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Old 02-13-2003, 01:05 PM   #1
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Just checking to find how much interest there is in this. Will be available for both automatic and manual WRX's.

Specs are as follows:
US WRX spec as follows: -

Stock car measured at circa 160 WHP

Stage 1 (circa 180WHP)
intercooler pipe
rear muffler
ECU re-flash

Stage 2 (circa 200WHP)
intercooler pipe
rear muffler
catless centre section
ECU re-flash

Stage 3 (circa 228 WHP)
intercooler pipe
rear muffler
catless centre section
catless up-pipe
sport cat down-pipe
ECU re-flash


I can't give out pricing info. on here, however if there is interest or questions please PM me or e-mail me.

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Old 02-13-2003, 02:09 PM   #2
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Hey no fair - I emailed you on this this morning!!



Yes - I would be interested, and I'm trying to find out why it's still all "hush hush" -- it's been on the table, AFAIK, since mid December. Is it FOR REAL now?!

I think people want to know some more details on this - like why is there no 3rd cat, and yet the DP cat is high flow? How about the up-pipe - is it flex joint? Bung for EGT? ECUTek - do we get a new ECU and send the old one back, or do we have to take it somewhere to get it flashed, etc...

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Old 02-13-2003, 02:13 PM   #3
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PM'd ya. A couple of questions that I'm pretty sure you'll get alot, but shouldn't get anyone in trouble (if not, my bad):
-Are these set up like the Vishnu or TurboXS stages, such that once I buy into stage 1, stage 2 is cheaper?
-I've already got the Prodrive muffler, does that change the price as well? I could always sell the new muffler if not.

As a general point, I've been mighty impressed with the couple of Prodrive upgrades I have so far. I wouldn't have any problem at all buying one of these packs even if they were reasonably spendy.
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Old 02-13-2003, 02:26 PM   #4
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E-mailed you back.

There isn't anything hush hush per say. However, Nick won't allowing posting as this isn't an 'in stock' item. I am allowed to ask about interest and answer questions.

So... without further delay... on to the questions.

They do want to keep 1 cat. If you notice that most of the full turbo-back systems utilize one cat in the downpipe. It's safer from a legal point of view certainly. I will get more information on this though.

The up-pipe does have a flex joint in it. Hopefully I can get pictures of this soon. I'll e-mail England about it today. As for the EGT bung, do you mean an additional bung or just the standard one? It does have a place for the factory sensor, yes.

The ECU's will be done on a core basis. I am still working with Prodrive to determine if they want to buy several ECU's to speed the process up. I'm literally 10 minutes away from them and we're working very closely on this.

If you purchase stage 1 you will be able to upgrade to stage 2 by buying the additional parts and having the reflash done to stage 2 specs. Same to go from 1 to 3 or 2 to 3.

The muffler that is available as a stand alone is different than the power pack unit. The power pack has a round tip and the internals are different. It is engineered for power and not simply for sound quality.

Here is a small picture of the components (some) and I'll have a larger one soon.



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Old 02-13-2003, 02:41 PM   #5
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OK - so this is basically what I've been waiting for for several months now!! I really appreciate the info (read the email, and the site)

Understandable on the pricing - no problem. I think there might be a number of people who would be interested in this. After reading it, my questions were kinda dumb, so here goes (hopefully better)

1. What is the general time frame expected for these packs to arrive at our doorsteps? (Generally speaking, of course)

2. For the ECUTek solution, I believe it has the capability to "fix" the CEL for cat inefficiency (which will, most likely) happen with this setup - is this true for the Prodrive-tuned ECU, or does it come with some sort of CEL fix of some sort?

3. I believe the PPP's have been over seas for quite some time, amd had received rave reviews, so undoubtedly they've been working on a similiar solution for the US. But is there anybody around here (stateside), or around the forums who was a beta tester who could give "real world" experience with the product?

4. I guess I meant to say about the cats that the "typical" setup from other vendors is usually keeping the 3rd factory cat (or something similar) and removing the uppipe/downpipe cats instead. Obviously, Prodrive has their own unique solution, and I just wanted to make sure that wasn't a mis-print, when you mentioned the high-flow cat is located in the DP.

5. I imagine most people will want to see real pics of the entire "packs" (It appears the uppipe is not pictured) and some more pic's of the rear sillencer, as it's slightly different than the "other" prodrive muffler.

6. Does this kit come with EVERYTHING necessary? (Including gaskets, where applicable, all nuts and bolts, and washers, and etc...)

7. I think most people will want to see performance data, dyno plots, etc.... since, for some, that's what they base their buying decision off of. (of course, it's all just estimates and not necessarily a gaurantee of the performance from car-to-car, but it'd be nice to see what the claims are, and I'm willing to bet some people will "demand" to see it anyway.)

I basically said to myself that I am going to hold off on all engine mods until this "option" from Prodrive was released. However, I do not want to be a "beta tester" (obviously) so while I would love to get on the first batch coming over, I'd rather somebody else find any bugs first. (Or calm my fears by telling me that Prodrive has been testing this for months on a bunch of different cars in different climates, conditions, etc... and all my fears are unwarranted.)



