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Old 04-22-2003, 11:43 AM   #1
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Unhappy mods allowed in "stock" class races

anyone have a link to mods allowed for each division/class in local races?

I don't want to be doing any mods that will bump me into a more competitive class at the races if I don't have to... I'd like to stay in a "stock" class for this year.

I searched last night to no avail... there are a lot of car racing associations and I had no idea what rules they follow locally

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Old 04-22-2003, 11:53 AM   #2
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Try www.vcmc.ca

They should have a link to the info, or search in their forums for the info.

For your car, basically you have to use stock size wheels (16 inch in your case) but you can use any DOT rated tire. Lots of guys are using the Kumhos. You are aloud one alteration point...most people are using that point by doing a rear sway bar. You can change your shocks but not springs. No intake. Muffler from the cat back is a freebie.

Those are the basics...but check VCMC for more info.
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Old 04-22-2003, 12:53 PM   #3
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Try www.vcmc.ca

They should have a link to the info, or search in their forums for the info.

For your car, basically you have to use stock size wheels (16 inch in your case) but you can use any DOT rated tire. Lots of guys are using the Kumhos. You are aloud one alteration point...most people are using that point by doing a rear sway bar. You can change your shocks but not springs. No intake. Muffler from the cat back is a freebie.

Those are the basics...but check VCMC for more info.
I tried their website but was getting nowhere... was it right in front of me and I didn't realize it

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Old 04-22-2003, 01:07 PM   #4
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CACC (www.caccautosport.org) is the sanctioning body, so you'll want to look there.

Below is a link to the 2002 rulebook. There have been some minor changes for 2003, but I don't believe they affect modifications allowed in stock class in any way. You'll want to look at section 6.3 and the tables in section 6.7.
http://www.caccautosport.org/documen...o_rulebook.pdf
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Old 04-22-2003, 01:19 PM   #5
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There we go. I suck at links. AWD is good at links.
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Old 04-22-2003, 01:41 PM   #6
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CACC (www.caccautosport.org) is the sanctioning body, so you'll want to look there.

Below is a link to the 2002 rulebook. There have been some minor changes for 2003, but I don't believe they affect modifications allowed in stock class in any way. You'll want to look at section 6.3 and the tables in section 6.7.
http://www.caccautosport.org/documen...o_rulebook.pdf

thanks so much... that was exactly what I was looking for... seems to me that a lot of minor modifications are allowed!

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Old 04-22-2003, 03:04 PM   #7
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seems to me that a lot of minor modifications are allowed!
For stock class? Not really. You've only got 1 point to use which may be best spent on a swaybar. A set of performance struts wouldn't use any points and would definitely be a good call. If you're really serious, you might want to spend the point on wider, smaller diameter wheels/tires. I'd love to run a 15x8 with a 225/45R15 Kumho V700s on an RS. Beyond that, you're looking at a performance alignment, a cat back exhaust, and possibly a drop-in replacement air filter.
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:25 PM   #8
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For stock class? Not really. You've only got 1 point to use which may be best spent on a swaybar. A set of performance struts wouldn't use any points and would definitely be a good call. If you're really serious, you might want to spend the point on wider, smaller diameter wheels/tires. I'd love to run a 15x8 with a 225/45R15 Kumho V700s on an RS. Beyond that, you're looking at a performance alignment, a cat back exhaust, and possibly a drop-in replacement air filter.
Maybe changes would be a better description than mods... like brake pads, linings, fluids, spark plugs and some other stuff... just a lot more than I would have thought? and it even states that a lot of things like a wing can be changed as long as it's as heavy as the stock one? those were the things I was thinking of.

As far as mods go... I have already purchased a rear swaybar (I think - hey Ooter call me back!) and I was gonna look at getting some AGX struts and new rubber.

would changing the wheel size take up the "point" option i.e. I wouldn't be able to add a swaybar?

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Old 04-22-2003, 08:44 PM   #9
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That's right. If you change from your stock wheel size you use up your point. If you have a sway bar AND different sized wheels you are into SS class.
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:47 PM   #10
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seems to me that a lot of minor modifications are allowed!
o yes, it is.

In stock, you allow to have 1 point.

here are some commom mods in stock class:

Race tires (u can use some wider ones) - 0 point
Shocks - 0 point
brake pads - 0 point
tower bar - 0 point
air filter - 0 point
exhaust (some free weight deduction too) -0 point
sway bar - 1 point each
one weight deduction, like a seat, CF hood, battery(light weight, or relocate)...etc - 1 point each

above u got 2 points, but if u install a fire extinguisher, u can take 1 point off, so u end up with 1 point in total for having all those thing above.

