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Old 07-19-2003, 05:17 AM   #76
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Old 07-22-2003, 12:05 AM   #77
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I need your help! Someone please tell me what kind of struts these are. I thought they were off of a wagon because of the paint code on the springs and I was told they were off of a GDB but the model numbers do not match. Any input?

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Old 07-22-2003, 12:16 AM   #78
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I'm still super confused on this subject. I've read all of the threads dealing with STi takeoffs and couldn't figure out which setup I have.



Also, I should say that I have about 1.5 finger gap in the rear and 2.5 finger gap in the front. I know some people with other takeoffs that have a slightly higher rideheight.
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Old 07-22-2003, 01:08 AM   #79
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I'm still super confused on this subject. I've read all of the threads dealing with STi takeoffs and couldn't figure out which setup I have.



what are the etched serial #s on the struts say?
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Old 07-22-2003, 10:39 AM   #80
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I need your help! Someone please tell me what kind of struts these are. I thought they were off of a wagon because of the paint code on the springs and I was told they were off of a GDB but the model numbers do not match. Any input?

http://members.aol.com/drakenman/WagonStruts/
OK nekard you first.

Those struts are off of an 02 WRX NB-R sedan with an automatic transmission.

The NB-Rs came with the inverted struts along with some other goodies like STi(non-Brembo) 4/2 pots.

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Old 07-22-2003, 10:55 AM   #81
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I just picked up some suspected v4 or v5 units. i haven't seen anyone address the part numbers yet, and these are the numbers
small struts
HC23 & HC26
20311FA900 20311FA910

large struts

HC26 & HC26
20360FA900 20360FA910

spring were black, with pinks dots on 2 consecutive loops.

anyone with other info?
The Ver4s are black non-inverted struts similar in appearance to the stock WRX struts. The Ver5s and up are red and inverted.

Those numbers I believe are going to be from a MY99 Ver 5 GC8 or GF8 STi. I dont know what the spring paint codes are for that year. The springs are going to be the deciding factor on the source vehicle.

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Old 07-22-2003, 11:00 AM   #82
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I'm still super confused on this subject. I've read all of the threads dealing with STi takeoffs and couldn't figure out which setup I have.



Also, I should say that I have about 1.5 finger gap in the rear and 2.5 finger gap in the front. I know some people with other takeoffs that have a slightly higher rideheight.
Yungimoto, we do not have a complete list of the 03+ part numbers - yet.

Based on this pic, these are most likely 03+ struts and using a process of elimination on the paint codes, I am about 90% certain these are 03 STi spec C strut assemblies.

As boxologist asked, could you please post the part numbers on the strut bodies please? They will be on the white bar code label and stamped into the strut body itself.

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Old 07-22-2003, 11:39 AM   #83
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I emailed you but I might as well make a post too. Thanks for the quick reply. Do you have some kind of database with all the strut model numbers and such or where do you get your information? Are you positive they are for a sedan and not a wagon even thought the paint codes on the springs are specific for a wagon as far the STi suspensions go? Does the Yellow, Orange, and Red spring just provide a smoother ride than the STi setups or a harsher ride? Just trying to understand the exact difference between these and an STi setup and make SURE that these do not fit a wagon.
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Old 07-22-2003, 12:30 PM   #84
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I emailed you but I might as well make a post too. Thanks for the quick reply. Do you have some kind of database with all the strut model numbers and such or where do you get your information? Are you positive they are for a sedan and not a wagon even thought the paint codes on the springs are specific for a wagon as far the STi suspensions go? Does the Yellow, Orange, and Red spring just provide a smoother ride than the STi setups or a harsher ride? Just trying to understand the exact difference between these and an STi setup and make SURE that these do not fit a wagon.
Nekard I should have clarified something with my response. Ready to have your noodle melted? The WRX NB-R sedan uses STi wagon springs.

