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Old 04-22-2003, 11:39 AM   #1
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hey i havent seen anyone talking about the powerband on the STi. does anyone know if it'll be good to redline or after 5k u got nothing?

my friend has a 99 civic si.. and he thinks he can take me in the twisties, with only a bolt on turbo for him.. idk

the STi has the vf30? ive seen a lotta ppl on a lotta forums saying different things.. and which turbo could u use that would give u a decent boost in power and no lag?

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Old 04-22-2003, 01:07 PM   #2
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well your friend has a 1.8L with a turbo.... the sti has a 2.5L with a turbo and tuned for said turbo + the avcs heads..... low end wont be a problem after 5k wont be a problem with it making peek at 4k.... and the uber tall gears will make things feel even faster.
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the reason people don't talk about this stuff is becuase it is not available yet. tell your friend that if he is so sure he can take you in the twists than he should put $31,000, that way you will have an STI for free. the low end torque of the 2.5 mated to the short gears and 4wd will make the STI a beast in the twists so you have nothing to fear.

last i heard the STI is using either the VF-30 or VF-34 but it is modified for the new motor. i am willing to bet that lag is minimal so there is no reason to change the turbo just yet.
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Old 04-22-2003, 01:53 PM   #4
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well your friend has a 1.8L with a turbo.... the sti has a 2.5L with a turbo and tuned for said turbo + the avcs heads..... low end wont be a problem after 5k wont be a problem with it making peek at 4k.... and the uber tall gears will make things feel even faster.
thanks for reply but its a 1.6, puts out around 270 whp and has whole new suspension.. but the 300 horses of the STi peaks at 6,000 so i got power all the way up there

hes willing to race me for money.. haha
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:12 PM   #5
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take my advice, race him!

270fwhp will be a pain to control and to get truction. i have a friend with a turbo integra with 315whp and the car is impossiable to launch. also keep in mind that you have the gears working for you and the 2.5 will give a lot of low end torque will the AVCS will also help
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:47 PM   #6
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1.6L engine w/ that much power has to be tuned for the high end hp...you'll take him since he'll have no low end and no torque compared to you.

plus..AWD! DCCD! the nice sticky tires!

on the other hand if he gutted his car it can be like 700 lb less than yours! :P
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Please race at an AutoX or track.
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Old 04-22-2003, 04:18 PM   #8
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he'll get me in the autox his car turns better
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Old 04-22-2003, 04:37 PM   #9
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His car turns better than a car that you've never driven? That hasn't been released?

It must be great to have psychic abilities.

Please call the show at this link, I'm sure they'd be interested to talk to you.
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The cool thing about an AutoX is that skill is very important. When I started I got destroyed by Neons, PT Cruisers, VW Bugs, etc. Since I learned, I have beat Z06s, a Viper, shifter carts, etc. Of course in the rain, I beat just about anything that doesn't have AWD and street tries.
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Old 04-22-2003, 05:48 PM   #11
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the civic boy is a fool. He couldn't plant that 270hp if he wanted to. What's his 0-60? Ohhh yeah it's 6.4... because he can't plant it. And that's a magazine number because they tested it. And in the autocross I'd put a 2.5 RS against him because his 1 wheel that will be spinning itself until it pops will not be anything but useless.

ohh and that impressive 270 is followed by 160ft pounds of torque... Let him race up a mountain road or anything with an incline and watch him decelerate.

He has no chance against a stock wrx.

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Old 04-22-2003, 07:08 PM   #12
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Please race at an AutoX or track.

Amen...

No one likes high insurance premiums...
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:00 PM   #13
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The cool thing about an AutoX is that skill is very important. When I started I got destroyed by Neons, PT Cruisers, VW Bugs, etc. Since I learned, I have beat Z06s, a Viper, shifter carts, etc. Of course in the rain, I beat just about anything that doesn't have AWD and street tries.
shifter carts??? what was it being driven by? michael jaxson's ape bubbles????
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Old 04-23-2003, 12:37 PM   #14
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any civic with any turbo WILL NOT hang with any STI. :PERIOD. I don't think it could hang with a stock WRX> The only area of performance it might (and I stess might) beat the WRX is in braking. If the Civic has upgraded brakes, because of it lighter weight it might stop faster. But that is all I am willing to give to the civic.

Has anyone else seen there new civic commercials? Three teenage stoners in a civic and a new solgan "when you have a car you don't have to think about What will you think about ?" I'd rather think about my car than what color hair they put on a bald guy's divers liceanse. But that is just me. These comercials show the design intent of the civic. They sure as heck didn't put it racing through some twistes did they?

