitly comparible to a Michelin Pilot Sport / Bridgestone S-03 in terms of dry grip and wet traction. So far the treadwear seems good too.
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I bought mine actually back in november. I called goodyear directly and they said it was a no-go on the rebate.
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:30 PM   #24
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I ordered a set (225/45-17). I'm still somewhat concerned about legacy777's comments (could it be the different size that he's probably running?), but everything else I found sounded great, so I thought I'd give them a try. I'll post my impressions, they should be on the car in a week. They will mainly see street use, for auto-x I'll only use them as "rain tires". Well, maybe I'll run them at an event sometime, just to see how they perform relative to the Azenis.

Thanks for the feedback, everybody!
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