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Old 04-28-2003, 08:46 PM   #1
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What bad things can an intake do to the engine. I'm not talking warranty stuff with repairs but rather just engine damage. I know it makes your car run leaner but does that cause any damage?

If it helps I was planning on going with the Ganzflow.

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Old 04-28-2003, 09:58 PM   #2
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There should be no issues with a ganzflow as I am sure many people here have it and I haven't read of anything done that was bad. The ECU will compensate for the larger air volume and increase fuel. The only models that had to worry about running lean where the MAF equipped MY98-99. Unless you go forced induction but that is another forum.
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Old 04-28-2003, 10:40 PM   #3
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What he said.. I have a Ganz CAI w/ K&N Panel filter, Borla Headers, PROECM Chip, lightened crank pulley, and a PROECM chip and I haven't had one CEL or any problems.
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Old 04-28-2003, 11:23 PM   #4
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Thanks for the help.

One more thing...should I really worry about adding the K&N or just stick with stock. I read that the K&N lets in more contaminants so is it worth the risk. Does a new air filter actually do anything noticible (sound or power) over stock?
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Old 04-28-2003, 11:29 PM   #5
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Personally, I'd buy a Cobb intake if I were you. I plan on purchasing one after I buy everything else I want for my car.
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Old 04-29-2003, 12:53 AM   #6
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I have run the Gen2 Ganzflow with a K&N, It was a nice seup, I am now running a AEM short ram, they are both nice, but the AEM has a great sound at higher RPMs, Im sure the cobb is a great piece too, but pricey.

In short Intakes make a pretty big difference. Id go for it. If you live on a gravel road or something I can see some contaminates getting through, but that would be true of any filter. If you live in the City I woulnt worry about it. Just for good measure I run a pre-filter on my filter, a little peice of mind and helps it shed water if it gets wet.

get an intake, you wont be sorry.

at least thats my advise take it or leave it.

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Old 04-29-2003, 07:32 AM   #7
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im really happy with my cobb intake on my02 rs. Havent had any problems with anything getting in there. Yes its pricey! but yes its nice!!! i definately noticed gains, and the intake was the first performance thing i did other than springs and swaybar. i definately did not lose any low end torque, i actually think i might have gained some but it could be that increadible sound making me think that!!!! ha ha
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Old 04-29-2003, 02:40 PM   #8
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I would worry about rain and avoid large bodies of water. There was a post not too long ago where someone's Cobb intake sucked in some snow from the fender! Not sure how that happened.. but if it can suck in snow that easily, then I'm sure it can suck in rain just as easily! I usually take my Ganzflow off during the weekdays, since the fastest I'll be going is maybe 50 mph (on the roads I take) to/from work. I would put it on during the weekends when it's not raining where I could go 65+mph.

The only darn problem I have is that I can't "sneak" past people anymore, especially when I go above 3 rpms! People would just hear how loud it is and start to floor it fearing I was going to cut in front of them or something. I'm thinking of creating my own intake from scratch that would incorporate the resonator so that it's not so noisy.
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Old 04-29-2003, 03:32 PM   #9
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Water is my only real fear now....i had heard of these issues before but have heard that they are really no big deal because the chance of them happening is so small.

What do you think?
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Old 04-29-2003, 03:35 PM   #10
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I would worry about rain and avoid large bodies of water. There was a post not too long ago where someone's Cobb intake sucked in some snow from the fender! Not sure how that happened.. but if it can suck in snow that easily, then I'm sure it can suck in rain just as easily! I usually take my Ganzflow off during the weekdays, since the fastest I'll be going is maybe 50 mph (on the roads I take) to/from work. I would put it on during the weekends when it's not raining where I could go 65+mph.

The only darn problem I have is that I can't "sneak" past people anymore, especially when I go above 3 rpms! People would just hear how loud it is and start to floor it fearing I was going to cut in front of them or something. I'm thinking of creating my own intake from scratch that would incorporate the resonator so that it's not so noisy.
I can't even hear my Ganzflow anymore with my Borla Headers and Stromung Catback. I can't even sneak out of the apartment, let alone sneak through traffic. And thats the beauty of awd, driving fast in the rain When I was driving through PA, some Timmy in a Taurus was tailgating me in a downpour, and I was driving through twisties in the mountains at 115mph Lost him pretty quick..
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Old 04-29-2003, 04:37 PM   #11
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the cobb snow incident happened in very high snow... not just a little bit... it was like wheel height iirc...
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Yeah, the snow thing is really strange... I drove my car through 2 feet of snow this winter and didn't get any snow at all in the intake(cobb intake).
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Old 04-29-2003, 06:46 PM   #13
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it sounds like everyone recommends intakes...
aside from the pricey cobb, what would be the next best one in terms of performance only. I was told to look at the Injen ones-- anyone have any opinions?

