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Old 05-09-2003, 12:10 AM   #1
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hello people. well my project has definately been a rollercoaster ride. basically right now i am waiting for the motor to be assembled. it was supposed to be installed a few weeks ago but i have been running into some problems. some of them being many parts missing. i had to order new cam bearing shoulder bolts. there are i think 16 of them and they are around $5 each. that sucked. then i ran into a problem where my vavles were tipped incorrectly so 8 of my valves were too long and the smallest shims would not fit. so they had to send the heads out for a week and get that crap done. also it has taken long because they have to fit my engine assembly in with all of their other stuff. so from what i understand the motor will be completely assembled and ready for install monday afternoon.

i will be breaking the motor in for 2000 miles. i am using the stock, turbo, stock ecu, stock injectors, blitz front mount, gt spec turbo manifold and up pipe, and my custom downpipe and exhaust. i will be changing the oil every 250 miles for the first 1000 and then every 500 miles until 2000. then every 2000-2500 miles after. i will never be using synthetic oil and i will be using 20-50 weight oil.

once i have 2000 miles i will be dynoing the motor to see what it will put out with the header, exhaust, stock boost, and the added displacement. then i will remap the ecu and see how that does. from that point i will drive the car around for a while to see how it drives.

then i will be using a garrett 500 hp bolt on turbo i am testing for SPI Motorsports. i will then switch my injectors to the 800 cc's, swap turbos, and either remap the ecu or use my autronic ecu. maybe both. i will see how that goes for a while then onto the next turbo.

the last turbo i am using will be a turbonetics p trim ball bearing t-66. i will custom fabricate an up-pipe and downpipe and adapt my tial 40 mm wastegate. i will test my motor and push it to the limits to see its capabilites. once the car is dialed in i will take it to the track and see if i can pull off some 10's.

as soon as i put the garrett turbo on i will be switching transmissions to the sti 6 speed. i will be using that tranny as long as i can until i breaks. if and when it breaks i will be putting a huge 5 speed gearset made for the 6 speed case in it.

i will document everything on the car and also dyno every single modification that i can.

once again here is my set up:
ej22, sleeved, bored, stroked to 2.5 liters
fully ported and polished heads
800 cc injectors, sti tgv housings, and all of the other bolt-ons.
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:17 AM   #2
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Hahah, jk Stealth. Sounds awesome actually. Why not go straight to the dogbox?

What about the sand dunes? I thought you had plans to do some of that? If you do, sometime cruise up to Pismo Dunes outside of San Luis Obispo! I have a seen a WRX's turn heads out there - But nothing like yours would.

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Old 05-09-2003, 12:19 AM   #3
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i will fit dunes it with everything. i just didnt want to post it as everyone thinks if you sand dune your motor will just automatically blow up.
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:41 AM   #4
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i will never be using synthetic oil and i will be using 20-50 weight oil.
why?
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:52 AM   #5
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Stealth come to Starbucks so I can steal your motor
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:00 AM   #6
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if and when it breaks i will be putting a huge 5 speed gearset made for the 6 speed case in it.


Details?

Thanks,

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Old 05-09-2003, 01:21 AM   #7
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how much did all of that cost you.
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Old 05-09-2003, 02:47 AM   #8
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stealth make sure you email me when youre ready to do the install!
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Old 05-09-2003, 09:43 AM   #9
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i think everything cost about $20-25k. thats including everything though, like seats, stereo and that kind of stuff. i will notify everyone when the motor install is.
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Old 05-09-2003, 10:40 AM   #10
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seriously. Changing your oil that much is throwing money and time away. Start reading some of the oil forums in your spare time Nick. I learned that one of the best oils you can buy is Redline. I also learned that what I have been running might not be the best oil... Royal purple. These guys test the oils before and after a run and compare the outcome. I talked with an engineer at Redline about what weight oil to run in my type RA engine. I was told to run 10/40. He said 5w will shear at my high rpm (8650) and 20w is much to thick for my Ceramic BB turbo and 20w is way to thick for the tight tolorance subaru engine... If your motor is setup on the loose side then go for it.

He then told me that if I change my oil faster then 10,000 miles, I would be wasting my money. Even with road racing and nitrous use. He said the most important thing is to get a good filter like the Canton mecca. I have been using that for over a year.

Food for thought.

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Old 05-09-2003, 11:07 AM   #11
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stealth-have you installed your autronic ecu at all yet and done any tuning? i am getting one for my legacy and was wondering what you thought of its function, do you like it? also does yours come with the 'autotune' feature and if so have you used it at all and how did it end up doing, i am skeptical of it so i was just wondering if it actually works. thanks.