Also, to tell you my perspective on the subject, I test drive and considered buying a 99 civic si. Drove it and hated it. My wife has a 99 accord coupe V6. I raced it in the civic and it blisted my bumm. The SI is not a performanc sports car. The WRX and STi are now the Industry leaders in the sports compact market. So, Allow him to day dream in any fashion he wishes. But tell him to ;put his money where his mouth is.
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just as a side note, do NOT race him on the highway. first, it is illegal and stupid.second, if his car is tuned right he will win. my friend's integra is a BEAST on the highway.
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Old 04-23-2003, 12:45 PM   #17
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Old 04-23-2003, 01:36 PM   #18
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i'm going to go against the grain here, and say that from a roll, the civic will be all over the sti. from a stop, i think it will be close. the sti would get the launch, but if the kid in the civic can launch good, once they are moving, he should be able to pull, no prob. 270whp in a ~2500lb (+/- 50lbs) vs 300hp (minus drivetrain losses) at the crank in a ~3200lb vehicle.

people knock honda's a lot because of the 'image' that they have. i don't necessarily like the image that they have, but hey.. it's working for honda, they are a business, and why not try to profit on it. in reality though, honda builds STRONG motors. they might not be torque monsters, but they can put out a ton of horse power, and pretty reliably too.

but there is only one REAL way to find out, other than just bench racing. but that means we have to wait a little bit.

and please guys .. when/if you race, be careful, and take it to a track if you can.
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any civic with any turbo WILL NOT hang with any STI. :PERIOD. I don't think it could hang with a stock WRX> The only area of performance it might (and I stess might) beat the WRX is in braking. If the Civic has upgraded brakes, because of it lighter weight it might stop faster. But that is all I am willing to give to the civic.

Has anyone else seen there new civic commercials? Three teenage stoners in a civic and a new solgan "when you have a car you don't have to think about What will you think about ?" I'd rather think about my car than what color hair they put on a bald guy's divers liceanse. But that is just me. These comercials show the design intent of the civic. They sure as heck didn't put it racing through some twistes did they?

Also, to tell you my perspective on the subject, I test drive and considered buying a 99 civic si. Drove it and hated it. My wife has a 99 accord coupe V6. I raced it in the civic and it blisted my bumm. The SI is not a performanc sports car. The WRX and STi are now the Industry leaders in the sports compact market. So, Allow him to day dream in any fashion he wishes. But tell him to ;put his money where his mouth is.
Dood your an idiot. What did you shift the SI at like 4k when drove it? At certian RPM's in my SI i could hang with my friends stock WRX on the highway. The SI with I/H/E will run low-mid 15's a second slower than a stock wrx. Keep in mind that the WRX steals a second off the line so thats why Highway races are close. A turbo civic can run 13's easy. Some run 12's and a few run 11's. If you dont believe me, check honda-tech.com and look at the slips and dynos. A simple b18c1 engine swap into a hatch will keep up with a WRX if not be faster without a turbo. If you were to turbo that, it would be all over. The WRX is faster than the SI down low, but up top its about the same. I do like my WRX better though

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Old 04-23-2003, 08:38 PM   #20
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lagger the car weighs 2650 and it has no torque.. i think hes pushin 100 lb wtq.. with the turbo.. maybe 160-170 wtq.. idk if it would be that close vs a 300hp 300lb tq wrx.

The power combined with a 6spd tranny = a fast ass car, the kids civic broke yesterday, he either slipped a bearing or a ring is gone... hahaha honda reliability!!
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You learn a lot about different cars at autoX, even when you're not driving .... just working the course, especially on a slalom section. The WRX comes through with quite a bit of body roll, no matter who's driving and in all classes except for the ones upgraded to 'prepared.' But all four wheels are always planted, and presumably driving!

The Civics and Integras and RSXs all exhibit similar behavior, too: their inside wheel, front or both wheels, come up off the ground. Two weekends ago, while we were waiting for people to screw up and hit a cone, we kept trying to see if one of them could go over a cone -- two of them looked like they made it

This Sunday's supposed to be rainy -- now we'll see what happens! I'll check the times and see if there's any similarity at all.

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lagger the car weighs 2650 and it has no torque.. i think hes pushin 100 lb wtq.. with the turbo.. maybe 160-170 wtq.. idk if it would be that close vs a 300hp 300lb tq wrx.

The power combined with a 6spd tranny = a fast ass car, the kids civic broke yesterday, he either slipped a bearing or a ring is gone... hahaha honda reliability!!
that sucks about his car. but that will happen. reliability is all in the tuning, and being realistic (which 270whp can be). i have little doubt that the sti would be more reliable than a turbo honda (there are exceptions for everything). had he done anything to the bottom end?? forged pistons, lowered compression, etc?

honda's really don't have much for torque down low, but they will move when they get the rev's up, vtec =)

when my sti comes in, and i turbo my honda.. we'll see which comes out on top. =)
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i have little doubt that the sti would be more reliable than a turbo honda (there are exceptions for everything). had he done
i have to agree with you on this one. you can't compare a factory build motor which was designed for turbo charging to a N/A motor with a turbo charger. i think the STI will be very reliable as long as people don't do anything stupid to the car (forcing 20psi without tuning for fuel etc...)
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You learn a lot about different cars at autoX, even when you're not driving .... just working the course, especially on a slalom section. [...]
I'll second that. It has certainly changed my opinion of some cars. Driver skill is so important, and watching the different techniques required for different cars is fun as well. As one would expect, the faster drivers tend to have the faster cars, which does twist things a little.

Before autocrossing, I really hated corvettes. I still don't like them, but I have to give them credit for being really fast:
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hehe. I can't find a case when I beat one in the dry, but in the wet I have. I've been close in the dry. Granted, when they have good drivers in them I get smoked.
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