my swap progress - Page 3

Jaxx · 03-12-2007, 08:50 AM

because the standalone made for good power but crappy transportation .. i coundn't drive it to work it was also half as old 4/1990 vs 5/1997

i wanted a stock ecu for cold starts

plus it came with a 4.44 (old tranny has 167k miles on it

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civic2scooby · 03-12-2007, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxx

because the standalone made for good power but crappy transportation .. i coundn't drive it to work it was also half as old 4/1990 vs 5/1997

i wanted a stock ecu for cold starts

plus it came with a 4.44 (old tranny has 167k miles on it

is standalone that much of a pain in the ass?

Jaxx · 03-12-2007, 12:55 PM

yup 1234

cold start temp correction sucks i played for a long time
no IAC was the big proublem

my engine had a 30% change in compression cold to hot

Jaxx · 03-16-2007, 08:09 PM

cleaning

painted engine bay, hydro conversion, gda throttle cable

mxpunk · 03-16-2007, 08:37 PM

Looks like quite the project you've got going there!

I'm not trying to be rude or sound like a jackass but whats the big deal with the JDM stuff? Is all the trouble to get it working right worth it?

civic2scooby · 03-16-2007, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxpunk

Looks like quite the project you've got going there!

I'm not trying to be rude or sound like a jackass but whats the big deal with the JDM stuff? Is all the trouble to get it working right worth it?

yes it is very much worth it.

Jaxx · 03-17-2007, 05:56 PM

maybe .. the transmission is .. the 20k vs a 205 .. maybe not

jamesfacts · 03-18-2007, 12:09 PM

You need a new camera.

Matt Monson · 03-19-2007, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxx

maybe .. the transmission is .. the 20k vs a 205 .. maybe not

You joking, right? The 20K is far superior to the 205 if you compare engine to engine. The 205 heads are really just old Ej20G parts with a newer camshaft design. And just the fact that the EJ20K is 280ps out of the box with plenty of room still left on the turbo is worth the price of admission (especially when it was half of current market on an Ej205 swap!). I literally watched and waited for more than 2 years to grab my Ej20K...

mxpunk,
Maybe you don't get it, but a JDM swap is no more and no less work than a USDM swap. There are little differences to what's required to make them work, but I fail to see how you have got it into your head that a JDM swap is MORE work...

kheff46 · 03-20-2007, 10:02 AM

Edit!!

Matt Monson · 03-20-2007, 10:58 AM

pm me and we'll chat without sidetracking Jared's thread...

Jaxx · 03-22-2007, 10:33 PM

hmm so i thought that Subarus never had separate engine harnesses ....
not so

4 more wires to label need to pick up some more heat shrink

Jaxx · 03-23-2007, 08:08 PM

harness done!

mxpunk · 03-23-2007, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

mxpunk,
Maybe you don't get it, but a JDM swap is no more and no less work than a USDM swap. There are little differences to what's required to make them work, but I fail to see how you have got it into your head that a JDM swap is MORE work...

Well..I would think JDM swap is easier on a pre OBD-II vehicle but from what I understand OBD-II and JDM stuff is tricky, which is why I think that the JDM swap stuff is more of a hassle then doing a regular USDM one..

I guess the idea of dealing with emissions makes me think doing a JDM conversion is not worth it..but if im wrong (probably am) please tell me..im always willing to learn

poormansporsche · 03-23-2007, 09:12 PM

The EJ20k is way cooler than a 205. I own both now. While the EJ20k isn't running yet I already know it's going to beat the pants off my swapped RS with a EJ205. As stated above the heads are way better. The short block is similar to the 205 but in my case it's an STI and is forged internally and the STI v3 and v4 have some of the hottest cams from the factory. It's no joke.

Jaxx wassup with the GDA throttle cable? Is this a requirement. i was going to use the EJ18 cable will it not fit?

cheers

garrett

Jaxx · 03-23-2007, 10:59 PM

dunno the throttle is in the same place as the 205.. i was under the impression it was needed for the 205 too

what have people been doing with the ej20k egt sensor? any one know what resistor to put in?

wish mine had been a STI mmmm 8000 rpm would fun

poormansporsche · 03-24-2007, 02:13 AM

How different are the heads between the STi 20k and the non STI 20k? I know the STI is rated for like 3 lb-ft more torque but thats about it. With a power fc you'd probably rev to 7.5k just fine. Also even with the STI motor and 7.9k rev limiter, its still a 7k rpm motor just has a higher ceiling to avoid hitting the wall.

Sounds like another surprise coming. Hopefully the EJ18 TC works. I don't want to buy anything else. I gots no money left he he.

cheers

garrett

jamesfacts · 03-24-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxx

dunno the throttle is in the same place as the 205.. i was under the impression it was needed for the 205 too

what have people been doing with the ej20k egt sensor? any one know what resistor to put in?

wish mine had been a STI mmmm 8000 rpm would fun

It's not really a requirement for either the 205 or the 20K, but it sure does fit a lot better.

