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Old 05-25-2003, 03:22 PM   #1
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Howdy,

A couple us Montana guys (I think there is only a couple of us) would like to hit a track day (two would be even better) and Colorado looks to be our closest opportunity. We are Solo II competitors, but no track experience- we would definitly want/need some instruction.

Any ideas when/where/how?

Are their private "schools" where a couple of days of track time would be possible? It would be nice to get two days for the drive we need to make.

Open to any suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 05-25-2003, 04:30 PM   #2
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Take a trip to spokane. They regularly have race days on the track there. A group of friends and myself want to rent it out for the day sometime and tear it up.
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Old 05-25-2003, 09:06 PM   #3
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Brent,

Any idea the name of the track in Spokane?

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Old 05-25-2003, 09:20 PM   #4
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http://www.spokaneracewaypark.com/

Just found it Mike.

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Old 05-26-2003, 12:50 AM   #5
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Hey Brent,

Have you been up there yet? If you wouldnt mind, please give us a short rundown on your experiences on the track.

Count me in on the full track rental idea.

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Old 05-26-2003, 03:11 PM   #6
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Personally i've never been there. I know the bmw people have track days there all the time not to mention countless driving schools. There isn't anything set in stone just yet for renting it out. I think we may try to do something this summer at some point as most of my friends have some type of motor swap in their car and itching to try it out.
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Old 05-26-2003, 04:47 PM   #7
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I sent an email to the BMW folks, I'll see what they've got to say.

I like the idea of a full out rental!

Anybody from CO? I think Denver is closer than Spokane (will get atlas out to check).

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Old 05-26-2003, 07:04 PM   #8
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I'd consider joining you for a day around here if it's affordable. I'd need some instruction though, first time in a car on a roadcourse.. I'd have to run on RE92s too
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Old 05-26-2003, 08:34 PM   #9
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I think it would be great to get a bunch of rex's together for a track day (or two!). I would need instruction as well (but I won't be on 92's ).

Colorado track guys- any chance of getting something like this setup- instruction/track day(s)s? Do you think SOA or a big dealership might even consider co-sponsoring an event?

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Old 05-26-2003, 11:24 PM   #10
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The track most of the locals tear up here in Denver is "Second Creek". I've never been there myself but it should be a good start as far as where to look/who to call. I don't know what the website is but there was a thread here a month or so ago about it. Happy hunting.

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Old 05-27-2003, 05:57 AM   #11
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2nd Creek Web Site

SCCA Rocky Mountain Region is having Solo Trials June 14 & 15. I'm not sure if it's only $25/$35 to enter or $70 like last year since they no longer require the Trials license. Here is the full schedule. Notice there are 2 more Solo trials, in Sept. and Nov., but in June, they are back to back Sat. & Sun! Also notice that you have to pre-register online, not at the event.

You can also run Tues-Thurs test and tune sessions for $60. The first session is from 9am-1pm, second is 1-5.
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Old 05-28-2003, 12:35 AM   #12
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BIGSKY -

We don't really need SOA, or other organization to sponsor an event; it tends to just add more unnecessary politics and make things cumbersome. We've tried anyways, and no one wants to take on the responsibility. (Excluding the SCCA events of course.)

Usually, we just all plan on meeting up there on the same day, and I can talk to the guy who runs the place, and he'll give us a group rate ($50-55 vs. 60). Plus, he'll usually let our "half" day extend to much longer than that.

If you gave us enough notice prior to your arrival (and also picked a convenient day for everyone), we could definitely muster up a nice sized Subaru gathering. I could personally show you the track in my car if you'd like, and walk you around the course. Additionally, I could probably convince some of the best Second Creek Subaru drivers to show up, including the Subaru with the fastest Second Creek time.

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Old 05-28-2003, 01:35 AM   #13
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xephyr --I am gonna jump in here and thank you for your help, Thanks Mark. {BIGSKY (Mike) hasnt seen your post yet}.

Mike and I, and hopefully some other Montana folk can take you good Cololrado folk up on your hospitality sometime this summer. I know that I for one cannot wait to get some track experience, and 2nd Creek looks like a great place to dive in.

I will start the plans to fake my own death so i can actually get away for a weekend of howling tires.

Thanks again,
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Old 05-28-2003, 05:34 AM   #14
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Yeah, you guys don't really need to pay for expensive instruction. Just ask for a ride with someone who has enough track experience to show you the correct line. Then take it conservatively at first and get as aggressive as you are comfortable with.
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Old 05-28-2003, 10:33 AM   #15
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Thanks guys. Rick and I are probably looking at August, possibly September.
A full weekend of road racing on Speed this weekend has put me over the edge. We'll give you plenty of lead time and maybe we can get a good turnout of Suby's (including the second fastest track time ). I love running the cones, but I have no doubt that this experience will pale anything I've experienced.

