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Old 06-02-2003, 03:55 PM   #1
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Old 06-02-2003, 04:10 PM   #2
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Old 06-02-2003, 04:19 PM   #3
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Pretty good article there. Very long though.
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Old 06-02-2003, 04:20 PM   #4
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excellent-

Seems the STi must be driven a bit differently then people are use to. A few reviewers have said it needs to be kinda "man-handled". These guys seemed to trust it more over time and got better times (then the EVO) after driving it awhile. Veddy interesting!

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Old 06-02-2003, 04:37 PM   #5
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I actually did get the vibe from that article that if they had to rate the cars, they would have rated the STI 1st, and frankly probably the Evo second.

I think that given that its a VW site they couldn't quite bring themselves to put it that bluntly, which is understandable.

.99 G on the skidpad! Must be made of sticky tar.
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Old 06-02-2003, 04:45 PM   #6
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Old 06-02-2003, 05:10 PM   #7
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" The R32's stock suspension (remarkably we might add) actually had the most neutral setup allowing the driver to balance the car on throttle more easily than the other two. That said the drive-by-wire throttle common in the German cars is not as easy to modulate as the traditional cable shifters in the Evo and STi. So a number of drivers had a hard time modulating the throttle in the R32 which made things a bit more jumpy on the skid pad where there R32 was sensitive to throttle input."





Ummmmm, WRONG!
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Old 06-02-2003, 06:11 PM   #8
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two. That said the drive-by-wire throttle common in the German cars is not as easy to modulate as the traditional cable shifters in the Evo and STi."

Ummmmm, WRONG!
It is a testament to how good the STi's ETC is.

Also, I'm guessing this was a very short, twisty course, as the R32 came in behind the std UK WRX in EVO's track test.

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Old 06-02-2003, 06:25 PM   #9
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It is a testament to how good the STi's ETC is.

Also, I'm guessing this was a very short, twisty course, as the R32 came in behind the std UK WRX in EVO's track test.

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I read that as well. I also read SCC's test of the R32 and I think it's more of a refined alternative to the Evo and STI than a compettitor. I mean performancewise it's not close.

This review also suggests that the STI is more than capable of keeping up with the Evo through the twisties, even if most reviewers don't find it to be quite as perfectly suited to the task as the go-kart Evo. I wish they would have supplied numbers for their slalom test though.
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Old 06-02-2003, 06:37 PM   #10
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Old 06-02-2003, 06:42 PM   #11
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It is a testament to how good the STi's ETC is.

Also, I'm guessing this was a very short, twisty course, as the R32 came in behind the std UK WRX in EVO's track test.

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Yup, i posted what you just said but in different words on VWVortex to let the writers of that article know that the STi does indeed have a DBW throttle.
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Old 06-02-2003, 07:56 PM   #12
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If I had 30k, was in the market for another car, and already had my STi, I would give that R32 a close look for a more comfortable daily driver. I love the chrome tipped dual exhaust.
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Old 06-02-2003, 07:57 PM   #13
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I thought the reviews were pretty good. It's awesome to hear the R32 is coming to the United States.

I actually also love the fact that a group of testers did timed laps around a track.

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Old 06-02-2003, 08:30 PM   #14
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Subdriven also has a similar comparo which was done by a different writer.

http://www.subdriven.com/features/st...ue_heaven.html
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Old 06-02-2003, 10:26 PM   #15
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" The R32's stock suspension (remarkably we might add) actually had the most neutral setup allowing the driver to balance the car on throttle more easily than the other two. That said the drive-by-wire throttle common in the German cars is not as easy to modulate as the traditional cable shifters in the Evo and STi. So a number of drivers had a hard time modulating the throttle in the R32 which made things a bit more jumpy on the skid pad where there R32 was sensitive to throttle input."





Ummmmm, WRONG!
I guess that is what happens when you got fairly regular guys that dont do comparisons as a living actually do one. I know that they tried to get this out quick and there are quite a few misprints and errors in it, however, when your real job is something else, I think they did a pretty good job.

Btw, the test track is fairly small and tight, that is why the VW could keep up better, had it been something where the cars could really strecth out their legs, the VW would have been a little further behind.

However on the other hand the VW did have normal street tires on it while both the other cars do have close to R rubber on them which on most race cars are good for around 4 seconds a lap on most courses. But in the end the power of the VW is less and on a track where you can use all the hp the cars have it would have been slower.