Jaxx · 03-25-2007, 09:59 AM

any one know the resistance for the egt sensor for an ej20k?

kheff46 · 03-25-2007, 10:34 AM

i can rev past 8k with my SYMS ECU(V4 STi). and let me tell you, it feels like its at 3,4,5K RPM. it's silly fast, and makes boost from 2K on.

i could've used my L cable or the STi one. same length etc. STi just came from opposite side, but same length fwiw.

i will findout resistance later tonight JAXX

--keith

GripGC8 · 03-25-2007, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxx

harness done!

damn..nice...you wanna do mine?

Jaxx · 03-25-2007, 11:19 PM

sure how about $1500

Jaxx · 03-26-2007, 01:40 PM

a list just for list sake things to do as of 3-26

get left front wheel bearing fixed done $185

bleed MC-done
buy/change spark plugs -using copper bkr7e at .30 (will change to the sock once its running smoothly)
find ej20k plug wires? -done-magencores
install left front hub -done

install firm bushings in to 01 rear subframe - can't find them

move over lat links to 01 subframe-done
install rear subframe-done
move over flange to 4.44-unnneed
fill rear dif -done
install rear diff -done
install spiffy external braces x3-only 1
install rear axels/hubs-done

fix rear heat shield-done

test fit harness-done
decide if i want to run greddy fp/egt/boot sensors in harness-done not gonna
tape/cover harness-done
find way to secure RHD ecu to car -done

test fit power steering hoses-done
cut power hoses to length-done
take lines to work, press on fittings-done
install ps lines-done

recenter steering wheel-done
check peddle positions-done
plug holes to ac box-done
examine shift linkage-done
find 2002+ linkage? -done used 97 linkage which is the same as the RS
buy tranny bushings?[-done
crush washer for tranny? leaking? -done just loose

install engine-done
decide on 93 or 97 tranny mount-done 97
install front axles/tighten down hubs-done

figure out heater hoses-done
move over brake vacuum hose-done
install new radiator/hoses (new clamps?)-done
overflow? -bought in fender over flow
add coolant-done
add oil-done
add tranny fluid-done
reconnect SC/ground/reverse/nuteral/speed sensor
choose and install shift linkage[color="Red"]-done 97/COLOR]
install drive shaft/heat shield -half done
install exhaust
install IC
install starter (not sure which one)
install alturnator -done
clean air intake filter -sorta done want to clean it again
fab bracket to hold MAF

start?

reinstall seats /glove box

bleed brakes
change oil
get alignment

more later

Hurley 2.5 WRS · 03-26-2007, 07:08 PM

01 subframe

whats with that separate engine harness?? 93 thing?
havent been in this thread yet

jamesfacts · 03-26-2007, 10:36 PM

The 93-97 cars had seperate harnesses. Wierd.

03-12-2007, 12:55 PM	#53
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	yup 1234 cold start temp correction sucks i played for a long time no IAC was the big proublem my engine had a 30% change in compression cold to hot Last edited by Jaxx; 03-12-2007 at 01:05 PM.

03-20-2007, 10:02 AM	#60
kheff46 Scooby Specialist Member#: 66739 Join Date: Jul 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Medina, Ohio Vehicle: 2002 WRX wagon silver	Edit!! Last edited by kheff46; 03-20-2007 at 05:32 PM.

03-26-2007, 01:40 PM	#73
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	a list just for list sake things to do as of 3-26 get left front wheel bearing fixed done $185 bleed MC-done buy/change spark plugs -using copper bkr7e at .30 (will change to the sock once its running smoothly) find ej20k plug wires? -done-magencores install left front hub -done install firm bushings in to 01 rear subframe - can't find them move over lat links to 01 subframe-done install rear subframe-done move over flange to 4.44-unnneed fill rear dif -done install rear diff -done install spiffy external braces x3-only 1 install rear axels/hubs-done fix rear heat shield-done test fit harness-done decide if i want to run greddy fp/egt/boot sensors in harness-done not gonna tape/cover harness-done find way to secure RHD ecu to car -done test fit power steering hoses-done cut power hoses to length-done take lines to work, press on fittings-done install ps lines-done recenter steering wheel-done check peddle positions-done plug holes to ac box-done examine shift linkage-done find 2002+ linkage? -done used 97 linkage which is the same as the RS buy tranny bushings?[-done crush washer for tranny? leaking? -done just loose install engine-done decide on 93 or 97 tranny mount-done 97 install front axles/tighten down hubs-done figure out heater hoses-done move over brake vacuum hose-done install new radiator/hoses (new clamps?)-done overflow? -bought in fender over flow add coolant-done add oil-done add tranny fluid-done reconnect SC/ground/reverse/nuteral/speed sensor choose and install shift linkage[color="Red"]-done 97/COLOR] install drive shaft/heat shield -half done install exhaust install IC install starter (not sure which one) install alturnator -done clean air intake filter -sorta done want to clean it again fab bracket to hold MAF start? reinstall seats /glove box bleed brakes change oil get alignment more later Last edited by Jaxx; 04-13-2007 at 11:37 PM.