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Let me know what day you guys are going to go to the creek. I'll try and make it out and thrash a set of tires with you guys.
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Old 05-28-2003, 03:56 PM   #17
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Great! Would make for some good pic/video opportunities w/ a bunch Sube's lapping.

Can't wait.

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Old 05-29-2003, 02:31 AM   #18
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Speaking of Video, anyone have any in-car video of a lap or two of this track?

I need to study it to get the zen master thing going in my head.

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Old 05-29-2003, 03:15 PM   #19
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a quick note about your first track day.

1) you need to instal some racing brake pads. Hawk blue pads are pretty cheap and work well. as a bounus, you can use them on the street because they work well when cold. Almost everyone in spec miata racing uses these.

2) you should upgrade your brake fluid to a good DOT 4. again, a common fluid in racing is penzoil synpower synthetic. you can get it at many auto parts stores instead of having to special order it. there are better fluids, but this one is readily available, and seems to perform quite well.

3) talk to some other subie ppl about the potental for overheating. a radiator flush may be good insurance. other options include a cooler thermostat, removing the thermostat for the track day, or a radiator cap with a higher pressure rating. Im not sure how important these things are, but they are good to at least consider.

4) you will need a helmet to drive the track.

5) make sure your tire pressure is high, and check it after a few laps. the heat from driving on a track causes tire pressure to be elevated a good deal. for track driving, find a good "hot" pressure, and stick to that, instead of just trusting the "cold tire pressure"

thats about all i can think of. i too would be interested in showing up for the day these guys come to second creek, or any other subie track day. unfortunately, my subie doesn't get to strech its legs on the track anymore since i have dedicated car for it now.

oh, one more comment. get your track days in at second creek, because at the end of 2004 we are losing that track. hopefully by then a new one can be ready and still be relatively close to denver.
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at the end of 2004 we are losing that track.
Please expand on this. This is news to me!
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Please expand on this. This is news to me!
If you read all the Redline Express mail that some SCCA local member get, there is a post of the cost to build a new track vs remodeling the existing SCR. SCR is under use of a recreational permit that expires at the end of 2004. Have you seen all the new homes that are surrounding the west side of SCR? Some people actually want to live out by DIA. (don't take this personal)

The area around SCR is zoned for homes, not a PPIR style of living. The big problems for the board members of SCR is the cost of land dedicated for racing use only & close enough to Denver for locals to make the trip without needing a gas station at the site. BTW: the board members own the track. Each has a percentage of ownership. I just hope the board members look at the long term for payback, not the typical 3 to 5 years return. Or we (track drivers) get the large entry fee increase to cover the costs. If I remember correctly, the remodel would cost 100k & a new site/track 5mil plus.
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If you read all the Redline Express mail that some SCCA local member get, there is a post of the cost to build a new track vs remodeling the existing SCR.
from conversations with local racers, and danny collins, i believe that remodeling the track is out of the question at this point. when the lease is up, it will not be renewed because of the zoning issue. The local SCCA is working on procuring a new site, but the location is essentialy being kept quiet, lest locals learn of it, and raise the price of the prospective land, or stage a protest of some sort.

the good news is we have 2 summers left at SCR, and we still have PPIR, La Junta, and Pueblo at our disposal. also, the new tracks in topeka and arroyo seco are supposed to be nice, but quite a drive a way. also, maybe the new site will have some abilities to put on rallyx and solo 2 as well, but i know the plan is a track for club racers and testing, so as not to compete with any larger venues like PPIR.
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Hey Montana (and northwest folks), PM me with good places to visit up there and in Idaho, Washington, Oregon, and Alberta. The northwest is one of the regions of this country I've never visited (except Jackson Hole & Grand Targee in winter), and have always wanted to make a road trip through Yellowstone, Glacier NP, Banf, Cascades, Pacific Crest Trail, etc. This summer may be the time to do it. (I suppose I should post this in the NW forum too...).
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Old 05-30-2003, 11:41 PM   #24
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Yellowstone and Glacier are both must see's sometime. I would avoid June, July, August. May, Sep, Oct are very nice and uncrowded. Lot's of wildlife and pretty scenery, Yellowstone also has some funky geothermal sites.

I haven't seen to much of Oregon/WA, but hope to make the Oregon rally and do a little site seeing before/after.

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Old 06-06-2003, 10:16 PM   #25
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I've got to start reading the Redline Newsletter. Usually it's full of ramblings about car classifications, rule changes, and stuff.

If you haven't followed the other thread on 2nd Creek, here is their official web site with video and maps. On the Aerial View, you can actually see the proper apex lines by the darker areas. In the Lap Video, you can see the double apex of the boot, something I never realized or could get quite right before.
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