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Old 05-30-2003, 08:24 PM   #1
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Unhappy Possible Dilemma Regarding Warranty (long)...

My car got hit with an egg while I was driving through Bellingham last week. When I backed up to see if I could see them, I didn't think I did anything wrong, but I must have dumped the clutch.

I went to my mechanic and we're 99% sure I chipped a gear. Call me what you want, but I realize I made a mistake. I just went to the transmission shop next door to get an estimate because I am ready to take full responsibility!!

Anyway, I was guesstimated $1000 for worst-case scenario. I'm just mad at myself for dumping the clutch. I feel like such a gomer!! Anyway, my mechanic said he understood why I feel stupid, but he also said "I don't know why they'd put a tranny in this thing that can't handle stock horsepower." That got me thinking...

I remember that kid that blew up his motor being a dumbass and tried to get it covered under warranty after removing his mods and all that and I don't want to be like him!! I have a CAI and a cat-back.

I most likely will at least talk to SOA about this and tell them what happened (THE WHOLE TRUTH) just so they know that this can happen. I've also read that people have broken first gear by dumping the clutch at high revs...

So what do you think I should do? Should I ask SOA if they will cover the repairs? Or should I just bite the bullet and get it repaired out of my own broke-ass pocket? I'm moving back home for a couple months to save some money, so this will just keep me there longer. I AM ready to pay for this out-of-pocket and be responsible for my actions!! I'm just curious what everyone else thinks.

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Old 05-30-2003, 08:24 PM   #2
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And before any flaming happens, let me emphasize a couple of things again...

- I am ready to pay out of pocket

- I will tell SOA the whole truth

- I realize this is nobody's fault but my own


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Old 05-30-2003, 08:30 PM   #3
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Sounds like you're going to do the right thing. Tell them what happened, see if they'll still cover you, though it sounds like they should. Don't see anything terribly wrong with what you did, and your mods shouldn't affect anything tranny-wise. If they say no, bite the bullet and pay for it yourself. Doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. <Shrug>

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Old 05-30-2003, 08:30 PM   #4
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As long as you dont de-mod it or attempt to defraud subaru and are completely truthful with them (soa) then it cant hurt to ask if they will at least help you with the expense.

Also it helps to mention that you are considering purchasing a new subaru.


P.S is this trans shop familiar with subaru's?

$1000 he will be in for a big surprise when he gets in there and finds the actual cost to be closer to $2200,(gee i dont quote many transmissions do I?)
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:35 PM   #5
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As long as you dont de-mod it or attempt to defraud subaru and are completely truthful with them (soa) then it cant hurt to ask if they will at least help you with the expense.

Also it helps to mention that you are considering purchasing a new subaru.


P.S is this trans shop familiar with subaru's?

$1000 he will be in for a big surprise when he gets in there and finds the actual cost to be closer to $2200,(gee i dont quote many transmissions do I?)
I will not attempt to de-mod and de-fraud!! I want to be totally legitimate with my claim so as not to screw over the people that have real warranty claims.

Actually, of course I'm considering a new Subaru... STi - hello?!

The trans shop is probably the best in the area.

What does your last statement mean?
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:37 PM   #6
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What kind of car do you drive, WRX or RS,(or other)

That last statement means that if you chipped a gear (or two,three whatever) he's looking at $750 in labour alone minimum,plus parts.Doubt he will get gears synchros,etc....for $250.

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Old 05-30-2003, 08:40 PM   #7
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That last statement means that if you chipped a gear (or two,three whatever) he's looking at $750 in labour alone minimum,plus parts.Doubt he will get gears synchros,etc....for $250.
It's a WRX. And as far as his estimate went, it was just a guesstimate, but my mechanic figured it just chipped the reverse gear. The only thing the car is doing different than before last Saturday is making noise in reverse. So the guy at the tranny shop figured it wouldn't be too bad. Thanks for the replies, BTW!!
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:43 PM   #8
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Just make sure he removes the retainer pin from the trans snout before he tries to pry the transmission out or ya might be buying a case too.....

Happens all the time.