I think though the real comparison was in the handling differences, its obvious even from the pics that the VW handles very well and has very little body roll.

But in the end the EVO and STi both spank the VW in outright performance since that is what they are designed for, the VW is designed for a little more refined performance while not being on the edge.

I thought it was done very well though and both sites held their biases back pretty well just giving the facts of how the cars performed.
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Old 06-03-2003, 01:21 AM   #16
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" The R32's stock suspension (remarkably we might add) actually had the most neutral setup allowing the driver to balance the car on throttle more easily than the other two. That said the drive-by-wire throttle common in the German cars is not as easy to modulate as the traditional cable shifters in the Evo and STi. So a number of drivers had a hard time modulating the throttle in the R32 which made things a bit more jumpy on the skid pad where there R32 was sensitive to throttle input."





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"That said the drive-by-wire throttle common in the German cars is not as easy to modulate as the traditional cable throttles in the Evo or the drive-by-wire throttle in the STi. "


Just read the article.....either you quoted them wrong or whoever wrote this article realized your superior grammar and changed theirs in a hurry. I'll believe the latter :0)
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Old 06-03-2003, 09:33 AM   #17
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Subdriven also has a similar comparo which was done by a different writer.

http://www.subdriven.com/features/st...ue_heaven.html
They stole all the pics from the VWvortex article? Are you sure they even tested these cars or are just using the same info they got from mags and other reviews?
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Old 06-03-2003, 09:40 AM   #18
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They stole all the pics from the VWvortex article? Are you sure they even tested these cars or are just using the same info they got from mags and other reviews?
It was a joint review having staffers from both sites driving and doing the review. All the pictures were shared and some of the article was shared. Both sites articles are a little bit different as well. So yes, writers from both sites were there and tested the cars back to back. I should know since I wrote the subdriven article.
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Old 06-03-2003, 09:43 AM   #19
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edit....
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They stole all the pics from the VWvortex article? Are you sure they even tested these cars or are just using the same info they got from mags and other reviews?
The Subdriven guys drove the same cars on the test track. I'm guessing they all reviewed these three cars as a group outing.
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Old 06-03-2003, 09:51 AM   #21
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on Vortex it states that test was done by them, tire rack (they supplied the track, why could they not level the field and supply tires - track for Golf - for track testing and street tires to Evo and STi for street test; it would have been interesting test if all cars wore the same tires - at least the model) and Vortex's sister publication - Subdriven.

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Old 06-03-2003, 10:09 AM   #22
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The R32 is a nice car. It will be interesting to see what happens when they bring the Audi A3 over. The A3 should be a 5 door and may have available DSG. That'd be a neat car to test drive too.
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on Vortex it states that test was done by them, tire rack (they supplied the track, why could they not level the field and supply tires - track for Golf - for track testing and street tires to Evo and STi for street test; it would have been interesting test if all cars wore the same tires - at least the model) and Vortex's sister publication - Subdriven.

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Bear in mind that the RS has 18"ers and the STI and Evo use 17"ers. So I don't know that you could ever really level the playing field.

My opinion is that the manufacturer has some responsibility to put the best tires for the car.....on the car. Rather than asking testers to second guess them.
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Old 06-03-2003, 11:04 AM   #24
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I thought the reviews were pretty good. It's awesome to hear the R32 is coming to the United States.

I actually also love the fact that a group of testers did timed laps around a track.

-Sam
Regardless of the R32's power deficit vs. the Evo & STi, you can't beat the sound of a VR6 with a good exhaust (unless you have a good V8 engine) The 12v and 24v motors sound sweet... I imagine the 3.2L note sounds even better. Some days, that's all I need.

Gotta save $90,000 so I can buy all three cars. lol
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My opinion is that the manufacturer has some responsibility to put the best tires for the car.....on the car. Rather than asking testers to second guess them.
I dont think they were second guessing them, they were just saying that the EVO and STi had basically "R" rubber on them and would wear out very fast. As a matter of fact the EVO has a sticker on the drivers door warning you that the tires will wear out very quickly.

So they were just pointing out its a choice the manufacturers made. VW has gone through this once when they used very sticky tires and they wore very quickly and had an army of buyers beating down their door wanting refunds and new tires, I'm sure they dont want to go through that again.

Subie and Mitsu probably wont have this problem because the cars are so much more specialized, however, there still will be some disappointed people when they are replacing $800 or more worth of tires after only 10,000 miles.
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