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Old 05-09-2003, 11:36 AM   #12
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the point of changing my oil very often when i break it in is because there are many metal particles when you break a motor in. especially when its all aftermarket components. i will send you a sample of my oil after 250 miles and 500 miles so you can anaylize it. put a magnet next to it. there will be alot, and those are only the ferrous metals. there will be a ton of aluminum in there. better safe than sorry.
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Old 05-09-2003, 02:36 PM   #13
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Nick- count me in for the install, just let me know when its going down!
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Old 05-09-2003, 04:51 PM   #14
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the point of changing my oil very often when i break it in is because there are many metal particles when you break a motor in. especially when its all aftermarket components. i will send you a sample of my oil after 250 miles and 500 miles so you can anaylize it. put a magnet next to it. there will be alot, and those are only the ferrous metals. there will be a ton of aluminum in there. better safe than sorry.

And if you use the metal can type oil filter then this metal is being pushed around the motor like a street corner pimp pushes his hoes.

All metal can type filters bypass the oil past the oil filter about 70% of the time in the WRX. Get a canton mecca 8 micron full flow filter and none of this metal will go through the motor, you will never bypass and it adds capacity.

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Old 05-09-2003, 05:41 PM   #15
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where can i get that filter?
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where can i get that filter?
http://www.cmfilters.com/
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the part # on the web page is not the one for the filter, they changed the design.. its billet and blue .. the new part # is 25-282 and its $95.. you will probably want to order some spare elements (26-000) and seal kits (26-852)..
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http://www.cmfilters.com/
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203-481-9460

the part # on the web page is not the one for the filter, they changed the design.. its billet and blue .. the new part # is 25-282 and its $95.. you will probably want to order some spare elements (26-000) and seal kits (26-852)..
--bobby
Yep. Probably one of the best things you can do to a hard working EJ motor. My US motor had a lifter tick from day one. The minute I installed that CM filter it was silent and never came back. The 8 micron elements last at least 10k miles. What I am doing now is this:

New element and new seal kit with new Synth oil.

Change oil at 5k-7k miles by using my oil pump from Griots garage. It pulls the oil out the dipstick tube in 10 minutes with no mess. Put new oil in.

Another 5k-7k miles I change the element and add in new oil.

Third time around I change the element and seals. I noticed the rubber anti drain back seal gets hard after 15k miles.

Now that I am switching to Redline 10/40 I am going to go longer on my drains depending on the use of the car. Nitrous and big boost or road racing and I will probably change it at 5k. Easy miles I am going 10k.

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Old 05-10-2003, 02:27 AM   #18
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AZScoobie:

Whomever told you not to run 5w in your RA motor was totally wrong, in fact very wrong. There is nothing wrong with using thicker oil in your engine but Prodrive uses 5w 40 Motul 300V in all Group N engines Stage 1 and Stage 2 which are derived from the RA motor so I think they know there stuff.
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Whomever told you not to run 5w in your RA motor was totally wrong, in fact very wrong. There is nothing wrong with using thicker oil in your engine but Prodrive uses 5w 40 Motul 300V in all Group N engines Stage 1 and Stage 2 which are derived from the RA motor so I think they know there stuff.
I am sure it would be ok to run 5w but when I talked on the phone to a redline engineer about what Redline oil to use in this RA motor he told me to run the 10w oil and not the 5w as I am spinning nearly 9k rpms. I am sure either one would be fine.

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Old 05-12-2003, 01:42 AM   #21
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all subarus use the same oil filter correct? the EJ25, EJ20s and EJ22? because I went to the CM filters homepage and they only give one part number. Just making sure, but beleive they are all the same.
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all subarus use the same oil filter correct? the EJ25, EJ20s and EJ22? because I went to the CM filters homepage and they only give one part number. Just making sure, but beleive they are all the same.
Yep. Get the short one. The long one is probably to long.

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Thanks for the info on the CM filters. I think I'm finally going to go buy one. It'll gone in with my EJ20

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Thanks for the info on the CM filters. I think I'm finally going to go buy one. It'll gone in with my EJ20

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A local just installed a CM on his WRX. He came by to tell me that he can hear and feel the difference after he installed it. He said the motor is smoother and makes less noise.. Great product.

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A local just installed a CM on his WRX. He came by to tell me that he can hear and feel the difference after he installed it. He said the motor is smoother and makes less noise.. Great product.

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better be great for costing that much...
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