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Old 04-24-2003, 09:35 AM   #1
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Default Why so many want STI Wing deleted?

If any STI soon to be owners want to delete their wing.. I think the trunk lids are swappable, so plenty of WRX with smaller or no wings can trade trunk lids.

I read many people want to delete the Wing. But that really offsets the STI's aggressive pose. The front is bulky looking so obviously the rear wing, balances out the front bulky facial. Not to mention the wing is functional, unless you are buying the STI for the dragstrip that may slow down your 1/4 mi times.

I think a wing-less STI will only look out of place and certainly less uniqueness and make the STI look more like the Nissan Maxima.
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Well the WRX practically looks the same. It has a smaller wing and looks just fine.

The debate has already turned into pure war on this forum. The climax of battle is seeimgly over, but everyon has their opinion. I for one plan to remove it at the lot and get a WRX spoiler. I believe the disadvantages of the big wing outweigh the advantages. Whether the style is an advan or disadvan, is up to the individual. Wingless would look funny IMO, but only because the hood scoop is so large.

I am not going to say that it isn't functional. I just don't think its function will be relevant to my driving. The wingless Spec C in that video with the other Sti's and Evos seem to have no handling issues due to lack of wing. The other four cars had a good look at its wingless trunk as it went through the finish first. No this doesn't mean that it performs better without a wing either. The driver was also probably simply a better driver in the car he was piloting. Which goes to prove that the wing isn't worth diddly without a good driver to take advantage of it. And all five drivers were probably better than 80% of the future US STi owners.

Doing a complete trunk swap is not an option for me assuming that the WRX trunk is steel and the STi trunk is aluminum. I won't go wingless until I get a FMIC first. Then the scoop will be gone, so the featureless trunk will no longer be out of place.
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Old 04-24-2003, 10:59 AM   #3
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You are aware that the STI wing bolt ups differntly than the WRX wing, so its not an easy 5 minute swap before you leave the dealer. You either need to plug the extra holes, swap the whole lid, or use your entire trunk as an I/C water spray jug.
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Old 04-24-2003, 11:17 AM   #4
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You are aware that the STI wing bolt ups differntly than the WRX wing, so its not an easy 5 minute swap before you leave the dealer. You either need to plug the extra holes, swap the whole lid, or use your entire trunk as an I/C water spray jug.
already got it covered

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Old 04-24-2003, 11:18 AM   #5
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is the STi trunk aluminum?
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Old 04-24-2003, 08:52 PM   #6
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is the STi trunk aluminum?
I highly doubt it.
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Old 04-24-2003, 10:57 PM   #7
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If anyone swaps trunk lids with a wingless WRX, what are the options for a 3rd brake light to be legal? The STIs don't have a brake light in the rear window.
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Old 04-24-2003, 11:03 PM   #8
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I think its ugly but when I get my STI i plan on leaving it on (4 yrs from now blech!)

its so STI u have to leave it on or something
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Old 04-25-2003, 10:18 AM   #9
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The car looks good with the wing. And I agree it balances the front. But there is such thing as cop bait. I guess a decision can always be made after one's license is in jeopardy.
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Old 04-25-2003, 10:51 AM   #10
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I prefer either a LARGE WING or NO WING.

I have never been a fan of small wings/spoilers on cars. Either it needs to be large and fully functional OR get rid of it altogether for a cleaner appearance.

The only time a small spoiler looks good is when it is fully integrated with the rest of the bodywork, like in the case of the Ferrari 355. On the other hand, the Audi TT's excuse for a spoiler looks very silly on an otherwise beautiful arse. The spoiler on the regular WRX too is pointless as it offers very little downforce and does nothing to improve the car's ugly behind. WReXinEfX is right about the "balance" issue.

Metoo: did you ever consider that the Spec-C might be EVEN FASTER if it had the wing? That the reason it is able to more than hold it's own against the standard STi is because it's lighter weight and better suspension geometry may be MORE THAN COMPENSATING for the lack of a wing? The reason why cars like the STI-Spec-C and the EVO-RS are often sold without a lot of extras is because most people buying these cars end up racing them in different series. The rules regarding aerodynamics, differentials, etc often differ from one series to another. Subaru and Mitsubishi realize that the owners will end up changing out a lot of parts to maximise the car according to the rules, therefore they sometimes sell these cars without a lot of the good stuff. Paul Hansen: what are your thoughts on this subject?