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Old 05-30-2003, 08:44 PM   #9
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Thanks, Ben... and Grant!
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:56 PM   #10
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I'm gonna call all the dealers in your area and tell them about this thread!

j/k dude. Since you're being straight up about what happened, I say good luck to you getting it paid for by Subaru...

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Old 05-30-2003, 09:19 PM   #11
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I'm gonna call all the dealers in your area and tell them about this thread!

j/k dude. Since you're being straight up about what happened, I say good luck to you getting it paid for by Subaru...

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Old 05-30-2003, 11:26 PM   #12
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Good luck. They may shoot u down, but hopefully they will eat the labor or the parts. I doubt they will cover both.
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Old 05-31-2003, 03:33 AM   #13
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Yeah, I'm not really expecting too much, although I kinda' got my hopes up now...

But whatever the outcome, thanks for all of your responses!!
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Old 05-31-2003, 04:02 AM   #14
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I had my 5th gear synchros wear off once. Went in to the dealership, did not de-mod my car, was honest with them that I have raced the car before (they already knew anyways, they had "heard stories about the white wagon at the dragstrip" ) and they were fine with fixing it under warranty. Not only that, once they had the tranny apart, they said 1st gear was cracked so they replaced it too, and found a leak in the radiator and fixed it also, all under warranty.

If anyone wants to purchase a Subaru in the Fayetteville, AR area, I highly recommend Adventure Subaru.
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Old 05-31-2003, 01:02 PM   #15
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Well, I'll give it a shot, at least. It's worth a try. Anybody know how I can contact SOA?
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Old 05-31-2003, 01:19 PM   #17
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I would go through the service advisor when you try to get it fixed; you're being honest and saying, "hey, pass this up the chain, this doesn't seem right."
If they fix it, you're saying it as a "thanks, I appreciate it, pass it on up the line so the problem gets fixed"
If they won't fix it, you're still doing the right thing by infroming them (though with the WRX gearboxes, I think they already know....)

Find out, in your area, where the mod-friendly dealers are; the stuff you've got is pretty minor, and a decent dealer will let it slide, but if you take it to an anal one, they'll write it up in the system as the cause, and there'll be nothing you can do to change that, even if it's not true.....
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Old 05-31-2003, 11:09 PM   #19
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So let me get this straight.
you DUMPED THE CLUTCH in an AWD car IN REVERSE and your mechanic is suprised it broke something?


Your mechanic is an idiot. FInd another mechanic.(I am serious)


Dumping the clutch in an AWD car, even in a forward gear creates INCREDIBLE drivetrain stress. You have too much traction for it to overcome, so it goes into the gears.


ALSO

It cant handle stock horsepower? thats funny because there are a TON of WRX's running around making WELL over 100 more HP than stock , and magically they are not having tranny problems. Even though these cars are seeing MUCH drag racing duty with aftermarket clutches, they just arent breaking the trannys.


As I said in my other thread, which suprisingly enough, most agreed with me.
The gears arent weak, you cant drive. Your modifications are irrelevant, you dumped the clutch, you openly admit that your driving broke it. The flaw isnt with the transmission, it was with what you did. What are you going to ask them to pass up the food chaini?
"Hey you guys might want to know that if someone does somthing really boneheaded in one of these, it might break something."

Yeah thats a shocker

And BTW in 99% of cases, 5th gear syncro problems are cause by resting your hand on the shifter while cruising in 5th gear.

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And BTW in 99% of cases, 5th gear syncro problems are cause by resting your hand on the shifter while cruising in 5th gear.
That's what they told me. Never heard that before, well now I know.
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Old 06-02-2003, 04:21 AM   #21
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So let me get this straight.
you DUMPED THE CLUTCH in an AWD car IN REVERSE and your mechanic is suprised it broke something?


Your mechanic is an idiot. FInd another mechanic.(I am serious)


Dumping the clutch in an AWD car, even in a forward gear creates INCREDIBLE drivetrain stress. You have too much traction for it to overcome, so it goes into the gears.