Of course there are a lot more other little things u can do.
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:53 PM   #11
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if you kick Cary in the leg you get a free bonus point as well!
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:57 PM   #12
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My legs are in tora's house, if u like to kick them, just go find him. But I don't where he hides them in his house.
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Old 04-22-2003, 09:21 PM   #13
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The problem with AGX struts is I don't believe there are any made for 02 and up cars. The ones designed for the previous generation fit, but the rears have the mounting holes in a slightly different position, which I suspect is an illegal mod. It also results in additional negative camber which can be fixed with camber bolts but won't change the fact that they aren't allowed in stock class.

Also, the negative point for adding a fire extinguisher can only be used to offset points taken in the weight reduction section.
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Old 04-22-2003, 09:23 PM   #14
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o yes, it is.

In stock, you allow to have 1 point.

here are some commom mods in stock class:

Race tires (u can use some wider ones) - 0 point
Shocks - 0 point
brake pads - 0 point
tower bar - 0 point
air filter - 0 point
exhaust (some free weight deduction too) -0 point
sway bar - 1 point each
one weight deduction, like a seat, CF hood, battery(light weight, or relocate)...etc - 1 point each

above u got 2 points, but if u install a fire extinguisher, u can take 1 point off, so u end up with 1 point in total for having all those thing above.

Of course there are a lot more other little things u can do.
this is all starting to make sense now...

by tower bar do you mean stut tower bar - I've heard that a rear strut bar is helpful... is this true?

If i upgrade my stereo will that matter? I understand it's couterproductive at the track but it keeps me sane for the 400km a week I drive my car!!
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Old 04-22-2003, 09:23 PM   #15
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hey cary lam.. my buddy just got a cf hood and trunk.. i undersytand the hood bit but wut about the trunk?? does that count as well??
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hey cary lam.. my buddy just got a cf hood and trunk.. i undersytand the hood bit but wut about the trunk?? does that count as well??
The wording is:
Lightweight or removed panel. A panel is defined as a convertible top, roof, trunk or hatch back (or similar) lid, door, fender, hood, grill, valance, or any other coachwork panel. 1 point each

So if he has both, it's 2 points.
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Old 04-22-2003, 09:43 PM   #17
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this is all starting to make sense now...

by tower bar do you mean stut tower bar - I've heard that a rear strut bar is helpful... is this true?

If i upgrade my stereo will that matter? I understand it's couterproductive at the track but it keeps me sane for the 400km a week I drive my car!!
it's just the bar across the top of your front shocks.

yes, rear strut bar helps too, also the bar mounts on top of the spare tire area too. Both bars can make your rear part of the chassis stiffer, it's kind of like make the rear stiffer, so less understeer in some way. I remember those bars don't count for points too.

Stereo....if it's not done for weight deduction, it's ok.

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Old 04-22-2003, 09:47 PM   #18
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The wording is:
Lightweight or removed panel. A panel is defined as a convertible top, roof, trunk or hatch back (or similar) lid, door, fender, hood, grill, valance, or any other coachwork panel. 1 point each

So if he has both, it's 2 points.
Thanks for helping me answer the questions.
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Old 04-22-2003, 10:48 PM   #19
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it's just the bar across the top of your front shocks.

yes, rear strut bar helps too, also the bar mounts on top of the spare tire area too. Both bars can make your rear part of the chassis stiffer, it's kind of like make the rear stiffer, so less understeer in some way. I remember those bars don't count for points too.

Stereo....if it's not done for weight deduction, it's ok.
cool thanks!
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Strut tower bars are not legal for stock class. One per end is free in SS and up.
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yeah, I'm not sure all the detail for stock class, so I could be wrong. If you want to make sure, just post it on the vcmc.ca forum, I'm sure people there should be able to answer your questions correctly.

Hope to see you in autox next time !
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Uh... strut tower bars should have very little effect on handling. But, don't take my words for it. Go to corner-carvers.com and argue with engineers instead
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Uh... strut tower bars should have very little effect on handling. But, don't take my words for it. Go to corner-carvers.com and argue with engineers instead
you are right, they make very little effect compare to swaybar and shocks/springs. That's why my rear bar(the one on top of the spare tire arear) is the very last thing I put into my car, which allows me to do some fine tune. And I can feel the difference it makes.

I don't even have front or rear strut bar, I don't want to put any extra weight onto my car if I don't have to.
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