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Old 04-25-2003, 11:03 AM   #11
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I think I speak for alot of people that don't want the wing because of all these kids that rice out their cars. Nasty body kits crappy aluminum wings ect. It was a factor when I bought my dub (wingless) I'm not against wings, I think the STI needs it and its functional. But some people don't want to draw attention to themselves
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I think I speak for alot of people that don't want the wing because of all these kids that rice out their cars. Nasty body kits crappy aluminum wings ect. It was a factor when I bought my dub (wingless) I'm not against wings, I think the STI needs it and its functional. But some people don't want to draw attention to themselves
hey now rigpin i'm not a ricer lol
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Old 04-25-2003, 11:50 AM   #13
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I highly doubt it.
I have no knowledge of this, but it would make sense. The 2002 RS has a steel hood and steel trunk. The 2002 WRX has an aluminum hood and steel trunk. I assume the STi hood is aluminum and it would be a sensible move to make the trunk lid aluminum as well, especially since they went through the trouble of making a light-weight rear glass. The Evo trunk lid is aluminum. My bet is that the STi trunk is too. It's a simple application to reduce weight and lower the CG.
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Old 04-25-2003, 12:59 PM   #14
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If anyone swaps trunk lids with a wingless WRX, what are the options for a 3rd brake light to be legal? The STIs don't have a brake light in the rear window.
Unless the interior decklid has changed, you could fairly easily swap that as well. The WRX has an interior 3rd brake light, as well as a light on the WRX (small) spoiler.
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Old 04-25-2003, 01:31 PM   #15
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I have no knowledge of this, but it would make sense. The 2002 RS has a steel hood and steel trunk. The 2002 WRX has an aluminum hood and steel trunk. I assume the STi hood is aluminum and it would be a sensible move to make the trunk lid aluminum as well, especially since they went through the trouble of making a light-weight rear glass. The Evo trunk lid is aluminum. My bet is that the STi trunk is too. It's a simple application to reduce weight and lower the CG.
don't you think they'd be advertising this in the specs like they advertise the aluminum hood and other minor tweaks? We might be able to tell from some of the pics, do the undersides of the aluminum hood and steel hood look diffrerent?
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Old 04-25-2003, 01:59 PM   #16
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In my opinion, not getting the large wing on an STi is almost like your ashamed of the car. STi's have ALWAYS had the large wing spoiler. It's part of the heritage of the car. When you go looking for publicity photo's of the car, for any year, there's a big wing on the back (except for the last model year STi in Japan, where the small spoiler was an option, and the Spec C. But I do agree with 97itr153; the Spec C is a special case for racers.)

For those of you who say you don't want a ricer car, well...guess what! You're buying a Japanese compact car, that has been extensively modified to go faster, handle better, and look boldly different. So know what? Your beloved STi...it's a ricer!

People, it's a fast car, using some pretty cool technology, but Subaru has never tried to portray it in the same light as BMW's or Merc's. It's not about going fast and having prestige down at the country club, as you would in an M3 or AMG. It's about going fast...period. And if you want to take the wing off, and spend money installing a FMIC so you can get a scoopless hood, so that your car looks like just about any other 4 door sedan (only one that's still has no leather seats or prestige, and pretty crappy paint to boot) then save both time and money and get a BMW or Audi. But then, it would be ironic. Honda driver's spend mad amounts of money to look really wild and racer-like. An STi without the wing or scoop would look like...a Honda Accord. Funny....

I completely support whatever people want to do with their car's for customization, but I had to rant. This is just my opinion regarding the wing. It does get annoying to hear, and I've actually heard this, "Why does Subaru want the STi to look so ricey? Is it because of F&TF?" Folks, the Impreza STi was "ricey" before there was a term, and long before people started putting aluminum wings on Cavaliers. It's one of the car's that helped establish the rice look. So when I go driving, I want the Honda boys to see that HUGE spoiler sitting there on my rear deck and go, "Oh my God! That's an STi! Duuuude....!" That's right, boys, you can only imitate the original...
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Old 04-25-2003, 02:03 PM   #17
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I think I speak for alot of people that don't want the wing because of all these kids that rice out their cars. Nasty body kits crappy aluminum wings ect. It was a factor when I bought my dub (wingless) I'm not against wings, I think the STI needs it and its functional. But some people don't want to draw attention to themselves
The reason the r!cers had wings because they are imitating other cars they can't afford like the STI, EVO, and GTR.

