Rant: I hate re-doing someone else's "work"...

8Complex · 06-10-2003, 06:32 PM

And I know I'm not the only one... fixing screw-ups from other people.

I just spent the last 4 hours of my time ripping the up-turbo-down combination out of a car, getting soaked by oil (damned drain is lower then the oil level &#$&^#%), only to destroy a friggen EGT sensor as I was trying to remove it so that it can be relocated. Why? Because the shop that had the car decided that it needed to be welded into the downpipe! As if the genius though putting it 6 FEET from the heads was a good idea!

Not to mention that I'm still in the middle of re-composing an entire fuel system, including dropping a second pump into the tank, running lines all the way up front, and figuring out how to get them through the damned firewall. Then I have to rewire things to provide enough power to both pumps... ARGHH!!! (hint)

A big :monkey: to all the half-assed tuners out there.

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Turbo GC4 · 06-10-2003, 07:07 PM

I know how you feel. I spent a couple hours sanding and filling the pits in my replica hood vents from Primative racing. In addition I had to oval out the holes to make them fit.

Oh well, I cna understand, I guess its why they dont cost as much as the real thing. Paul's service is great though, I appreciate his honesty and whatnot. He told me upfront i might have to do some oval-ing.

N/A · 06-10-2003, 07:29 PM

I've had to get my Borla header repaired after it cracked, I touched up all of the welds, ported out the extra material that they left in the piping where they welded it to the flanges, added small tabs where the piping and flanges meet. Not to mention the holes not lining up to begin with when I first put it on.

Of course when I finally get the car completely repainted cause the stock paint is crap, that will be when I have officially had enough of fixing somebodys crap work.

Shinji N · 06-10-2003, 07:50 PM

That's why I learned a long long time ago that if you want it done right, do it yourself. If you can't do it yourself, watch them do it.

Graham · 06-10-2003, 11:19 PM

I second that...

BTW, whose car is that? Looks nice.

Graham

Sunrise City Rider · 06-10-2003, 11:35 PM

You can get thru the firewall by the clutch pedal...

Or if you have to, behind the ECU cover by the blower drain hose...

Zee

wac · 06-10-2003, 11:36 PM

Quote:

... ARGHH!!! (hint)

Do you think those fuel rails and lines are big enough? Looks like hydraulic hose on an excavator!

Don't the injectors need a little bracing help holding up the fuel lines? That's quite a cantilever on the injectors...

Charge · 06-11-2003, 01:29 AM

Is that the old black car? I was wondering if we were ever going to see that thing running.

If it is...it's another mark against that tuner.

Neil

HndaTch627 · 06-11-2003, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Charge
Is that the old black car? I was wondering if we were ever going to see that thing running.

If it is...it's another mark against that tuner.

Neil

yes that's the beast and it runs(well till 3psi currently)

i think 8complex and i will be ont he same page as i just took on a "project" of sorts. i think between all of the midwest guys we have had more bad luck then anything.

jeremy

8Complex · 06-11-2003, 03:33 AM

Graham - An old-schooler... goes by ralyrcr on the board when he's around. The car has been through the hands of several bad tuners/shops, and I get to clean it all up! (yay!)

Sunrise City Rider - I was thinking that, but I think I may either drill a few holes up above the gas pedal (I've got two -6an lines to run through there) or running them somewhere up high behind the dash on the driver's side and coming out in/near the cowl intake area. Either way, I know I'm going to be in pain with the cage in the car. :-/

wac - The rail is stock from AZ Speed & Marine (about 9/16" ID) and the AN line is all -6. I believe those injectors are sandwiched in there well enough to have a monkey hang on them.

Those lines really aren't that heavy, so I don't have too much in the way of worries there.

Charge - Yup, the one and only. And yes, I have a book worth of marks against that original tuner. *shrug*

HndaTch627 - Well, 5psi, same difference, though. Good luck with your project as well... I think yours is a bit cleaner then mine though.

When I get the chance and hopefully the car is back up to it's near-100% level, I'll ask the owner if I can post a few more pics of it... it's a helluva project, and it's going to go like a bat out of hell with a backwind.

8Complex · 06-11-2003, 03:38 AM

And just for the record... here is a shot of the two pumps together on the assembly. Most probably the first time it's been done... mainly done this way because of the budget, though it'll be easy to upgrade it all in the future.