ALSO

It cant handle stock horsepower? thats funny because there are a TON of WRX's running around making WELL over 100 more HP than stock , and magically they are not having tranny problems. Even though these cars are seeing MUCH drag racing duty with aftermarket clutches, they just arent breaking the trannys.


As I said in my other thread, which suprisingly enough, most agreed with me.
The gears arent weak, you cant drive. Your modifications are irrelevant, you dumped the clutch, you openly admit that your driving broke it. The flaw isnt with the transmission, it was with what you did. What are you going to ask them to pass up the food chaini?
"Hey you guys might want to know that if someone does somthing really boneheaded in one of these, it might break something."

Yeah thats a shocker

And BTW in 99% of cases, 5th gear syncro problems are cause by resting your hand on the shifter while cruising in 5th gear.
Well that was really fun to read. No seriously. I came on here and was honest and truthful about a mistake I made and asked for advice on whether or not I should bother with attempting to have the car repaired under warranty. I didn't ask for a bunch of crap about everything else.

YES I MADE A MISTAKE. YES I'M READY TO PAY FOR IT. I thought I made that abundantly clear SEVERAL TIMES, you didn't need to be an ass about it. Call me whatever you want, but I don't see how I deserve to be treated the way you treated me. I didn't just run out and make an illegitimate warranty claim so the people with real ones would get denied, instead I came here first. Gee, I'm sorry.

BTW, my mechanic isn't surprised I broke something, he just said "I don't know why they would put a tranny in here that couldn't handle stock horsepower" and it made me wonder. I am very mechanically uninclined (retarded) and feel lucky to have a place where I don't feel embarassed to ask dumb questions. I've gotten really good information from the members.

Thanks to everybody for the help, and thanks to Davenow for being a total prick and making an honest guy feel like it's wrong to tell the truth and ask questions. You should feel really good about yourself, asshat.
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I hope you don't bristle at EVERY opinionated person that you run across on these forums. That's the beauty of the intarweb, anonymous verbal abuse Just learn to be thicker skinned about it and you'll be fine. Not everyone considers what they are typing before they press "submit", if I can't say it to a person's face, I won't feel comfortable typing it out. Learn to turn the other cheek.
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I hope you don't bristle at EVERY opinionated person that you run across on these forums. That's the beauty of the intarweb, anonymous verbal abuse Just learn to be thicker skinned about it and you'll be fine. Not everyone considers what they are typing before they press "submit", if I can't say it to a person's face, I won't feel comfortable typing it out. Learn to turn the other cheek.
I think I take a lot of crap without saying anything on here, but that one struck a nerve. I had a really bad night last night and reading that just pissed me off further. I love the intarweb, it's all fun. I try to think before I post, but it doesn't always work that way. I still think Davenow's bashing was totally inappropriate, but maybe that's just me. Thanks anyways.
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Old 06-02-2003, 01:06 PM   #24
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If its in OT, then expect some kind of razzing from someone. No harm, no foul. Good luck with your tranny and let us know the outcome.
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Old 06-02-2003, 02:27 PM   #25
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It cant handle stock horsepower? thats funny because there are a TON of WRX's running around making WELL over 100 more HP than stock , and magically they are not having tranny problems. Even though these cars are seeing MUCH drag racing duty with aftermarket clutches, they just arent breaking the trannys.


mine was only making 50hp over stock, never dragged, never autoXed and never roadraced, no clutch dumps whatsoever, yet 3 weeks ago my transmission almost literally blew apart, while IN 3rd gear, and it took the rest of the gears with it.

Quote:
The gears arent weak, you cant drive.


im not sure if you were implying that ALL cases of broken trannies were caused by abuse, but id beg to differ, even when my WRX has never seen track time, i used to do track days and autoX in my last car, and have taken various racing schools, so i know how to drive a car fast while being gentle to the transmission and still my tranny blew up

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And BTW in 99% of cases, 5th gear syncro problems are cause by resting your hand on the shifter while cruising in 5th gear.
this may be true, as i never rest my hand on the shifter, and NEVER had ANY type of issues with grinding or rough shifting, until the day my tranny blew....

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