If you have a car that comes with the wing, the specs itself legitimizes the purpose for the wing.
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Yep, I'm still removing that wing...
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In my opinion, not getting the large wing on an STi is almost like your ashamed of the car. STi's have ALWAYS had the large wing spoiler. It's part of the heritage of the car. When you go looking for publicity photo's of the car, for any year, there's a big wing on the back (except for the last model year STi in Japan, where the small spoiler was an option, and the Spec C. But I do agree with 97itr153; the Spec C is a special case for racers.)
not in the UK. I don't think an STi needs a wing to be a great car. Having said that, I think it looks good with and without. I would rather draw less attention, and am willing to lose the downforce.
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Yep, I'm still removing that wing...
^^ Ditto.

The wing is 'Cop Bait' and I don't need the added attention.
It'll be bad enough with every ragged out & kitted Civiv in town following me home & to work tryign to get a 'kill'.
Plus, I 'DWB' although that issue has cooled off big time since 9/11.

A rear tunk lid (wingless) swap, aluminum or steel, is in order.

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Old 04-25-2003, 04:18 PM   #21
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A large part of the fun of driving a hot saloon is that they are "off the radar" of people that just don't know, well, hot saloons. Everyone expects a car that looks like a Porsche, Eclipse, Celica, Corvette, and any number of other sporty-looking cars to be fast. They don't expect a 4-door compact to be a performance machine.

So the very large wing either (a) tips the hat or (b) makes people that don't know think, "What a dork," -- kind of how we-all think of a Civic with an unpainted fiberglass body kit.

Stealthy hot saloons are all about "walking softly but carrying a big stick." When you have nukes, you don't need to carry around a big sign that says, "I can blow you up."

Unless, of course, your goal is to attract young boys... if that's what you like...

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In my opinion, not getting the large wing on an STi is almost like your ashamed of the car. STi's have ALWAYS had the large wing spoiler. ...........

......that HUGE spoiler sitting there on my rear deck and go, "Oh my God! That's an STi! Duuuude....!" That's right, boys, you can only imitate the original...
Good points all around. I personally have no issue with guys making exterior mods to their cars. It's when they do a poor job of it that makes me cringe, i.e. a Geo Metro with dual pipes, a center mounted 24" tall carbon fibre wing while at stock ride height, with stock 12" hub caps, and stock everything else. EEEEWWWWW!!!

I couldn't care less about Subaru heritage. All things possible that are pink will be removed. Any thing else I think is ugly (and is affordably removeable), I will remove. First the wing, then the stickers and badges, then the carpet and door panels, then the scoop. Will this make it looke like an Accord? Maybe so, and that's not a bad thing for me. I'd rather blend in anyway. I'm buying the car for the thrills it has to offer. There is a very long list of cars in front of the STi that I would buy if looks were my first priority. I thought the new body style was hideous when I first saw it. Now, I'm getting use to it. With the wing, scoop, and pink gone, I will may actually like it.

The Evo wing looks great on the Evo. The car would look odd with out it. I feel the same about the wingless Celica GT-S. The body lines just lead to a wing, so it needs one. The STi wing looks stuck on. The new body style just looks too civil for a wing that huge. The old school ones looked right with their OEM wings. That thing is coming off as soon as I get the keys.
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metoo is right on about the EVO.

EVO - wing + any color but yellow = Yawn!

I saw a photchop floating around NASIOC somewhere of a blue STi debadged, destickered (?), wingless, scoopless and with a FMIC.

It was definitely non-descript but not ugly or Accord'ish.
Though have you seen the new '03 Accord. That thing is hot in more ways than one. My dealer friend says they can't keep them in stock.

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Mmmm... all the more people for me to get an STi wing from.

Anyone in the Tri-state area who wants a normal wrx wing for their WRB STi, I'll trade you trunk-lids straight off (minus your STi badges, I don't want 'em).

Yes, I'm pre-emptively scavanging... oh well
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metoo is right on about the EVO.

EVO - wing + any color but yellow = Yawn!

I saw a photchop floating around NASIOC somewhere of a blue STi debadged, destickered (?), wingless, scoopless and with a FMIC.

It was definitely non-descript but not ugly or Accord'ish.
Though have you seen the new '03 Accord. That thing is hot in more ways than one. My dealer friend says they can't keep them in stock.

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