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03-12-2007, 08:50 AM	#51
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	because the standalone made for good power but crappy transportation .. i coundn't drive it to work it was also half as old 4/1990 vs 5/1997 i wanted a stock ecu for cold starts plus it came with a 4.44 (old tranny has 167k miles on it * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

03-16-2007, 08:09 PM	#54
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	cleaning painted engine bay, hydro conversion, gda throttle cable

03-16-2007, 08:37 PM	#55
mxpunk Scooby Specialist Member#: 132130 Join Date: Nov 2006 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: NJ/CA/TX Vehicle: 2002 Ford F-150 Graphite Gray	Looks like quite the project you've got going there! I'm not trying to be rude or sound like a jackass but whats the big deal with the JDM stuff? Is all the trouble to get it working right worth it?

03-17-2007, 05:56 PM	#57
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	maybe .. the transmission is .. the 20k vs a 205 .. maybe not

03-18-2007, 12:09 PM	#58
jamesfacts NASIOC Supporter Member#: 51282 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Brooklyn NYC / Danbury CT Vehicle: 98 RS black & blue from parking	You need a new camera.

03-20-2007, 10:58 AM	#61
Matt Monson Scooby Guru Member#: 832 Join Date: Jan 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Teh Ghetto Garage, CO Vehicle: 99 2.5RS, '85 911 '73 914 and 2012 BRZ	pm me and we'll chat without sidetracking Jared's thread...

03-22-2007, 10:33 PM	#62
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	hmm so i thought that Subarus never had separate engine harnesses .... not so 4 more wires to label need to pick up some more heat shrink

03-23-2007, 08:08 PM	#63
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	harness done!

03-23-2007, 09:12 PM	#65
poormansporsche Scooby Specialist Member#: 79798 Join Date: Jan 2005	The EJ20k is way cooler than a 205. I own both now. While the EJ20k isn't running yet I already know it's going to beat the pants off my swapped RS with a EJ205. As stated above the heads are way better. The short block is similar to the 205 but in my case it's an STI and is forged internally and the STI v3 and v4 have some of the hottest cams from the factory. It's no joke. Jaxx wassup with the GDA throttle cable? Is this a requirement. i was going to use the EJ18 cable will it not fit? cheers garrett

03-23-2007, 10:59 PM	#66
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	dunno the throttle is in the same place as the 205.. i was under the impression it was needed for the 205 too what have people been doing with the ej20k egt sensor? any one know what resistor to put in? wish mine had been a STI mmmm 8000 rpm would fun

03-24-2007, 02:13 AM	#67
poormansporsche Scooby Specialist Member#: 79798 Join Date: Jan 2005	How different are the heads between the STi 20k and the non STI 20k? I know the STI is rated for like 3 lb-ft more torque but thats about it. With a power fc you'd probably rev to 7.5k just fine. Also even with the STI motor and 7.9k rev limiter, its still a 7k rpm motor just has a higher ceiling to avoid hitting the wall. Sounds like another surprise coming. Hopefully the EJ18 TC works. I don't want to buy anything else. I gots no money left he he. cheers garrett

03-25-2007, 09:59 AM	#69
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	any one know the resistance for the egt sensor for an ej20k?

03-25-2007, 10:34 AM	#70
kheff46 Scooby Specialist Member#: 66739 Join Date: Jul 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Medina, Ohio Vehicle: 2002 WRX wagon silver	i can rev past 8k with my SYMS ECU(V4 STi). and let me tell you, it feels like its at 3,4,5K RPM. it's silly fast, and makes boost from 2K on. i could've used my L cable or the STi one. same length etc. STi just came from opposite side, but same length fwiw. i will findout resistance later tonight JAXX --keith

03-25-2007, 11:19 PM	#72
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	sure how about $1500

03-26-2007, 07:08 PM	#74
Hurley 2.5 WRS Scooby Specialist Member#: 43916 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Old Town Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 4.7 Blue Ridge Pearl	01 subframe whats with that separate engine harness?? 93 thing? havent been in this thread yet

03-26-2007, 10:36 PM	#75
jamesfacts NASIOC Supporter Member#: 51282 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Brooklyn NYC / Danbury CT Vehicle: 98 RS black & blue from parking	The 93-97 cars had seperate harnesses. Wierd.