Also, dont the intakes only really add power at the really high rpms (like 5k+?). If I dont rev that high, is there even a point to an intake?


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Old 04-29-2003, 06:51 PM   #14
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Wow! So I can drive safely in the rain with my Ganzflow now?

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Old 04-29-2003, 07:56 PM   #15
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it sounds like everyone recommends intakes...
aside from the pricey cobb, what would be the next best one in terms of performance only. I was told to look at the Injen ones-- anyone have any opinions?

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IIRC the Injen is just if not more expensive than the Cobb. Their is a guy local who has a Throttle body mounted intake (a cone filter mounted directly on the throttle body) who had dyno results that were pretty good.
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Hunts - dont worry about driving with the ganzflow in the rain, that will not be a problem. doesnt it use the stock airbox? Im perfectly confident that my cobb will be ok. Cobb has even said that the only time it will be a problem is if you fully submerge the front of your vehicle!!! im gonna try my hardest not to do that!!!!! If you had a intake that used one of the big cone filters and dropped all the way down to the bottom of the engine bay and was open down there right next to the road, then you would have to worry about sucking in water, and would perhaps need a bypass valve. Also the kid that got snow clogged in his cobb intake was driving during the worst snow storm that we have had in like 12 years!!!
snow clogged cobb thread

if it really makes you that nervous just dont drive around flooring it in the rain, dont make the intake try to pull as hard as it can in those conditions..
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Pat L.I. - yes, that's the thread I was talking about!

Yeah, my ganzflow does use the stock airbox, but not sure if that helps or makes a big difference in protecting the engine from sucking in water. Cobb will likely be my next step like most of everyone else.

But I like to drive around (almost, but not quite flooring it) in the rain. Doesn't it make you all feel better to be able to drive a little faster than other folks in that kind of weather, especially when you pass that BMW or Mercedes that would normally smoke us all when the roads are dry?
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absoultely, traction in the rain is a great thing about owning a subaru! and i do drive somewhat "spirited" in the rain aswell. and i havent had any problems with my cobb.

that reminds me of when on rainy night i had my friend do a standing start next to me, he has front wheel drive and i wanted him to launch as if it was dry. so basically he spun his tires through third gear and didnt move more than six feet!!! and i was gone!
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The injen intakes cost as much as Cobb? Ithough I remember reading that the injens were like 170 or something...but maybe I was mistaken.. i was looking at AEM and Injens so maybe I mixed up the price...


Aside from Cobb, what would be the next best intake? (cheaper than Cobb)


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Old 04-29-2003, 11:15 PM   #20
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I am sure you may find it cheaper but here for 289.00

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/motor.htm
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hey i have a question
at this site http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/motor.htm they have k&n filters and some intakes listed for sale.

It says that the K&N gives 5-10 hp, and cost $54 bucks.
It says the AEM intake gives up to 10hp, and cost $289.

Is it just me or does it seem odd that a $54 filter can produce the same gains as a $289 intake?

I have a k&N and dont notice anything.
How reliable are the claims about gains? Do intakes provide any gains at low rpms/low speeds (i.e. anything below 4500k or below 95 mph?) If not, they seem like a waste of money....


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anybody know if the new aem v2 works as well as the ads would like you to think? i don't see how inserting one tube into another would do anything but just make the intake even louder.
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Old 05-09-2003, 11:41 PM   #23
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I am skeptical about a K&N actually adding any noticible hp so is it really worth the extra money if I get a ganzflow? Don't you also have to worry about some of the oil used to cover the filter getting into the throttle body and engine?
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I have a COBB and I drove through a very large deep puddle . . about 7 inches deep and water must have gotten in because after i got out of the puddle I nmoticed a sligth ammount of lag and then about 15 seconds later it passed and was fine. I avoid large puddles now but i don't worry about getting water into it.
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i was debating the Cobb/Ganzflow...and with all the positive comments of the Cobb thats who im going with...the only negative is...i dont have it yet...hopefully by month end i will have it
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