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Old 02-13-2003, 02:50 PM   #6
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Edit: Hit reply by accident.

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Old 02-13-2003, 03:45 PM   #7
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1) Order was placed yesterday. Pack should be stateside in approx. 1month.

2) I've been in Prodrives car. No CEL.

3) I've driven the car, been in the car. What do you want to know exactly? The car is amazingly driveable. 3rd gear from 2000rpm feels amazingly lively, unlike the stock car. Much of the lag and hesitant characteristics of the stock vehicle are gone. Daily driving is like driving a standard model in the sense that it doesn't drive like a modified car (no problems, odd idle, etc.). Well mannered and a great, across the board performance increase. Super Street and another mag. have done a review. Be on the lookout.

4) The cat is indeed in the down-pipe. Similar to the MRT placement if I remember correctly. Though I'll have to look again to be sure.

5) Some pictures are available now on our site. www.spimotorsports.com

6) The kit will include EVERYTHING you need. Prodrive makes products of OEM standards. They won't leave anything out.

7) There are a couple magazine tests coming out. I'll see if I can get my hands on the information from them.

There is a car with miles and miles of hard, HARD driving on it. I'll get exact mileages and what not. They have waited to release it because they wanted to work bugs out BEFORE it was sold. The car has been from here to Portland and back in the worst rain we've had in a long time. Not one single problem.

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Old 02-13-2003, 05:36 PM   #8
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Cool info! I have a couple questions about that "power pack" version of the muffler:

(1) Is it available separately?

(2) If I can't get the kit now (no $$$, don'cha know) but have the regular Prodrive muffler (with oval tip), are there any upgrade options? Is the "oval" muffler even suitable for this application?

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Old 02-13-2003, 05:41 PM   #9
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The muffler is not available alone, no.

The regular muffler is not the same and not suitable for the PowerPack.

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Old 02-13-2003, 05:44 PM   #10
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The muffler is not available alone, no.

The regular muffler is not the same and not suitable for the PowerPack.

Ryan
damn... you are going to manage to get all my money... again.

Paul

ps: sorry haven't written in a while, but thanks for sending the cap and the tensioner bolt.

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Old 02-13-2003, 05:47 PM   #11
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ps: sorry haven't written in a while, but thanks for sending the cap and the tensioner bolt.

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Old 02-13-2003, 06:50 PM   #12
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The muffler is not available alone, no.

The regular muffler is not the same and not suitable for the PowerPack.

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hey, but in this thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...t=prodrive+ecu

you say it *is* available separately! I'm so confused!!



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Old 02-13-2003, 06:52 PM   #13
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hey, but in this thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...t=prodrive+ecu

you say it *is* available separately! I'm so confused!!



- C
I meant the full exhaust will be available seperately. Not the rear section only. Sorry for the confusion.
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thanks Ryan, that clears things up nicely is the full exhaust 2.5" or 3"?

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thanks Ryan, that clears things up nicely is the full exhaust 2.5" or 3"?

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2.5" exhuast.
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Old 02-13-2003, 07:33 PM   #16
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Looks like there will be a flood of WR Sport Mufflers hitting the used classifieds in a few months.

Any policy made by SOA or at the least Irvine Subaru about warranty work with these products if installed at Irvine?
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Any policy made by SOA or at the least Irvine Subaru about warranty work with these products if installed at Irvine?
No.
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Dont think I could part with my wrsport prodrive muffler unless its shown to flow horrible....it sounds so nice.
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Old 02-13-2003, 08:10 PM   #19
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Dont think I could part with my wrsport prodrive muffler unless its shown to flow horrible....it sounds so nice.
Flow horrible? No. However, it wasn't designed for power, but for sound quality.

The exhaust with the PowerPack utilizes the round tip, unique to the PP.
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Old 02-13-2003, 08:26 PM   #20
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So how does it sound?

How does it compare to some other systems out there right now? Or is it just a louder wrsport sound?

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Old 02-13-2003, 08:41 PM   #21
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Looks like there will be a flood of WR Sport Mufflers hitting the used classifieds in a few months.

Any policy made by SOA or at the least Irvine Subaru about warranty work with these products if installed at Irvine?
haha, now I'm caught in a dilemma: buy it now like I planned before I saw this thread, or wait and buy a used one

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It's not all that much louder. It does sound just as good as the WRSport muffler though.


I don't know that there will be a flood of used mufflers, but I'm sure there will be some.

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Great, I just ordered my Prodrive Muffler today. Now what?
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I think it was mentioned and I'm sure you'd post them if you had them, but dyno plots with horsepower AND torque would be lovely. I know it's all 'circa' depending on your car and fuel, but I'd like to see how the power curve changes (hopefully broadens)with each of the kits. I like that we're getting some choices with these ECUTEK packages, but thus far Vishnu is the only vendor with totally complete and current, easily accessible (nice page on the web) information regarding what their stages can do.

I know this is all brand new and I can try to be patient, but we're all quite anxious to get complete information so we may make an informed decision.

Thanks,

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Great, I just ordered my Prodrive Muffler today. Now what?
sell it to me, reeeeaal cheap! (it's worthless now anyway )

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