JDM 01-02 STi wagon spring PNs
Front 20330FE130
Rear 20380FE680

02 WRX NB-R GDAB4HT (automatic)
Front Spring 20330FE130
Front Strut Left 20310FE350
Front Strut Right 20310FE340
Rear Spring 20380FE680
Rear Strut Left 20360FE350
Rear Strut Right 20360FE340
[GDAB4HD = 02 WRX NB-R w/ manual tranny]



Sorry for the confusion, but thank Subaru for their part. The strut PNs you gave are what points to that specific vehicle. Those are the part numbers from the site you linked correct?

If those PNs are correct, you do have STi wagon springs(as they are identical) but those are NB-R struts. The setup, if its intact, came off the NB-R auto.

To answer your question about where I get the info, its from various board members here and from vendors like Rallispec. I usually only post it if I am sure its correct or from a reputable source or I have verified it personally. There is a post above with a lot of info from Rallispec for instance.

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edit: Bounced you back an e-mail as well.

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Old 07-22-2003, 02:25 PM   #85
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Thanks so much! This is helping a ton. Is there anyway you would host the spreadsheet or word document where all this info is kept, so people like me can access it whenever it is need or I am wrong about where your info is kept?
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Old 07-22-2003, 07:21 PM   #86
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Thanks so much! This is helping a ton. Is there anyway you would host the spreadsheet or word document where all this info is kept, so people like me can access it whenever it is need or I am wrong about where your info is kept?
How about I direct you to a very helpful thread?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=341864

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Old 07-22-2003, 09:13 PM   #87
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Thanks! So when installing the struts from the WRX Sedan NB (right?) what problems would one run into it they were going on a wagon?
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Old 07-22-2003, 09:45 PM   #88
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I'd assume you'd have the same issues I have with STi sedan struts on my wagon. Namely not much negative camber. Unless these struts have a different geometry than the regular sedan ones which seems doubtful.
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Old 07-22-2003, 10:22 PM   #89
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What did you do about the camber? Bolts?
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:09 AM   #90
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I'm running the Noltec Caster/camber plates in the front and no adjustments in the rear. This gets the difference between front and rear about where I want but the values are lower than what I'd like. I may modify the top Noltec plates for some more camber and put camber bolts in the rear at some point but I'm cheap and don't want to pay for another alignment so I'm waiting on this.
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:24 AM   #91
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But there was a noticeable difference between stock wagon suspension and then the sedan STi suspension, right?
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:32 PM   #92
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Yes, definitely a noticeable difference. Less body roll (more than I'd like though), much less floaty, faster reacting to transitions, a good deal stiffer, and much more settled feeling. The ride can be a bit stiff over sharp bumps but if you speed up it smooths out. Rough dirt roads are much more comfortable as you increase speed. If I had the option of getting the sedan or wagon suspension and the wagon wasn't much more I'd get it just to alleviate camber issues but I haven't seen the wagon stuff for even close to as little as I paid for the sedan stuff.
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Old 07-23-2003, 02:40 PM   #93
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I will pass on the information. Thanks again for everything.
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Old 07-24-2003, 01:41 PM   #94
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ok, i just got these here... I was told they are JDM Version8 STi assemblys...


--RR Strut
20360FE840
FD61
TG RH
2 green dots on taperd spring
--RR Top Hat
New style
Purple dot

--RL Strut
20360FE850
FD62
TG LH
2 green dots on taperd spring
--RL Top Hat
New style
Purple dot

--FR Strut
20310FE300
FD11
SK RH
2 Purple dots on springs
--FR Top Hat
White dot
# 0090X
3F-7038 1-1

--FL Strut
20310FE310
FD12
SK LH
2 Purple dots on spring
--FL Top Hat
White dot
# 3F-0090X 3F 7038 2-1
*Note( the markings in the rubber were "off" or otherwise lined up in a row as i typed them here. The FR top hat had the 0090X line "stamped or cast" above the 3F- line in very neat fashion as if thats how it was ment to be...) even though the castings seem to be off they also seem to be a matched pair according to PN's*








Thanks for all the inadvertant help and info SS!!
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Wow, so much information to get confused with...

