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Old 05-06-2003, 10:08 PM   #1
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Lightbulb exhaust - gotta make my final decision

OK, so I'm almost ready to get my exhaust (header, cat, mid pipe, exhaust). I gotta decide what to go with... I've really been considering the MRT kit... but someone also told me to get the ION/Bruellen setup. I know Bruellen (if I spelled it right) makes an exhaust that looks like the Stromung... but what's the "ion"? Basically... I want the best setup I can get for N/A tune! All opinions wanted
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Old 05-06-2003, 10:58 PM   #2
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Well I know this is not one of the most popular choices on the board but I will reccommend it any because I have had real good results with it. The Apexi N1 is the one I like. I know it looks like a grapefruit launcher and all, but it sounds really mean and personally I think it looks cool. Much better flow and noticeable improvements in top end.

Just a suggestion
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Old 05-06-2003, 11:07 PM   #3
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I have the MRT. Some seriously noticeable power bump. Love the sound.
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Old 05-07-2003, 05:37 AM   #4
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I've got the Brullen headers, and custom catback for now. Nice sound, pulls hard. Ion Performance is a vendor that supplys Brullen exhausts among other things. I haven't bought anything from him but have heard he is a good vendor.

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Old 05-07-2003, 10:36 AM   #5
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yeah, i like the n1 and also the quality of the blitz as well.

it all depends on the look wanted. if they want it to look stock, then stromung (stainless) is a good choice, as is probably cobb.
I also know a guy who was selling his hks sport for 200 in the classified here-- that exhaust looks stock pretty much, but just has a larger stock looking tip...check that out as well..

if they want to look different than stock, blitz nur spec, and the apexi n1 are ways to go, those 2 are my favs...maybe i am biased as well since i got an n1.


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Old 05-07-2003, 07:39 PM   #6
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stromung still one of the best too... depends on how loud you want it too... I had larger one initially and went to the stromung dual pipe and hp improved... just my opinion
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Old 05-08-2003, 01:35 AM   #7
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Old 05-08-2003, 10:59 AM   #8
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Does anyone know the difference in hp gains between the bruellen and the MRT?
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Old 05-08-2003, 11:48 AM   #9
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I had the Borla catback... nice sound, deep and nice pulls in the low end, but high-end kinda felt like stock. About 2" diameter pipes.
The dualtip Stromung catback I currently have is excellent! About 2.25" diameter pipes. Nice low-end pulls but high-end pulls better than the Borla. The sound of the Borla was deeper, louder and easily sets off alarms at the parking garage. The Stromung is less deeper and louder, but still great sounding. I wanted to get the dualtip to change the look from the Borla, but now I'm thinking I want the Apexi N1 look, I like the angled look of it now. But the quality of the Stromung is great, that it makes it a hard decision to trade or sell it.

current engine setup: ganz cai with amsoil filter, NGK plugs, UR underdrive pulley, grounding mod!, stock header, Mobil 1 oil, Stromung DT catback... makes me a happy camper everyday.

forgot to add that I have the full stainless steel Stromung catback and its been through Michigan winters and it's still in great condition! I definitely recommend getting the full stainless steel and not the mild one. Scoobymods can tell you all about that.
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Old 05-08-2003, 12:30 PM   #10
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Ippon - if you're planning to do N/A mods and not go turbo, then it's highly suggested you get an equal-length header system. It was designed with the intention of lifting your torque curve up. The power deliverly is smooth, and not peaky. The following are results done independantly by an owner of our products:
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Before Catback or Headers:
0-60 = 8.1 Sec (average of 3 runs)
1/4 Mile = 16.14 @ 86 (Best of 3 runs)
HP = 115 (average of 3 runs)

iON/Brullen 2.25" Cat Back exhaust before Headers:
0 - 60 = 7.4 (average of 3 runs)
1/4 Mile = 15.39 @ 90 (Best of 3 runs)
HP = 121 (average of 3 runs)

Full header-back system:
0 - 60 = 6.91 (average of 3 runs)
1/4 Mile = 14.94 @ 92 (Best of 3 runs)
HP = 136 (average of 3 runs)

Brullen exclusively manufactures our exhaust systems. They're made of 16gauge mandrel bent T304 stainless steel. You have a choice in tip styles : single 3.5", 4", dual 3", dual 3.5". As well you get to choose your own acoustic preference: quiet, medium or loud. All of our exhaust componets have a limited lifetime warranty against manufacture defects.