Jaxx · 06-11-2003, 11:48 AM

sooo.. does it fit in the tank????

8Complex · 06-11-2003, 01:26 PM

It'll fit in the tank, but I'll have to remove the sender unit and then reassemble it once the pumps are through... if the float wasn't so far off to the side, it wouldn't be any trouble at all. I'm going to drop it in today, so I'll upload another pic as soon as I get it in there.

stimpy · 06-11-2003, 04:07 PM

That looks really fun 8.

Interesting injector setup.

-Jon

Sunrise City Rider · 06-11-2003, 05:46 PM

Bro, pull the dash out and you'll have a much easier time routing lines and wires into the engine bay...Its not hard to pull it out...

Nice work on the pumps...Do they share inlets at the top? Very nice indeed...Whats this car's setup like?

Zee

8Complex · 06-11-2003, 10:19 PM

stimpy - Oh yeah, most definitely. I can't wait to play with my own car... screw secondaries, it's all going to be big-ass primaries! I don't care if it idles at 1500rpm, damnit!

Quote:

Originally posted by Sunrise City Rider
Bro, pull the dash out and you'll have a much easier time routing lines and wires into the engine bay...Its not hard to pull it out...

Nice work on the pumps...Do they share inlets at the top? Very nice indeed...Whats this car's setup like?

Unfortunately I thought about that one and there is no chance in hell of doing it... the cage is so in the way that it's not even funny. I can't even get the lower section off the dash to get to the wiring.

I ended up finding a spot to run them today that is pretty unintrusive and worked out very well - pic1 pic2 - oddly enough, you can barely even tell they're under your feet and they don't get in the way at all. From there it's a simple run up the firewall to the spots they're needed and viola!

The pumps have seperate inlets (there are two filters kinda spooning each other) and there are two feeds and two returns. The only thing I omitted from the secondary system was the syphon for the tank to pull fuel from the driver's side to the pass. side (damned saddle tank).

Oh, and BTW, the pump assembly dropped right in with no problems, I didn't even have to remove the fuel level sender. I raised it all the way to the top and then when the assembly was in deep enough, I just popped it over to the side and *plunk* right into the fuel below.

Sunrise City Rider · 06-12-2003, 12:17 AM

So you used the Tranny tunnel...thats a good spot...Didn't even think of that...I thinK I'll follow you and run my lines thru there as well...

Zee

06-10-2003, 06:32 PM	#1
8Complex Moderator Member#: 922 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Schaumburg, IL Vehicle: 04 FXT Red	Rant: I hate re-doing someone else's "work"... And I know I'm not the only one... fixing screw-ups from other people. I just spent the last 4 hours of my time ripping the up-turbo-down combination out of a car, getting soaked by oil (damned drain is lower then the oil level &#$&^#%), only to destroy a friggen EGT sensor as I was trying to remove it so that it can be relocated. Why? Because the shop that had the car decided that it needed to be welded into the downpipe! As if the genius though putting it 6 FEET from the heads was a good idea! Not to mention that I'm still in the middle of re-composing an entire fuel system, including dropping a second pump into the tank, running lines all the way up front, and figuring out how to get them through the damned firewall. Then I have to rewire things to provide enough power to both pumps... ARGHH!!! (hint) A big :monkey: to all the half-assed tuners out there. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by 8Complex; 06-10-2003 at 06:39 PM.

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06-10-2003, 07:07 PM	#2
Turbo GC4 Scooby Newbie Member#: 28555 Join Date: Nov 2002	I know how you feel. I spent a couple hours sanding and filling the pits in my replica hood vents from Primative racing. In addition I had to oval out the holes to make them fit. Oh well, I cna understand, I guess its why they dont cost as much as the real thing. Paul's service is great though, I appreciate his honesty and whatnot. He told me upfront i might have to do some oval-ing.

06-10-2003, 07:29 PM	#3
N/A Scooby Specialist Member#: 133 Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Maryland (not by choice) Vehicle: 2003 Echo-daily car silver	I've had to get my Borla header repaired after it cracked, I touched up all of the welds, ported out the extra material that they left in the piping where they welded it to the flanges, added small tabs where the piping and flanges meet. Not to mention the holes not lining up to begin with when I first put it on. Of course when I finally get the car completely repainted cause the stock paint is crap, that will be when I have officially had enough of fixing somebodys crap work.