I want to eventually do suspension on my WRX, and don't really know which way to go. I've heard so many good things about the STi suspensions, but they always seem so pricey.

Seems I could get STi struts (red non-adj) with hardened top hats & STi lowering springs for about $1800. This seems like a heck of a lot for a standard spring/strut combo.

I could lose the STi top hats and lowering springs for "standard" ones for $1200, which is a lot less, but I'm woried about bouncing on the soft stock top hats, and I really would like a small drop too, and this won't do that I guess.

Then there's the Konis or KYB options, with tuner springs, which would probably be under $1K total, but I'm worried about the "piecemeal" aspect of doing this as one of the praises the STi sets usually get is how perfectly everything seems to work together.

I guess that leaves me looking at STi takeoffs; given the information above:
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MY02 GDB STi RA Spec C (rev. B) front spring rate (part #20330FE340) -- 40.0 N/mm (228 lb/in) .... 10mm lower
MY02 GDB STi RA spec C (rev. B) rear spring rate (part #20380FE790) -- ?? (sorry can't find this at the moment).... 10mm lower
Those are probably what I would like to get, as complete units along w/ the struts and top-hats. But, I have no idea who to go to to try to get this actual setup. And how much should I expect to pay for take-offs?

I guess I could just go for "regular" STi take-offs and add the STi lowering springs at some point, but I'm wondering if the RA Spec C shocks are valved more stiffly for the dropped height, which would be another reason I'd specifically want them over some random v7 take-offs.

I must admit I haven't been paying super close attention to the classifieds, but I hardly ever see take-offs up anymore, and when I do they're just listed as "STi take-offs" maybe a version number if I'm lucky. If I want to make sure I'm getting parts off an 02 RA Spec C rev. B car, how do I do it; can I even get them at all given that we're now into v8 cars? What's the usual source for these things? Ebay? Personal contact?

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i got mine from nino. might want to call him or rallispec see if they have any takeoffs laying around that arent advertised. got mine for 1000 including hardeded mounts
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Gruppe-s often has takeoffs for $750. Struts, springs, and mounts. But as explained in one of these threads the STi mounts aren't harder than the WRX ones. The STi group-n mounts are harder but that will increase your costs. Still a great deal if you ask me though. Also the Spec C's have stiffer springs but aren't any lower than the regular STi and the struts are the same. Getting a set of takeoffs that are from a Spec C might be harder and if you're going to put the lowering springs on eventually then its probably not worth the effort.
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Well, maybe I'll do things in stages then, since it would be easier for me to save up that way anyhow.

Buy the take-offs first, and just run them for a while, then upgrade to the GrpN topmounts and STi lowering springs at the same time later.

Yeah, I've seen Gruppe-S selling the takeoffs before, but not so much recently. Of course, I may have just missed the threads. It's not like I have the money in hand to buy anyway, I'll probably be waiting a while before I'm able to buy.
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I NEED HELP GUYS...

I just bought a set of "STi springs" and I don't know if they are really STi or stock WRX or some other models. They didn't come in plastic bags as they are used.

Front - pink on first round of coil and purple & green on the second round of coil (pink, purple/green)
Rear - from the top where the sleeve is, third coil has orange paint and the fourth has yellow (orange, yellow)

Anyone can help that will be great.
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I NEED HELP GUYS...

I just bought a set of "STi springs" and I don't know if they are really STi or stock WRX or some other models. They didn't come in plastic bags as they are used.

Front - pink on first round of coil and purple & green on the second round of coil (pink, purple/green)
Rear - from the top where the sleeve is, third coil has orange paint and the fourth has yellow (orange, yellow)

Anyone can help that will be great.

you have GDB(a) STi RA

"Right Front strut - 20310FE000
Left Front strut - 20310FE010
Right Rear strut - 20360FE000
Left Rear strut - 20360FE010
Front spring - 20330FE330 [pink above, purple and green below]
Rear spring - 20380FE690 [yellow above, orange and green below][non-tapered, gray insulators at the bottom]"

Thank subysouth!
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