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Old 05-30-2003, 10:26 AM   #1
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Ok here's my situation. I need to do some work on my engine and it's going to run me about a grand (96k service + oil leak). My car is the dreaded DOHC w/128k.

I have the opporunity to pick up a Ver7 (w/14k) Engine is complete with harness, ECU,subframe, turbo,intercooler, up-pipe, down-pipe,manifolds, etc..everything for a swap and I'm estimating a total cost of about $12,000CDN (hoping).

I have the grand saved up already for the repairs, another grand leftover from tax return, figure I could get about a grand for my NA mods (headers/catback/CAI/pullies/plugs), maybe even sell my coilovers (1500?)

The reason why I'm thinking about this is cuz 1) future plan anyway 2) why dump a grand if I'm going to do a swap anyway 3) current engine already has 128k 4) it's a 165hp DOHC in a 3 ton+ AWD car (slow) 5) I always liked that ppssssshhhhhh sound.

Reasons holding me back 1)$$$$$ 2) reliability

So that's $4500 I have. I'm not in desperate need to do the swap now, although I can't go on the highway cuz of the leak and car starts smoking.

Also, what elese would I NEED (MUST) upgrade? Exhaust? Brakes? Suspensions?

Should I:

1) Screw it, go into debt and drop that puppy in there one time.

2) Sell my NA mods / coilovers / rims, buy the engine and save up for install and drive a stock smoking car until than (6mths - 1yr)

3) Stop dreaming and just get the car running good and spend your $$$ on better things

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Old 05-30-2003, 10:56 AM   #2
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Just found out engine is $6500CDn w/16k(negotiable), need new intercooler ($1000), crossmember, rad? (would I need a new one?), exhaust?, labor $2000CDN, any tranny work? (4EAT). Is that a good price? So I'm thinking it's going to be more like 10-11 grand. Input please

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Old 05-30-2003, 11:28 AM   #3
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Eric, I went throught the same dilemma last December.. I had same problem.. minor oil leak (but no smoke) and 96K service. Obviously, I did the 96K service instead of swap.

Why I did that.. money was real real tight at that time... I didn't contribute a penny to my retirement saving plan! Turbo power is very nice but sometimes... I think.. so what! You still get stuck in hwy anyway... I am chicken to go fast on hwy even if the traffic is clear.. because I can't afford speeding tickets and then insurance hikes.. also I don't think I can handle turbo power on autox.. I have to master my NA car on autox first (the top spot left behind by JoeT) !

If I were you, NA mods has to go first no matter what... how much hp did you gain? is that really noticeable on the street? And then it is your choice of how comfortable with extra loan repayment.. if that's nothing to you.. go ahead and do the swap! Definately get the JDM STI engine.. I don't mind to get older engine like Ver3, 4, 5. as long as they are in good shape.. those STI engine are built for you to abuse! 280hp (on japan high octane gas) to start.. and then a BOV and STI badge and I will be very happy.. even with stock used uppipe and downpipe.. USDM 227hp WRX engine is fine but you need to put some money for upgrade to get 280hp.... exhaust and ECU tune.

For STI engine swap.. you probably want to upgrade clutch and new 2.5" or 3" exhaust, fuel pump.. Stock brake should be good unless you go to track.. ask Cajual if his brake is adequate on the steet. For suspension and wheel, if you can get them at good price in the future.. you might want to sell them to take a smaller loan for the swap.

Just my 2cents...
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Old 05-30-2003, 11:43 AM   #4
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Hey Eclone,

If you are going to swap route. Make sure you get the engine and tranny at the same time. Because your generation of Legacy will not work perfectly with any type of Fi swap.

The TCU will not talk properly to the ECU. But if you're happy with that, then it's a non issue.

What type of engine are you getting for 6500 bucks? Does it come with the ECU and Harness?
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Old 05-30-2003, 11:51 AM   #5
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didn't know you have 4EAT.. listen to what JoeT says then and talk to Cajual how he like his 4EAT in his car.
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Old 05-30-2003, 03:10 PM   #6
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So do you guys think my tranny will hold you? Also will the Ver7 bolt up to my tranny like Chris'?

I just found out it comes with the IC too...so that's a grand less to spend.

Joe/Ernest - this is coming from TStoWRX. He told me he swapped it and drove for 2000km but blew his tranny and swapped it back out. Anyone heard any different? Anyone know the story behind this Ver7?

If I do get this, it'll probably just sit around for 6mths - 1yr
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Old 05-30-2003, 03:34 PM   #7
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The problem is, the Automatic tranny in the Legacy does not work properly with the STI ECU.

Everything bolts up properly.. Talk to Cajual and TStoWRX, I advised both of them and did lots to try to resolve the TCU (Tranmission control unit) to ECU (Engine Control Unit) issues.

If you are happy with how Cajual's tranny works with the engine, then it's a no brainer. As to how well it will last with the extra power, your guess is as good as mine.
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Old 05-30-2003, 03:46 PM   #8
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Hey Eric...

I got your PM. I'll give you a call and we'll hook up sometime next week, but here's some info for you to mull over...

As Joe said, the TCU will not talk with the ECU so although it will bolt right up, it's not a perfect match. If I leave it in drive, 1st to 2nd is very jerky, unless I floor it. The way I drive it now, is I start it in 2nd and shift it manually between 3500-4000 rpm and it's smooth. If I need to get quick off the line, I start it in 1st and shift it manually (5000-6000 rpm if I want to spank the guy beside me ). Now, the tranny seems fine and it's strong enough to handle the power, but I think my rear diff may be going.

If I could do it all over again, I probably would have got the tranny. At the time, I didn't have the money to do the transmission conversion on top of the swap. You'll have to source all the parts required to do the auto to manual swap, which is a pain in the a$$.

These are the basic items you'll need for just the engine swap:

engine w/turbo, intercooler, air box, etc...
wiring harness
ecu
crossmember
all the plumbing (exhaust manifold, uppipe, downpipe)
new exhaust (2.5" to 3" piping)
fuel pump
radiator (or mod your old one)
rad hoses
power steering resevoir
boost controller
miscellaneous parts (oil, check valves, clamps, etc...)

Plus... you can be like me...

and get STi engine mounts... and get your ECU tuned... and get an Electronic Boost Controller... and get an aftermarket fuel pump... and get an aftermarket uppipe...

Brake wise, my stock brakes are fine for street driving (I will be upgrading pads and rotors for my next brake job or if I might find a set of used WRX brakes). Suspension wise, I couldn't really tell you how it rides on stock height because I upgraded my suspension right after my engine swap (v5 struts, eibach springs and I already had my Strut Bar and Adj. Rear Sway Bar).
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Old 05-30-2003, 03:56 PM   #9
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anyone know if the six speed could be made to fit in a BD/BG?
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Old 05-30-2003, 04:01 PM   #10
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anyone know if the six speed could be made to fit in a BD/BG?
Not sure, but if I had the money right now, that's the tranny I would be putting in my car. More realistically, I will be going with a 2.5RS or 2.5GT or WRX tranny... whatever I can get my hands on at a good price. Now if I can just souce the pedal assembly
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Old 05-30-2003, 04:03 PM   #11
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monovich - yup it will swap over there's more space in our Legacys then the GC which there have been several guys who've done this swap.

If I didn't have a billet syncro gearset here in the spare tranny all cryo'd, then I would've gone this route but w/ the Euro STi 6spd.
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Old 05-31-2003, 11:46 PM   #12
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eclone, you wouldn't happen to need an extra 4EAT to build up without giving up use of the car would you?
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