06-10-2003, 07:50 PM	#4
Shinji N Scooby Specialist Member#: 3987 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Vehicle: 1999 Miata Black	That's why I learned a long long time ago that if you want it done right, do it yourself. If you can't do it yourself, watch them do it.

06-10-2003, 11:19 PM	#5
Graham Scooby Specialist Member#: 11931 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Winter Park, FL/ SMU @ Dallas, Vehicle: 2001 2.5 RS Turbo 257/FMIC/T3-T04S	I second that... BTW, whose car is that? Looks nice. Graham

06-10-2003, 11:35 PM	#6
Sunrise City Rider Scooby Specialist Member#: 1503 Join Date: May 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Sunrise, FL, USA Vehicle: 2000 Impreza W"RS"X Blue Ridge Pearl	You can get thru the firewall by the clutch pedal... Or if you have to, behind the ECU cover by the blower drain hose... Zee

06-11-2003, 01:29 AM	#8
Charge NASIOC Supporter Member#: 3313 Join Date: Dec 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Cincinnati	Is that the old black car? I was wondering if we were ever going to see that thing running. If it is...it's another mark against that tuner. Neil

06-11-2003, 03:33 AM	#10
8Complex Moderator Member#: 922 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Schaumburg, IL Vehicle: 04 FXT Red	Graham - An old-schooler... goes by ralyrcr on the board when he's around. The car has been through the hands of several bad tuners/shops, and I get to clean it all up! (yay!) Sunrise City Rider - I was thinking that, but I think I may either drill a few holes up above the gas pedal (I've got two -6an lines to run through there) or running them somewhere up high behind the dash on the driver's side and coming out in/near the cowl intake area. Either way, I know I'm going to be in pain with the cage in the car. :-/ wac - The rail is stock from AZ Speed & Marine (about 9/16" ID) and the AN line is all -6. I believe those injectors are sandwiched in there well enough to have a monkey hang on them. Those lines really aren't that heavy, so I don't have too much in the way of worries there. Charge - Yup, the one and only. And yes, I have a book worth of marks against that original tuner. shrug HndaTch627 - Well, 5psi, same difference, though. Good luck with your project as well... I think yours is a bit cleaner then mine though. When I get the chance and hopefully the car is back up to it's near-100% level, I'll ask the owner if I can post a few more pics of it... it's a helluva project, and it's going to go like a bat out of hell with a backwind.

06-11-2003, 03:38 AM	#11
8Complex Moderator Member#: 922 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Schaumburg, IL Vehicle: 04 FXT Red	And just for the record... here is a shot of the two pumps together on the assembly. Most probably the first time it's been done... mainly done this way because of the budget, though it'll be easy to upgrade it all in the future.

06-11-2003, 11:48 AM	#12
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	sooo.. does it fit in the tank????

06-11-2003, 01:26 PM	#13
8Complex Moderator Member#: 922 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Schaumburg, IL Vehicle: 04 FXT Red	It'll fit in the tank, but I'll have to remove the sender unit and then reassemble it once the pumps are through... if the float wasn't so far off to the side, it wouldn't be any trouble at all. I'm going to drop it in today, so I'll upload another pic as soon as I get it in there.

06-11-2003, 04:07 PM	#14
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	That looks really fun 8. Interesting injector setup. -Jon

06-11-2003, 05:46 PM	#15
Sunrise City Rider Scooby Specialist Member#: 1503 Join Date: May 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Sunrise, FL, USA Vehicle: 2000 Impreza W"RS"X Blue Ridge Pearl	Bro, pull the dash out and you'll have a much easier time routing lines and wires into the engine bay...Its not hard to pull it out... Nice work on the pumps...Do they share inlets at the top? Very nice indeed...Whats this car's setup like? Zee

06-12-2003, 12:17 AM	#17
Sunrise City Rider Scooby Specialist Member#: 1503 Join Date: May 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Sunrise, FL, USA Vehicle: 2000 Impreza W"RS"X Blue Ridge Pearl	So you used the Tranny tunnel...thats a good spot...Didn't even think of that...I thinK I'll follow you and run my lines thru there as well... Zee