Our header-back system includes an equal-length header + hi-flow cat + the cat-back section in 2.25" piping.

We also have other SOHC EJ25 N/A mods available, ie: cams, heads, raised rev limiter on the ECU, valvetrain components, hi-compressor pistons etc.

If you'd like more info, send us an email -> info@ionperformance.com

We're currently holding a springtime special for our header-back system.

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Old 05-08-2003, 01:40 PM   #11
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but, if you already have a catback with the stock cat, would it be possible to get just the headers, or would you also need to get a new cat (hi-flow)?

i heard installing a new cat is a pain in the butt.........is one neessary for an equal length header system, that is mated to a catback?

I got an n1 catback now, just trying to see what would be neeed to install the headers (ie would i need to get a new cat and install that too?

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Old 05-08-2003, 02:47 PM   #12
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bahboy20 - our headers for the EJ25 feature long equal-length runners. Hence the system (header+hi-flow cat) was designed to connect at where the stock cats would meet the mid-pipe. If you want to mate our system to your N1 cat-back, you'll have to modify your mid-pipe with the adaptor that's provided with the kit. The cat/midpipe connection for our system is 2.5" not the puny 1.75" flange connection that the stock parts have.

Our system will pass the CARB sniff test in Cali, however it probably won't pass the visual inspection part b/c one of the cats is gone.

If you'd like to see how it fits underneath, send us an email, and we can send you some pictures.

It's actually quite easy to install the system.
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:43 AM   #13
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Does anyone have any numbers like that with a MRT system? By the way... are there exhaust systems that would work well for an NA tune and turbo if I decided to change my mind in the future (thats not really what I'll probably end up doing though).

By the way thanks for all the information all, this is why I know I can count on this forum for good info
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Old 05-09-2003, 09:40 AM   #14
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Does anyone have any numbers like that with a MRT system? By the way... are there exhaust systems that would work well for an NA tune and turbo if I decided to change my mind in the future (thats not really what I'll probably end up doing though).

By the way thanks for all the information all, this is why I know I can count on this forum for good info
There are dyno #s for the MRT on nasioc somewhere... They are +14hp and 16 lb/ft. iirc...
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Old 05-09-2003, 09:55 AM   #15
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yeah, search for headers in the title, it was posted only 2 weeks ago in NA
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Old 05-09-2003, 09:27 PM   #16
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So whats the general opinion? MRT or Bruellen? (I shoulda done a poll). I just want the best berformance, I don't give a damn about the sound.
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Old 05-09-2003, 10:09 PM   #17
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Ippon - it's Brullen

Anyways, our header-back system is modelled after the SYMS unit, which basically will maximize the area under the torque curve. The hi-flow cat that's used in our system is a 100cell unit made in Germany (same ones used by AMG, RUF etc).

The MRT is slightly more peaky, so hence only peak gains are ever tossed around. Also, there've been noted cases of cat converter failures.

Biggest differences will be in materials. Our system is made of mandrel 16gauge T304SS w/ a limited lifetime warranty. The MRT system is made of painted mild steel, and some bends don't look mandrel.
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Old 05-12-2003, 09:18 AM   #18
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The MRT is slightly more peaky, so hence only peak gains are ever tossed around. Also, there've been noted cases of cat converter failures.
I gaurantee you all cats produced have noted cases of failure...

Don't sling mud...

I'm sure the Brullen are fine... obviously they are constructed of better material, they just happen to cost twice as much for a full header back...

This debate will only get worse once Cobb headers come on the scene...

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Old 05-12-2003, 09:44 AM   #19
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I've got a MRT Header cat combo slip flanged to a 2.5 inch Brullen cat-back. I will say the Brullen is of the highest quality and construction, but man is it heavy!
I recommend a 2.25 in cat back, I think the 2.5 is a tad too big. Overall the gains are there, the car pulls nice over 3K rpm. The thing about the Brullen header is the stainless steel= longer life. But the MRT is holding up fine and is very light. Together they sound sweet. I little on the loud side, but if kpt under 3K RPM it's relatively quiet. If moneys' not an issue think about the Brullen, won't be let down. Hope it helps,
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