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Old 05-28-2003, 09:41 PM   #1
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Default Ever Wonder how a Turbo Legacy GT would do against a Porche 944 Turbo?

Like the question says, ever wonder?

The day was at the Victoria Day Pro-Solo, held in one of the larger lots in Ontario, Canada. It was about 25 Degrees C, that's about 75 - 80, with a cool breeze. The car had already gone through a full set of qualifying runs, and this is in the finals.

I was grouped with all the Funky Turbo cars, including a Supercharged Miata and an S2000. The event was being held by the Mazda Sports Car Owners Group, and therefore, the courses were particularly designed for the short wheelbase cars. Nevertheless, it was a fantastic day, with lots of people and lots of competitors.

Only 4 classes were laid out for the Pro-Solo.
A - NA Cars under 2.0L FWD, RWD
B - Cars and NA Cars over 2.0 FWD / RWD / AWD
C - FI Cars, and all other muscle cars, FWD / RWD / AWD
D - Open Wheel Racers, high power to weight ratio cars.

I was in the C class.

Anyways, the video says it all.

944 Turbo VS MY00 Legacy GT-T

Missing a Holeshot between a Spec R1 WRX and my 00 Legacy GT-T

Muahahahaha!!
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Old 05-28-2003, 10:04 PM   #2
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w0w, nice drivin'!
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Old 05-28-2003, 10:25 PM   #3
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Nice work JoeT. Where'd the Porschie-poo go?

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Old 05-28-2003, 10:46 PM   #4
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Woo Hoo... I got to see it in person! Lots of fun!

It's too bad I couldn't stay for the later rounds Are the results posted anywhere?
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Old 05-28-2003, 11:11 PM   #5
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DUDE! you're crazy!

nice car, nice driving. you da man
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Old 05-28-2003, 11:20 PM   #6
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Nice driving. Nice vids. Your car sounds great, too.

But one thing bothers me about you post title- that 944 Turbo is what, 12-18 years older than your car? Try running a 15 year old Subaru against a 15 year old Porsche...

Having spent a bit of time behind the wheel of a 1986 944 Turbo, (in 1990, so it was still pretty new) it's amazing how their performance numbers still are quite strong compared to today's hot cars.

And it's truly remarkable that the guy who owns that thing still has it running so hard. Maintenance on those is crazy $$.

-Brian
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Old 05-29-2003, 12:30 AM   #7
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Thanks for your help with my answers JoeT, and wow your car is running great, why the smoke when you shift?
I know what I am looking at just for parts and no Labor for my MY00 and I am getting around $13,000 when it is said and done in parts, give it those are all some of the best parts you could get. You have to have an idea of what your into this so far, I have read in past posts saying “Don’t Ask”, but I have to know what your up to now.
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Old 05-29-2003, 01:13 AM   #8
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If I had to guess, I'd say he is running it pretty rich.
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Old 05-29-2003, 07:40 AM   #9
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Yea,

The car was getting heat soaked big time. The Pro Solo's are back to back non stop rounds without a cooldown. So the result was lots of heat being generated by the engine and not enough cooling air going over the intercooler.

The ecu started dumping fuel to compensate for the heat, and it did so between shifts, just after the BOV went off.

Better safe than sorry.

KD7000,

The title was never meant to upset anyone.
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Old 05-29-2003, 08:27 AM   #10
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very cool vid. Stock suspension? didn't look like it, but I was wondering.
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Old 05-29-2003, 08:31 AM   #11
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Old 05-29-2003, 08:34 AM   #12
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oh yea......

well congrats, man. You have a very cool set up there.
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Old 05-29-2003, 08:54 AM   #13
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your car is hella cool
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Old 05-29-2003, 12:33 PM   #14
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TIGHT!!!

that was awesome Joe, you took that porche no prob! its also a great display of driving skills when you kill a wrx even if you dont beat it off the line, great job!

why did you choose to go with the stock wheels at this event? and are those the RE92's as well?

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Old 05-29-2003, 12:35 PM   #15
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I'm using the stock rims for the Kumho V700's. My everyday wheels are the Dronnel D-Power's with Kumho MX's.

Hope this helps.
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Old 05-29-2003, 12:48 PM   #16
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i knew it wasnt just the everyday stockers for you joe

your car is awesome i hope i can achieve what you have, especially in the reliability aspect, cause it seems you run it pretty hard without worrying too much, i would love to be able to just drive it daily without worrying. thanks for all the help too

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Old 05-29-2003, 02:07 PM   #17
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Originally posted by JoeT
KD7000,
The title was never meant to upset anyone.
Don't worry, I'm not really upset.

Your post reminded me of one a while back, where someone (not in this forum) commented something like "Dude, the Dodge Neon beat that 944 on the autocross! Can you believe it!?!?"

I wanted to say, hey, buddy, that 944 (non-turbo) was made in 1985, and it still mostly kept up. With all of ~150hp, too. Perhaps with a fresh set of tires, it could've won. Of course a car that is 17 years newer can likely beat it, all other things being equal.

Anyway, nice drivin'

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Old 05-30-2003, 12:06 AM   #18
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As always, nice drivin' Joe!
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Old 05-30-2003, 01:03 AM   #19
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Suuweeeet!!! That is some cool driving Joe, I too love the sound of your car, very cool.
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:01 AM   #20
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Thumbs up Way cool

Can't wait to see the poject in person......

Were you serious about letting me take it for a spin? Muhahaha!
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:08 AM   #21
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Hey Erik,

I let lots of people drive the car already,"Yes", you can drive it when you are in town.

No problem.
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Old 05-30-2003, 11:51 AM   #22
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So what are the specs on your car? Do you have a turbo'ed 2.5 phase 2 engine or something like a wrx engine or 2.2 Legacy turbo engine? I'm very curious Also do you have any performance numbers for this car?

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Old 05-30-2003, 11:53 AM   #23
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Quote:
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So what are the specs on your car? Do you have a turbo'ed 2.5 phase 2 engine or something like a wrx engine or 2.2 Legacy turbo engine? I'm very curious Also do you have any performance numbers for this car?

Mark,
All your answers are in this thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=335174

Basically a 2.5T. A dyno chart is included for your pereusal.
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Old 06-05-2003, 07:03 AM   #24
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It's too bad you live so far away, Joe, I'd love to show you what a N/A Legacy can do. We doan need no stinking turbo, maing!

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Old 06-05-2003, 09:19 AM   #25
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Hey Pat,

I remember clearly what an NA Legacy can do. I had quite a successful campaign with my NA Legacy before I went the FI route.

Maxim Works Headers (NA)
JA Cams
Hi Flow Cat
2.25" Straight Through Exhaust (Brullen)
Custom Valve Work..

That was a lot of fun.

Hawaii, you lucky bum. If only you were closer... LOL
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