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Old 05-09-2003, 01:00 AM   #1
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Default H6 engine reliability question

My mom is considering buying an Outback H6-3.0 VDC. I have a WRX that I love, and my cousin also has an Outback (2.5l). However my mom is also looking at the Volvo XC70 and maybe the Audi A4 Avant (might be too small though). My question is about the reliability of the H6 engine. I know this is a new engine as of last year(?). Is it just a 2.5 liter with two more cylinders tacked on it? Does anybody think this engine will run 300k like other people's Legacy wagons? I personally would like to have another Subaru in the family but I'm not sure I can sell her on the reliability of the Subaru versus the Volvo considering the engine. Any other thoughts between the two cars would help too. Thanks.

(Sorry I posted this in the Legacy forum, i just found this after posting).
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Old 05-18-2003, 06:50 PM   #2
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I hope I'm not too late with this but....

I just got to drive my brother-in-law's LL Bean for a while last weekend. So I have the perspective of someone who is new to it and was paying attention to how it feels.

I think it's an outstanding engine. Sewing machine smooth power delivery though no monster off the line. Others have criticized the mid-range power delivery but I found that it's case of making the transmission downshift either through actually dropping it a gear or simply pressing the pedal down to make it downshift. Once it does downshift however, there's plenty of torque. I've driven the A4 and the Volvo and neither are remotely as smooth as this. In fact my brother-in-law dumped his A4 for the LL Bean simply because the reliability was so poor once it started getting up in miles. Off the line the H6 is butter smooth and never sounds strained. Though I'm shopping for a Forester I was VERY impressed by how solid the car felt and how good the steering was. It tends to understeer somewhat but doesn't feel tippy like the Volvo did. Granted neither leaned like an SUV but I thought the H6 was more confident. If you really want a good launch it's just a matter of pressing the pedal. No fancy revving and dropping or anything else. Living in the New York tri-state area I have lots of highways that require getting up to speed very quickly to merge with traffic and this car did everything I wanted of it. That's no small compliment. My brother-in-law loves the car as does my sister. Their only complaint is that the front sunroff doesn't slide back. That's IT.

Given my test drives of all three cars the Scooby was my favorite. The interior is nice (that fake wood though...) and the stereo can't be beat. On Star is a great thing to have. My parents were in a very bad car accident last year when they were rear ended by a semi and OnStar had the police and paramedics on the scene before anyone else called it in. Neither of my parents were able to respond to the OnStar representative or use dial a stand-alone cell phone. I truly believe they are alive today because of OnStar. Half the car was crushed flat and the front end was compressed in half but the system still worked.
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Old 05-18-2003, 08:17 PM   #3
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My sister has a cross country and my parents a LL Bean. Both cars are excellent. The Volvo seems to have more confidents on the highway then the Outback... it's heavier. I find the pick up on the Volvo a little lacking... even the (basic) v version.

I heard of a couple times on the Volvos and the repair horror stories as the cost is up there... like $40 for a head light bulb and it can only be purchased through Volvo.

I personally was going to buy the VDC model myself. I didn't, but my dad did and that's only because he happened to have gone w/ me on the test drive and decided he liked it much better then his legacy GT. The main factor was the smoothness in the v6.

The only issue I have w/ the Outback is I'm 6'1 and have a hard time being comfortable in the out back where as the Volvo is actually the opposite.
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Old 05-22-2003, 03:07 PM   #4
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Thanks for all of your comments. My mom still has yet to decided (or test drive). I will be sure to tell you all which one she gets.

The funny thing about the Outback's is that I can't get comfortable in one either. Seems like the seats don't go far enough back or something. Yet my WRX fits me great. More than enough room to move the seat around. Yet when I drove my Aunt's Outback from Indy to Grand Rapids I always felt like I couldn't get my steering wheel/seat/pedal position quite right. Odd.
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Old 05-23-2003, 07:20 PM   #5
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dude you cant go wrong with any of those vehicales. That Volvo is amazing with all the little ticks it can pull.
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Old 06-16-2003, 12:09 AM   #6
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I am a Subaru mechanic, since the 3.0L came out I havent had 1 problem yet. The 2.5L engine has timing belt tensioner problems, crappy Champion stock spark plugs that misfire, oil leaks.

I would rather have a 3.0L engine any day over the 2.5L.

I like the valve in the intake mainifold and the muffler that open at around 4,000 rpm for better flow.

Plus the 3.0L has platinum plugs and coil on plug ignition, instead of the 1 coil and wires on the 2.5L.


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Old 06-16-2003, 12:23 AM   #7
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I have an 02' VDC wagon. It replaced our 97 limited. We loved the 97 but this is light years beyond it as far as the motor and creature comforts. It's amazingly smooth and quiet even at speed. I think it's faster than it feels, every time I look down I'm doing 80 or 90 w/o realizing it. I'm replacing my RS this year and almost went with the VDC Sedan. Would have too but I really don't want an Auto. Went the the F-XT instead. So far we are very happy w/ the VDC we are only at 15K miles but so far no problems.

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Old 06-24-2003, 04:39 AM   #8
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Subaru does nothing than build boxer engines, and H6 has been around for a couple of years now. Keep in mind that this is not the first H6 Subaru has made. (Remember the SVX?)

I feel that the engine is as smooth as they come once warmed up, it provides good acceleration, and is pretty quiet.

I also feel that the all-wheel-drive is superior to that used on the Volvo (or anybody eles's for that matter).

The drivetrain is layed out in a simplistic pattern, which is less complicated, and thus more reliable than other setups. I have heard that Volvo reliability is not what it used to be since they have become a Ford company.

The H6 also benifits from better fuel economy.

It all comes down to which car is more comfortable and pratical for her day to day driving. For me, the Outback was an obvious choice, I had a 1990 Legacy before it, and didn't even test drive other vehicles before making my H6 order.

Whatever you decide, enjoy it.
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Old 05-19-2006, 10:22 PM   #9
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My 2001 has 160,000 purrrs at 80mph+ without relizing it. @3000 mi oil change never used more then 1/2 qt, and thats when pushed a few times (witch is hard to do)change oil and service its bullit proof.
Only complaint power band below 3400rpm in 3rd or 4th is not very good, knock it down to get r's over 3400 and it catches most anything out there (stock anyway)
No rattles no quirks always starts and goes through mud and snow effortlessly
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Old 05-19-2006, 10:23 PM   #10
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O'yea gets pretty good MPG also, even driven hards not bad.
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